Weight and dimensions have a major impact on shipping. Not that I think it's indicative of much but the impact to cost is there.
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PlayStation Meeting announced. September 7th 3PM ET (PS4 Neo Reveal)
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Weight and dimensions have a major impact on shipping. Not that I think it's indicative of much but the impact to cost is there.
The stock market is more like a casino game than a pure reflection of what is going on with the companies.
I'm talking about short term movements in price influenced by speculators.
People are expecting already some kind of change in price on Sept 7, so if there is enough interest from investors, they start "playing."
A portion of them bet now that it will go up and some that it will go down.
Whoever is wrong will pay to the ones that were right on that date and by doing that, a lot of shares are sold and purchased on the same day.
In the meantime, others take their money out of the company now and plan to re-purchase the stocks at a lower rate on Sept 7 after it goes up according to them while the rest do the opposite and invest in the companies now planning to sell their stocks at a higher price on Sept 7, according to them as well.
Speculators are just trying to make tons of money in a very short period, selling and buying as much stock as they can, betting against each other, and affecting the price after an event or financial report.
So yea, it's weird.
yup, it won't.
Bitch Pudding
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xenorevlis
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s7/development
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Wait, what? Really?!?!?!
Edit: DAMNIT. As if this year wasn't bad enough. Y u do dis 2016?
videogamephilosopher
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Well said. The Sony Playstation consoles have always provided great value.
I constantly am perplexed why consumers complained at the initial Playstation 3 price.
This ultimately hurt Sony from including better tech with the residual affect
being a higher priced console.
Now that the base level gamer is satisfied Sony can rightfully be more aggressive with the price point. An analogy that anyone with a car can understand is, when you went to the dealership to purchase your car were you upset that you couldn't afford the premium model of your car? probably not. if the extra features didn't fit in your budget you could always drive away in the simple version. ultimately you still have the car you want you won't be as comfortable, stylish or fast as the guy that bought the race version. some people don't want to be the fastest they just want the car.
With the previous generation this analogy would not apply. This generation it does. Sony charge me 499.99+ as long as you provide premium features I am in.
anothertech
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UnforgivenTwin
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Bitch Pudding
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The video gamer in me strongly agrees; the strategy consultant however, not so much.
AltissimaRatio
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for the Players...
comes with a hose and adapter for Hairdryer Action
for the Players...
that looks heavy
OdysseusVA
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From a consumer perspective, its fine to want five hundred and nintey nine US dollars and high end specs, but basic business sense dictates that they avoid such a scenario if they want to sell any NEO's at all, since they learned their lesson from PS3.
Not only that, but it makes no real sense for an iterative upgrade model.
Without a new CPU in there, any overclocking of the GPU will essentially be hamstrung, and there's no real point in upping the RAM or the bandwidth without a major CPU and GPU increase in tandem.
Your essentially asking them to upclock the NEO into oblivion for more heat, diminishing returns on graphical performance(considering the PS4 baseline) and charge you premium for it instead of a decent jump that will depreciate faster and actually lower to a reasonable standard by the time PS5 comes out, which will need to be mass market price.
Not only that, but it makes no real sense for an iterative upgrade model.
Without a new CPU in there, any overclocking of the GPU will essentially be hamstrung, and there's no real point in upping the RAM or the bandwidth without a major CPU and GPU increase in tandem.
Your essentially asking them to upclock the NEO into oblivion for more heat, diminishing returns on graphical performance(considering the PS4 baseline) and charge you premium for it instead of a decent jump that will depreciate faster and actually lower to a reasonable standard by the time PS5 comes out, which will need to be mass market price.
NotSmartEnough
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It's the weight of unrealistic expectations.
Why do people keep harping on the CPU holding back the GPU? It's true that it is a limiting factor for framerate but there's a lot that can be done on the GPU side for fidelity that's independent of the CPU.
Personally I'm not to worried about the specs at this point, I just hope that there's room for notable visual improvements on top of the reconstruction that they're doing. If the current specs are enough for that, then I'll be quite pleased.
AltissimaRatio
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my hopes for a doubled APU are still there, regardless all the logic reasons against it
Weight only matters in air freight and dimensions in ocean... Sony ships by ocean unless they need to ship by air due to time which is expensive (average rate is $2 per kilo)...
vpance
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At the end of the day it's mostly about attracting a new customer base, and keeping existing owners from feeling the urge to jump to PC, and a middling upgrade won't help with either. In this case, it's probably smarter to err on the higher end of options.
People who'd cry out at it being too expensive don't really have other avenues to explore anyways and will still stay in the PS4 ecosystem. Sony got their money already.
The cooling system wouldn't add that much weight though for a bigger node chip. Something just doesn't add up IMO. Guess we will have to wait for the 7th.
shouamabane
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C'mon PS Classics on PS4.
