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[Inuhanyou]

Can someone explain to me what's the point of having 120 TF if games are still limited by OG PS4 and XONE compatibility?

It's like driving a Ferrari with a speed-limiter.

24k resolution with 32xMSAA even with a deferred renderer.

 

[Omnistalgic]

Late to the comparisons:

PS4:

Neo:

Oh NO!! you didn’t!!!!!

 

[BroBot]

Can someone explain to me what's the point of having 120 TF if games are still limited by OG PS4 and XONE compatibility?

It's like driving a Ferrari with a speed-limiter.

So we can play 10 ps4 games in native 4K at once on the same screen. I thought this was obvious.

 

[Jack The Nipper]

Can someone explain to me what's the point of having 120 TF if games are still limited by OG PS4 and XONE compatibility?

It's like driving a Ferrari with a speed-limiter.

They will get exclusive titles

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Why would we want to clam things down .
We have a few days left it's time for the madness to really kick in .

No I can't have that. These things have a proper order.

1, Official announce and/or teaser video
2, GAF hype goes into overdrive
3, Bans
4, Disappointment

 

[Hexa]

They will get exclusive titles

Everything we know as of now says they won't.

 

[Dinjooh]

So we can play 10 ps4 games in native 4K at once. I thought this was obvious.

It's all about that PictureInPictureInPictureInPictureInPictureInPictureInPictureInPictureInPictureInPicture bro.

 

[Venom Fox]

take this for what it's worth but yesterday talking to little birdie in the know at COD XP, final dev kits wont go out until the Sept 7th reveal and expect NEO to be higher than the original rumored specs. Late September/Early October launch.

I've had a few other winks and nods that NEO is out in Sept/Oct this year but this was the first time I've heard specs closer to Scorpio from some one on the dev side of the fence.

I want this to be true so Inuhanyou will stop saying my beloved Neo will be 3.6TF... ;P

 

[onQ123]

Specs close to Scorpio with a year head start is huge if true. I am sure ms will boost its specs before launch next year as well to make it the most powerful console.

I'd also expect that to mean the system would not be cheap. But really, if the system launches in 2016, I can't imagine it having close specs to Scorpio because Scorpio will probably have a Zen CPU while Neo would be stuck using what PS4 has. I'd believe Neo having comparable power if it launches in Q1 2017.

Neo can't have specs close to Scorpio.
If Neo is 6TF, Scorpio will be 8TF.

14-16nm wafer yields will improve in 2017, so I guess this makes sense. Unless both Neo and Scorpio release at the same time.

This is correct. Whatever Sony do, tech will advance and get cheaper over the next year, and MS have that time to use it to come up with something more powerful. In the end, we win.

Not true most likely Sony & MS both was going to use the highest model of Polaris for the GPU the 36CU chip that's being used for the RX 480 + the APUs from the older consoles Sony only told the specs of the CPU & the GPU while MS told the total power of the APU + GPU

see my posts from before

Maybe Base mode is the actual PS4 APU & Neo mode is PS4 APU + RX 480

No it would be 6.29TF if the PS4 APU is clocked at 911MHz like the main GPU but 6.04TF if it's clocked at 800MHz.

You all might think my theory is crazy but this might also be how Xbox Scorpio will get to 6TF.


Xbox One S APU + 36 CU polaris GPU both clocked at 980MHz would be 6TF


or it can be the Xbox One S APU with all 14 CUs enabled + the 36 CU GPU both clocked at 950MHz that would also be 6TF

 

[N.Domixis]

MS got people sweating. All it took were some power point slides and "6 Tflops"

The only one sweating will be MS.

 

[Deku Tree]

So $999?

 

[ClearData]

Someone post gifs of leaky faucets so maybe those susceptible to subconscious suggestion slip up and breaks NDA before the 7th.

 

[Bitch Pudding]

Everything we know as of now says they won't.

You're right. Which will change the very second Sony or MS think that their new SKUs need a little push. Just a matter of time until one of them comes up with the usual "this was just not possible on the old system" PR spin. And yes, given the much bigger power gap, MS is the most likely first one who's going to try it out.

 

[RoboPlato]

So $999?

