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This sounds like too much work I'm afraid...
Honestly, I'd rather have Uncharted 4 in 1080p60 Ultra than 4k30. I don't care about 1080p downsampling, AA is already very good. Only a minority cares about 4K gaming.
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Honestly, I'd rather have Uncharted 4 in 1080p60 Ultra than 4k30. I don't care about 1080p downsampling, AA is already very good. Only a minority cares about 4K gaming.
The 1080p path could be as much or as little work as they like, really.
A game could be '4K-ish'/30 and then additionally 1080p/60 with little or no effort if the game is GPU bound...
If a framerate bump isn't an option, I guess other things might be more work at 1080p (at least beyond simple IQ tweaks). But I think Sony's devs - and thus the games likely showcased at the PS Meeting - will be more inclined to make that effort, as it is partially their job to show off the hardware.
Bitch Pudding
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I won't. I preordered a PSVR and I have no intention to purchase a Slim if Neo turns out out arrive later.
Negotiator
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Still though, even a Zen LP should be better than a Jaguar IPC-wise. As long as they keep BC, it should be fine.
Nobody expects enthusiast CPU parts in a TDP-constrained APU package, just like nobody expects a Fury X in an APU... the PS4 GPU is theoretically weaker than a Radeon 7870, but it's still doing pretty well.
Latvian Hitman
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It's not.
In 2016, that's correct. As we move into 2017-2018, it will start to be more important. Sony is positioning itself ahead of the curve with an eye toward flexibility, here. That's almost never a bad idea.
Negotiator
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I feel like we're not even going to get true (native) 4K with this mid-gen upgrade, especially the PS4 Neo with a 4.2TF GPU and checkerboard rendering. It reminds me of the subHD of the previous gen. So, yeah, I'd rather have 1080p60 Ultra.
PS5/XB3 should be able to deliver a true 4K experience in 2020+.
To second this notion, a lot of todays parents were gamers themselves (or still are), unlike the vast majority of generation past.
recklesscognition
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If you aren't into selling your console and like the ease and lack of hassle for trade-ins, you can trade in a OG PS4 on Amazon today and will not have to ship it for an entire week after the meeting. You can lock in the price at $165 and that's shipped and gone out of your hands price. After fees, shipping, and the worry of lost shipment, shipper trying to refund, etc, I rather take a lower price.
If the event comes and you don't want to trade, you do nothing and just let it expire.
If the event comes and you don't want to trade, you do nothing and just let it expire.
Latvian Hitman
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We're not, but we'll still get something that looks better on 4K displays than native 1080p. Sony wouldn't be pushing ahead with this if that weren't the case. The marketplace will bear this out as either a good or bad idea. For your part- if this isn't going to be up your alley, then absolutely don't buy it.
Primethius
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High res down sampling is another beast from great AA.
And the sheer image quality you get from great AA plus a down sampled image...
I'd take that for UC4 over 1080/60 in the campaign any day imo.
James Sawyer Ford
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Really excited to see what The Last Guardian will look like in Neo mode. Hope Sony shows it off Sept 7
UC4 already has great AA tho, I think it'd benefit far more from improved framerate.
UC4 already has great AA tho, I think it'd benefit far more from improved framerate.
jimbobsmells
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This so much. Parents today are not ignorant of gaming brands.
Obliterator
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As someone who down samples from 1440p or 4k on my PC regularly I get that.
But you aren't going to sell a ton of Neo's on down sampled games. Sure it might offer some better IQ but I don't think that will be enough to convince many people that own 1080p TV to rush out and buy one.
FarFromAnyGame
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PS4:
NEO:
NEO:
I honestly don't think Sony will try to convince 1080p TV owners that much
Negotiator
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Yeah, I'm not going to buy it if only offers a resolution bump.
Penello has said this:
1080p30 games (XB1) -> 4k30 games (Scorpio)
1080p60 games (XB1) -> 4k60 games (Scorpio)
This is 100% useless for me and 95% of people out there, so yeah, it saves me some money and Sony/MS will lose plenty of sales.
Obliterator
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Seems an awful lot of work for just 4k adoption which is incredibly low in comparison to homes with 1080p TVs. And that will still be the case for the next 3 or so years until people's good 1080p sets start going out or 4k gets down to really cheap prices with 1080p sets.
I mean if it's just about 4k you aren't moving a whole lot of Neo's. If this is at the end of the day about a resolution boost they should have just waited for PS5 in 2018 or 2019.
Theonik
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I don't think Sony will really care that much. 4K adoption is starting to make sense now, and everyone buying a new TV in 2017 but also most people buying TVs in 2016 will be desperately looking for 4K content. Sony has a secondary motive in this since they greatly benefit from getting people to buy new TVs, compared to other console makers.
This all hinges on how much die size that extra IPC is costing Sony.
Darklor01
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I think they're banking more on selling slim units than Neo. They're providing an option which will outperform slim and OG if you are willing to pay for it. As others have said, I think they don't care which you buy as long as you buy. Some other think Neo was necessary and possibly related to PSVR performance possibly due to some online stuff they read in places, and some think it is to offer up something in answer to MS Xbox One S. I now say, let's see what it is in a bit less than a weak. All the speculation is fun but is starting to be a drag.
Panello doesn't have a clue... 4K 60fps games on Scorpio? What?
What 1080p games on one? /s
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Ouch.
I really hope that there aren't wildly different 4K and 1080p modes. Part of the reason I quit PC gaming is because I can't stop messing with settings. I change them constantly, even just for different camera angles. It would drive me nuts to choose between 1080/60, 4K/30, or different fidelity settings.
I really can't see there being 2 different distinct Neo modes. If there is a 1080p mode with a lot of bells and whistles vs. a 4k mode that has the same effects as standard PS4, who would bother with the 4k mode? just upscale it
I will also be legitimately surprised if lots of games are 30fps on PS4 and 60fps on Neo
Negotiator
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Most people are going to get a Sammy/LG TV, not a Bravia.
Same thing happened with 3D... Sony pushed 3D gaming really hard (in exclusives like Uncharted 3), but they didn't sell a lot of Bravias. So, 3D support is basically non-existent these days.
It doesn't make any sense to benefit competitors (Samsung, LG).
I think he was talking about Forza 6 (it's already 1080p60).
1080p30 games (like Rise of the Tomb Raider) will become 4k30.
vpance
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Truth.
It's not like an either or situation anyways. FauxK won't be costly to implement.
MilkyJoe
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PS4:
NEO:
PS4 is higher res, better textures...
Raiden1018
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Thats some terrible ass character design xDPS4 x NEO
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gundamkyoukai
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Lol
Talking about CPU it going to be interesting to see what MS use .
And what Sony going to use next gen .
Chris Metal
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PS4
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NEO
LifEndz
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Hope it proves to be the wise move for you. I'm banking on a nice trade-in offer from a retailer.
Agreed
I'm hoping/expecting down sampling versus reconstruction with the same settings for both modes.
1080p is still a good resolution for current gen games,if the AA is good. Let's not go too far out on a limb
There is no way they’re giving up a 30%+ advantage to Sony. They CREATED DirectX.
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