Yes, just like ps4 does.
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PlayStation Meeting announced. September 7th 3PM ET (PS4 Neo Reveal)
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Raiden1018
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Are hype trains still banned? If not lets do one with that truck
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Oh, ugh,... I didn't know they were banned or bannable. Umm... Should I delete the image?
That's why i've been attempting(attempting) to kind of calm people down in regards to expectations regarding what the NEO will actually do, but i just end up annoying those who want to believe.
But the writing is on the wall IMO. regardless of what Sony puts in this thing, it is first and foremost designed as a mid tier upgraded PS4 unit.
A glorified 'premium' mid gen refresh in place of a single traditional slim SKU, which they also happen to be releasing.
Yes.
wapplew
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Now I don't want a Neo.
Can't do 60fps in 1080p, high vs ultra or better AA that can't really tell the difference, can't do native 4K. It will be so underwhelming on HD or 4K TV.
first off, we're all just speculating
second, if the 4K thing is really the biggest benefit to the Neo and that ends up that the Neo is not for you then that's okay too. You can use a regular PS4 and enjoy video games on your 1080p tv
AltissimaRatio
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is there now a leak or what??
Where are these parts coming from though? AMD doesn't really have anything in a console appropriate form factor outside of what we're getting...Sony would have to push back the launch by quite a bit to get a new CPU...
You're PS4 is still going to work just fine, and be supported by all games moving forward...
Was wondering the same. Thread settings to be moving more quickly than usual.
That's your choice to buy one or not you know? That's what i'm saying.
Its generally not worth it to me as a PS4 user, so i'll just skip it and wait for PS5. But for a lot of people who care about better graphical/IQ fidelity and more stable framerates, NEO is absolutely relevant.
Based on that FF15 thread constantly shitting on the IQ and graphical fidelity of the game, NEO will absolutely serve those users looking for higher/non variable res, better AA, and notably better graphical quality in general, and along with the Jaguar upclock, will definitely provide far more stable framerates to games, which would also be a plus.
BRocknRolla
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A) You're making a bunch of assumptions without any experience with the product (How do you know what it will look like on and HD or 4k tv?).
B) If you feel like high vs. ultra, or increased resolutions aren't something that you can tell the difference between, why would you have ever have been interested in Neo?
What exactly were you expecting?
Sigh. We need to let the 5TF thing die. It's just setting us up for disappointment. And it's highly unlikely the CPU gets an update.
Kenzodielocke
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You see how good 1st party games on PS4 look?
I mean, Killzone, Infamous, Uncharted 4 or The Order 1886 and so on. Imagine that with 2.5 GPU power.
I have a PC for non exclusives anyways.
BRocknRolla
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Not sure what you're seeing in this thread that indicates that. Seems like pure speculation going on here to me.
certainly there won't be huge night and day differences though right? the majority of that additional power will go to rendering those games at higher resolutions
Kenzodielocke
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Eh, if a developer decides there is more to gain at 1080p than using a higher resolution, then they will go with that.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
This is the likely case.
and better AA with far more stable framerates, yes. But for those people who care about that sort of thing, its definitely a big plus.
Also, they can choose 1080p minimum with overkill AA and graphical presets as well, so its not as if they are just locked at offering higher resolutions and that's it.
The development pipeline of most developers right now will focus on delivering higher PC graphical presets to in development games on NEO, and such. It won't change games like an actual generational upgrade would, but it will provide a far more refined experience. House said it best.
sure, but if Sony's intention with the Neo is to push 4K hard, then Sony first party games are the last games I would expect to ditch 4k in favor of 1080p+++++
No...just a bunch of poor souls here (myself included) starving for information.
Backfoggen
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They won't sell any if they don't have anything to show off.
My predictions:
- Lots of games running at >1080p, but not native 4k, somewhere in between (this I think is going to be Neo mode for most titles)
- More effects make their way into games that actually make a difference, now that there is an audience for enhancements like that with PC and Neo
- Shit that wasn't 60 before still won't be 60.
It's entirely up to devs. If you're thinking how standard PS4 owners would respond, I don't see much scope for complaint in the context of the type of games being referred to there - games that look comparably amazing also on a standard unit. It those devs chose to focus on 'richer 1080p' rather than attempts at 4K or pseudo-4K I think it would go down well.
AltissimaRatio
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The only way to starve happy!
theres was this big Waterfall posted by nerdleaks a fucking 4 hours ago or so..
NotSmartEnough
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Yes, first party is likely to be where the majority of higher than 1080p resolutions come from.