$9999

 

[ClearData]

$9999

2nd, 3rd, and 4th job needed confirmed.

 

[Toparaman]

PS4:

NEO:

So...lower resolution, less hair-rendering capabilities, less realistic lighting, and marketed to sociopathic fedora wearers?

 

[icespide]

So...lower resolution, less hair-rendering capabilities, less realistic lighting, and marketed to sociopathic fedora wearers?

not a big enough difference from the normal PS4

 

[The Pope]

Ps4
8=D

Neo
8===================D

But seriously cant the 7th come sooner!

 

[Inuhanyou]

I want this to be true so Inuhanyou will stop saying my beloved Neo will be 3.6TF... ;P

I'm betting on 4.2tflops, 218 to 224GB/s GDDR5 RAM and 2.4 GHZ Jaguar CPU. That upgrade from the CPU of PS4 NEO we know of now(2.1) will help a lot, but 2.4 is the maximum amount Jaguar can be scaled to, so it makes sense to max it out and get optimal CPU time.

Going from 1.6 all the way to 2.4 would really balance the unit as much as it possibly could be.

 

[Darklor01]

So...lower resolution, less hair-rendering capabilities, less realistic lighting, and marketed to sociopathic fedora wearers?

Day 1, and don't get in my way!

 

[PeterLegend]

Next Wednesday will be amazing, either people will be happy with the specs or completely let down LOL

 

[Bad_Boy]

I'll need to update my avatar next week.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

Next Wednesday will be amazing, either people will be happy with the specs or completely let down LOL

Sony is a hardware company, they have access to top notch 3D printers, everything we see could be fake.

 

[justsomeguy]

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hahaha! hey I'm just passing along what I was told and I believe this person as we have history going way back. Trust me hope it's true and NEO is more powerful, it will push MS to do better with Scorpio and as gamers we all win.

Great post. So many people are trying to downplay one box or over egg another - losing sight of the most important thing: this is awesome for us mere mortals. If Sony have pushed MS to make a play for raw power and in turn MS have pushed Sony to bump neo then we all win. Seriously good.

 

[serversurfer]

PS4:

Neo:

 

[Negotiator]

Great post. So many people are trying to downplay one box or over egg another - losing sight of the most important thing: this is awesome for us mere mortals. If Sony have pushed MS to make a play for raw power and in turn MS have pushed Sony to bump neo then we all win. Seriously good.

Unless they bump them too much and we end up with YLODv2/RRODv2.

 

[Irishonion]

I'm betting on 4.2tflops, 218 to 224GB/s GDDR5 RAM and 2.4 GHZ Jaguar CPU. That upgrade from the CPU of PS4 NEO we know of now(2.1) will help a lot, but 2.4 is the maximum amount Jaguar can be scaled to, so it makes sense to max it out and get optimal CPU time.

Going from 1.6 all the way to 2.4 would really balance the unit as much as it possibly could be.

Sounds good enough for me, 399!

 

[GravityInsanity]

PS4:

PS4 NEO:

 

[TetraGenesis]

PS4:

PS4 NEO:

Too perfect, hahahaha. I've always wondered where that second gif is from.

 

[BigEmil]

PS4:

Neo:

I'm dead xD

 

[Mikey Jr.]

PS4:

Neo:

Ok this one got me.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Sounds good enough for me, 399!

Yep, that's my final prediction going into the meeting.

4.14 Polaris GPU
2.4 GHZ Jaguar CPU
8GB GDDR5 RAM at 218-224GB/s

399$

October-November

BOOK IT

 

[PLASTICA-MAN]

They will get exclusive titles

Everything we know as of now says they won't.

Well according to this : http://gamingbolt.com/ride-2-dev-early-games-on-ps4-neo-and-xbox-one-scorpio-will-be-like-hd-ports

Things may change in the future, well especially at the end of this gen. I was surprised too when I read this, but I am almost sure Sony will be compelled to release Neo only games, especially cross-gen ones between Neo and PS5 at the end of this gen. Right now they don't want to cause separation between the current base and the upcoming base but in the future, no one will complain especially when Neo will be abundant and very affordable.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

So glad I am wrapped up in college football now. This thread has jumped the shark.