Irishonion
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So does this mean impossible for it to be anything more than the specs leaked months ago?
AltissimaRatio
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it must be the doubled APU - it has to be!
Maybe a good 3.5" 7200RPM HDD with a nice cooling solution.
But I think that the biggest factor is the internal PSU, it must be huge on Neo.
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From alpha to the final dev kit things can vary drastically. In this case, it's likely there won't be any huge changes given the second to last kit is identical to the leaked specs...but we just don't know.
The size and weight of Neo's chassis seems pretty extreme for the current specs, but there might be other factors we don't know about.
Darklor01
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THE:MILKMAN
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Yep. I just can't see Sony handing out dev kits in June/July with specs that match both the docs from March (I found the docs in mid July) and the dev kit tested by MIC in December 2015 to then magic a more powerful system out of nowhere that devs haven't even heard about.
Even if by some miracle Sony did have a more powerful system would they go to the lengths of keeping it secret even from devs just for the surprise? Also would mean any devs that have completed the Neo mode or patch would have to start again for this more powerful (5.5TF) and different CPU (Zen) system.
I'll be very happy to be wrong, though.
@StrongBlackVine. Out of interest, what do you think final specs will be?
videogamephilosopher
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This PS3 scenario does not apply with the Neo Model, it is a premium product not something that is required for entry. Business sense would say on a basic level to charge a price that is at a larger price gap between the base model to push the perception of a premium product. That is not considering a speculated doubling of performance. The value cannot be determined until the conference. The "Neo" shouldn't be looked at as a mass market product from the start.
Awww man :'(
Hexa
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Just picked up my launch PS3. What was that made out of?
I think I'd enjoy having a console weight that much again, purely for the superficial reason that it feels like more of a beast.
Same reason I don't mind it being loud. lol
A premium product in a niche market like consoles still has to appeal to the basic mainstream market and sell in some capacity.
Your acting like they can charge whatever they want and expect people to buy it because they have dubbed it a premium unit by itself.
If nobody buys the high end unit because its only for 5k people willing to pay out of their noses, there's no pointing in having it as an option to start
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Spieler Eins
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Good to know we've reached a point at which people have been lulled into thinking that an once standard feature like BC is an impossible idea of a mad man.
Not just talking about the CPU, i'm talking about all the components in tandem. Without a major revision, just upclocking the GPU until it can't upclock anymore isnt going to make the unit worth any more than if they kept it at a reasonable level.
It was never a standard feature on console, and with CELL as the architecture your intending to emulate, its not feasible to start with.
Cow Goes Moo
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it's 10lbs cause they stuck a ps vita inside of it
It's actually a Vita mausoleum.
Theonik
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Don't get me wrong, I'd be absolutely ecstatic if we get BC. Sony will kill the PS3 soon and having a place to continue playing the game after that would be great. I'd put in excess of $599 for a system that would play PS1-4 software.
UnforgivenTwin
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Maybe Jack Tretton is inside.
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THE:MILKMAN
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Plus NX and iPhone 7 for the full premium experience.
Imagine. Won't happen though for practical reasons.
Maybe. I just wanna know what this rumoured secret stuff is under the hood that's been rumoured.
Xenon is a completely different beast compared to Cell and the SPU's.
The whole thing just sounds like a disaster in the making. There is literally no need to release this. Continued price cut and software momentum with VR + network would have been enough. This is an unnecessary change in business model hoping to make margin on hardware a consistent component ARPA going forward by making it recurring. It's a cash grab and risks destabilising what is actually a very favourable market environment for them.
The fact that it will be brutalised on the spec front by the Xbox means they risk reversing the de facto platform of choice status that served them so well with the enthusiast crowd. It's just bizarre decision making all round. Especially at $499.
I can see the spreadsheet reasons for wanting to do this but what looks good on a spreadsheet doesn't play well with consumers. There is a risk of significant confusion here and this is absolutely nothing like a phone upgrade cycle, that cycles is helped tremendously by carriers enforcing contracts with incentive to upgrade at renewal date. This is nothing like that and it's fools gold.
I will still buy one.
The fact that it will be brutalised on the spec front by the Xbox means they risk reversing the de facto platform of choice status that served them so well with the enthusiast crowd. It's just bizarre decision making all round. Especially at $499.
I can see the spreadsheet reasons for wanting to do this but what looks good on a spreadsheet doesn't play well with consumers. There is a risk of significant confusion here and this is absolutely nothing like a phone upgrade cycle, that cycles is helped tremendously by carriers enforcing contracts with incentive to upgrade at renewal date. This is nothing like that and it's fools gold.
I will still buy one.
AltissimaRatio
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No if they use Titanium it would be actually lighter, because Titanium is a light metal...
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