It will be a tough call for third parties; go with 1080p because that's where the mass market is, or spend extra to push for 1800p to cater for a small number of people with UHD TVs.
One could make the argument, that running a game at 1440p with some added eye candy, and downsampled to 1080p would see a better IQ boost than 1440p upscaled to 4k using reconstruction which may introduce artifacts...
So did I...
I'm hoping many take this route...
Backfoggen
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Yeah, people seem to forget that downscaled games are going to look sharp as hell on a 1080p screen. Good image quality on console finally.
pixelation
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You and me both.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Being it is pretty hard to achieve quality 4K performance with demanding titles, I'm not sure they would shoot for 4K like that unless they were sure the hardware could handle it and produce a smooth play experience. I think we're likely to see more games below 4K shooting for a balance of performance and graphical enhancement.
sorry when I say 4K I mean 4k-ish meaning whatever checkerboard > 1080p technique they will do. not native 4k
I do
It's like when they announced the Horizon delay before E3. Get that news out of the way so that people will talk about the game, not the delay, when it's shown again soon.
Darklor01
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I waited too long to get on this site to not be on a hype train/truck
wapplew
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They design this for enthusiast, to retain customers from PC, they really think 60fps in current graphical setting is not an important benchmark?
The tech team who desgin PS4, doesn't design Neo with that in mind? Even when they have VR to push which rely heavily on frame rate.
The tech team who desgin PS4, doesn't design Neo with that in mind? Even when they have VR to push which rely heavily on frame rate.
GT Sport sure would be a looker on NEO
Its uncertain, but banned or not banned, they would just derail the thread
Its uncertain, but banned or not banned, they would just derail the thread
60fps is a game design decision not a technical one
wapplew
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On PS4 it is.
They make a design choice on PS4, if an enhance console can't make the game on same graphical setting double the frame rate, then it's a technical problem.
Crimson_Gold
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The dev could still decide to make the game 30fps. The decision is always up to the dev
To begin with, disregarding the direct fact that it is a developer decision on how they want to develop their title, at what framerate, graphical fidelity ect.
Disregarding that, It would still be impossible by default without a CPU to even achieve what you want, and a CPU to do that won't be ready in time, period. Hell, based on Lisa Su's statements, even Scorpio may not have Zen in it.
I'd like to see 1080p with the eye candy dialed up to 10...or a smaller resolution bump, with proper downsampling to 1080p...I honestly think the differences in effects, AA, shadows, lighting, draw distances, etc...will be easier to show/sell the people than just a resolution bump...
Of course this is me speaking as someone who hasn't made the 4k jump yet...if I had a 4k set I might think differently...
No, it will ALWAYS be a design choice...the Neo could be a 15tf monster with 3 i7's strapped together with unicorn pubic hair and it would still be a design decision...
If your game is 60fps it could have looked prettier if you went 30...and some devs will ALWAYS chose prettier graphics
WeAreStarStuff
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I remember seeing an insane Witcher 3 gif that was running on PC where the monster's fur looked insanely amazing with the way that it was flowing - I've never seen anything like that in a game. If anyone knows what I'm talking about; would the NEO be able to do that?
Then you should be happy knowing nothing changed.
That's probably a nvidia based physics option on PC(fur works, hairworks?)
If the developer had it on PC, and wanted it for NEO, i don't see why not, as long as it was a cosmetic addition only and there was enough GPU and CPU overhead to implement it.
I hear a lot of those physics calculations can be CPU oriented, but GPGPU with the NEO will be even more of a thing. And a 4tflop GPU at this point will be able to render that kind of thing easily, if we're just talking about GPU requirements.
Hawk269
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that was on a high end pc with the hair works option turned on. it takes a lot of GPU horse power to do stuff like that. Depending on the target resolution and framerate I sure a 4tf system could handle it.
pixelation
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Agreed again!
wapplew
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If a weak CPU holding back the system, dev can't get game with PS4 graphic setting run at 60fps and they can only use those extra GPU power for extra resolution, AA bell and whistle.
That's not a choice, it's a hardware technical limitation.
they still have the choice to scale back the graphics in order to hit 60. there is literally nothing preventing devs from doing this.
devs usually opt for better graphics over framerate
Also, just saying for some people who don't understand, with the NEO having a new GPU that's far more efficient and powerful, its going to be less strain on the Jaguar cores. So your going to be able to render more graphical fidelity at 60 with the same Jaguar cores than you would be able to render on OG PS4 at 60.
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