 

[III-V]

...

399$

...

you going to be able to live with that *gasp* odd number *eep*

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Yep, that's my final prediction going into the meeting.

4.14 Polaris GPU
2.4 GHZ Jaguar CPU
8GB GDDR5 RAM at 218-224GB/s

399$

October-November

BOOK IT

I trust nothing you say. I actively disregard it.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Well according to this : http://gamingbolt.com/ride-2-dev-early-games-on-ps4-neo-and-xbox-one-scorpio-will-be-like-hd-ports

Ride 2 dev doesn't have any bearing on Sony's strategy going forward.

Also, its only 3 years for NEO as relevance, to prop up the PS4 ecosystem and keep sales solvent for the two tiered market.

There's no point in acting like NEO is its own platform, or else they would not be pushing Slim concurrently.

you going to be able to live with that *gasp* odd number *eep*

Everyone knows 399 is actually 400, so it doesnt even count.

I trust nothing you say. I actively disregard it.

Ok?

Well its not as if i know anything, i'm just posting my predictions

 

[Venom Fox]

I trust nothing you say. I actively disregard it.

Haha same. The specs change with every post lmao. Still love you though Inuhanyou.

 

[sense]

Yep, that's my final prediction going into the meeting.

4.14 Polaris GPU
2.4 GHZ Jaguar CPU
8GB GDDR5 RAM at 218-224GB/s

399$

October-November

BOOK IT

I will challenge you and say there will be an upgrade in specs somehow to bring it above 5tf, 449 to 499 depending on how high the bump is and release end of September

 

[PLASTICA-MAN]

Ride 2 dev doesn't have any bearing on Sony's strategy going forward.

Also, its only 3 years for NEO as relevance, to prop up the PS4 ecosystem and keep sales solvent for the two tiered market.

There's no point in acting like NEO is its own platform, or else they would not be pushing Slim concurrently.

Sony may drop the PS4 /Neo mandator rule at the end of the cycle and let devs do whatever they want just like Microsoft is implying by giving devs complete freedom whether choose to develop cross games on Xbox/Scorpio or Scorpio only. I bet even some Sony first party studios are already making Neo only games for the end of this gen. Time will tell.

 

[Inuhanyou]

I will challenge you and say there will be an upgrade in specs somehow to bring it above 5tf, 449 to 499 depending on how high the bump is and release end of September

I don't see the point of 5TF, and it being super expensive. Just cause its a higher tier than super budget PS4(which i expect to be 249 in its lower SKU) doesn' tmean it has to go above PS4's 'just right' price level. Especially considering it would put PS5 in an awkward position, since its bound to be significantly more powerful than the jump of PS4 to NEO, yet will have to be priced at a mainstream price level like PS4.

I can see the prices fluctuating depending on harddrive space. So maybe base PS4 slim will be 249 and base NEO will be 399, and the price will go up depending on the HDD's included.

Haha same. The specs change with every post lmao. Still love you though Inuhanyou.

There are things i speculate on based on my own personal wants, and those can change.

There are also things i think will happen regardless of my opinion.

It just so happens that these specs i just listed are what i would be most happy with personally and what i think will come to pass.

Sony may drop the PS4 /Neo mandator rule at the end of the cycle and let devs do whatever they want just like Microsoft is implying by giving devs complete freedom whether choose to develop cross games on Xbox/Scorpio or Scorpio only. I bet even some Sony first party studios are already making Neo only games for the end of this gen. Time will tell.

I don't see that happening. Why unshackle NEO right at the end of the gen yet keep it locked throughout the rest of it? The specs of the NEO, regardless of what they end up being, are not enough to be taken advantage of as its own unit, cause of Jaguar.

It would automatically be a question of why it was not also on PS4 with the visuals downgraded.

 

[PLASTICA-MAN]

I don't see the point of 5TF, and it being super expensive. Just cause its a higher tier than super budget PS4(which i expect to be 249 in its lower SKU) doesn' tmean it has to go above PS4's 'just right' price level. Especially considering it would put PS5 in an awkward position, since its bound to be significantly more powerful than the jump of PS4 to NEO, yet will have to be priced at a mainstream price level like PS4.

I can see the prices fluctuating depending on harddrive space. So maybe base PS4 slim will be 249 and base NEO will be 399, and the price will go up depending on the HDD's included.

Haven't you been the other thread and its leaks? Sony may release the planned 5.5 Tflop Neo at expensive price this year or wait till next year and ship it cheaper because components become more affordable and this is tbe ideal alternative solution if they want to compete with Scorpio.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

I don't see the point of 5TF, and it being super expensive. Just cause its a higher tier than super budget PS4(which i expect to be 249 in its lower SKU) doesn' tmean it has to go above PS4's 'just right' price level. Especially considering it would put PS5 in an awkward position, since its bound to be significantly more powerful than the jump of PS4 to NEO, yet will have to be priced at a mainstream price level like PS4.

I can see the prices fluctuating depending on harddrive space. So maybe base PS4 slim will be 249 and base NEO will be 399, and the price will go up depending on the HDD's included.



There are things i speculate on based on my own personal wants, and those can change.

There are also things i think will happen regardless of my opinion.

It just so happens that these specs i just listed are what i would be most happy with personally and what i think will come to pass.



I don't see that happening. Why unshackle NEO right at the end of the gen yet keep it locked throughout the rest of it? The specs of the NEO, regardless of what they end up being, are not enough to be taken advantage of as its own unit, cause of Jaguar.

It would automatically be a question of why it was not also on PS4 with the visuals downgraded.

Why do you want or care about anything Neo related when you have no plans or desire to buy one?

 

[onQ123]

Sony may drop the PS4 /Neo mandator rule at the end of the cycle and let devs do whatever they want just like Microsoft is implying by giving devs complete freedom whether choose to develop cross games on Xbox/Scorpio or Scorpio only. I bet even some Sony first party studios are already making Neo only games for the end of this gen. Time will tell.

Why would they do this? Neo is a PS4 with more processing power so whatever game you can make for Neo you can also make for PS4 just at a lower resolution so even if this Neo game is using so much resources that it has to be 1080p PS4 can still do that same game 540p.

But as time pass even more people will have 4K TV so why would devs go backwards & start making 1080p Neo games that can't play on PS4?

Maybe they will have some PSVR games that could only be played using Neo

 

[Prologue]

Why all the gifs? No confirmations yet

 

[benny_a]

Why do you want or care about anything Neo related when you have no plans or desire to buy one?

Let me tell you about the GAFs and the bees. Sometimes you write something in advance of an event happening so you can go "Disappointed" in the reaction thread, despite the something being completely manufactured in your head.

 

[PLASTICA-MAN]

I don't see that happening. Why unshackle NEO right at the end of the gen yet keep it locked throughout the rest of it? The specs of the NEO, regardless of what they end up being, are not enough to be taken advantage of as its own unit, cause of Jaguar.

It would automatically be a question of why it was not also on PS4 with the visuals downgraded.

Who told for sure that the final sku will use Jaguar? Nothing is certain yet and according to the latest leaks Sony may use Zen Lite especially if Neo is going to release next year. Few days are left.

 

[PLASTICA-MAN]

Why would they do this? Neo is a PS4 with more processing power so whatever game you can make for Neo you can also make for PS4 just at a lower resolution so even if this Neo game is using so much resources that it has to be 1080p PS4 can still do that same game 540p.

But as time pass even more people will have 4K TV so why would devs go backwards & start making 1080p Neo games that can't play on PS4?

Maybe they will have some PSVR games that could only be played using Neo

If Sony invested in a more powerful console then Microsoft invested in another more powerful console at their turn, if Microsoft is allowing devs to do exclusive games on Scorpio, why would you think Sony wouldn't do the same for Neo?

 

[Inuhanyou]

Why do you want or care about anything Neo related when you have no plans or desire to buy one?

How do you know i won't buy one? I may at one point do so, depending on the circumstances involved.

Also, why do i have to want to buy one to speculate on information about the console? Am i barred from doing so without a 'i bought a ps4 neo' seal of approval?

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

PS4

Neo