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[NotSmartEnough]

That sounds like an extremely rare scenario.

There's not going to be enough people skipping out on games they're excited for because the Neo mode doesn't deliver.

I don't see how any publisher will have their sales killed when the PS4 and XB1 will be the majority, aka the people who won't be getting upgraded games.

I think it's a different scenario to the Cyberpunk, RDR one: those are unique games without direct competitors. Consumers either buy it or they don't.

If you were to look at games where there is more competition, the presence or absence of a Neo mode could make the difference between a consumer choosing one game or another, rather than your scenario where they either buy it or skip it altogether.

I think in a hypothetical situation where there were two identical driving games, one with a 'proper' Neo mode and one without, vanilla PS4 owners would buy the one with the Neo mode. It will be more feature-complete, get better reviews and have prettier promo materials. The inclusion of Neo mode would increase its perceived value to the consumer.

Of course in reality it wouldn't be cut and dried like that, but reviewers will point out the omission of a feature that is very significant to a sector of the market. That will affect a game's review scores, and will have some knock-on effect on financials.

The effect is worsened when you're competing with a first-party studio that has to support Neo. If you're writing a game that's going toe-to-toe with GT are you going to gamble on omitting a feature you know they are going to include?

 

[Morts]

I'm very curious whether they'll try to pitch this mainly for 4k TV owners or if they'll try to illustrate graphical improvements on 1080p TVs.

 

[duhmetree]

The new PS4 wasn't leaked. Only when it was already in boxes.

Not just in boxes but distributed worldwide.

Neo could be region specific for some time before going into full distribution. The alleged Foxconn employee told us the Neo was in production.

 

[Simo]

People over at the Red Dead Reddit are blowing things wayyy out of proportion.
Just because the PSBlog opened with "Howdy." lmao

Uh huh. Remember that dude on reddit who guaranteed Red Dead at E3 this year with information on it and then quickly got ran out of dodge when none of it came to fruition?

Gosh, what was his name again....?

 

[Sn4ke_911]

Yup, makes sense. GG and him don't mix well last I heard(?)

Not surprised if this is true, guess most people in the industry wouldn't be happy when some guy leaks stuff for attention and ruins months of others hard work.

Sid?

Yeah maybe that's a hint at Red Dead.

 

[jimbobsmells]

The new PS4 wasn't leaked. Only when it was already in boxes.

yeah the Slim only leaked because they wanted a big reveal 'available now!' moment so it's already in the retail channels. It's reasonable IMO to still expect a late October / Early November release date for Neo and there not be any leaks.

 

[c0de]

No? You're going to have to elaborate on what you mean because if you just take the bits of a two 16 bit FP and concatenate them, you don't get anything meaningful for operations. Like if you have 16 bit FPS A,B,C,D then A||C + B||D =/= (A+B)||(C+D)

Yes, I'm also confused. How would that work? IEEE754 doesn't really work that way.

 

[Jonboy]

Yeah maybe that's a hint at Red Dead.

Nah, that's just Sid being Sid, lol. Anyone who listens to the podcast knows he has a humorous, eccentric personality. Pretty sure I've heard him use howdy on there many times.

I know he reads GAF too so he's probably getting a good laugh out of this.

 

[Raiden1018]

Uh huh. Remember that dude on reddit who guaranteed Red Dead at E3 this year with information on it and then quickly got ran out of dodge when none of it came to fruition?

Gosh, what was his name again....?

lol
It was supposed to be there. Colin from IGN even said so. He said a really reliable source told him so

 

[ZoyosJD]

So you're telling me that when you store 2 16-bit FP operations into 1 32-bit operation you're not doing 2 16-bit operations per clock?

Nope. You should actually read the whole thing for yourself (though I never expect you too). Nothing in the abstract suggests performing an "operation" anywhere.

"Abstract
A graphics processing may include implementing a vertex shader and a pixel shader with a GPU. Vertex parameter values may be compressed with the vertex shader and compressed vertex parameter values may be written to a cache. The pixel shader may access the compressed vertex parameter values that were written to the cache and decompress the compressed vertex parameter values. It is emphasized that this abstract is provided to comply with the rules requiring an abstract that will allow a searcher or other reader to quickly ascertain the subject matter of the technical disclosure. It is submitted with the understanding that it will not be used to interpret or limit the scope or meaning of the claims."

Furthermore, it directly gives an example showing that to do so would would be "essentially meaningless".

"[0058] As compressed, the subtraction destroys the original data because the subtraction results 27, 58 are essentially meaningless with respect to the true parameter values. As such, values cannot be decompressed and the original P10, P20, or P1, P2 cannot be recovered from the subtraction results."

The patent is a temporary memory storage technique to alleviate potential bottlenecks, not to perform operations, but yet again you lack a basic understanding of the subject in general as much as a full understanding of the specific patent you post.

 

[Celcius]

I fully expect MEGATONS.

A. Everyone in the audience gets a free Neo!
B. The Neo has a silver case with dual APUs and GDDR5X instead of GDDR5 and 50% more RAM too.
C. FFXV is shown running on the Neo at 5k down sampled to 4K, 60 fps locked, 8x msaa.
D. Every Neo comes with a lifetime subscription to PlayStation Plus.
E. Neo is backwards compatible with PS 1-3 discs. Then they make a deal with Sega so that it can play Dreamcast and Saturn discs too.
F. The cooling is so beefy that the system is 1/3 loud as before and the disc drive is 1/2 as loud. Disc drive plays UHD discs.
G. The first 10,000 Neos are autographed by Cerny and Kaz.
H. You can stack them together for double power, but they forget to add a limit of 2 consoles to the algorithm and power scales linearly so you can stack many together for all teh powaaaa, until it gets patched.
I. FF7 sequel is unveiled as Neo exclusive and Sony doesn't care because it basically prints money.
J. 2TB ssd.

Spoiler

just joking

 

[Raiden1018]

I fully expect MEGATONS.

Spoiler

just joking

GEE! REALLY?

 

[DOWN]

Guys I'm so nervous about the preorder lol. I need it to be from Amazon because I have so much damn credit there

 

[Chamber]

Maybe because there's nothing to leak? I'm in the same boat at those who think there won't be a Neo announcement tomorrow, i think the big reveal would have been the slim ps4 and some gameplay videos of upcoming games

If Neo wasn't going to be there, they would have already said so like they did before E3. I'm genuinely shocked at people who believe they're having a PlayStation Meeting to announce a slim PS4. Slim redesigns get announced via blog posts, not press conferences.

 

[ScaryShark]

Guys I'm so nervous about the preorder lol. I need it to be from Amazon because I have so much damn credit there

Seriously in the past Gaf has been the best place to know when these anticipated pre-orders go live. I've never missed one if I pay attention on here.

 

[jdmonmou]

I'm very curious whether they'll try to pitch this mainly for 4k TV owners or if they'll try to illustrate graphical improvements on 1080p TVs.

I think it would be a mistake for them to do that since the 4K TV adoption rate is not that high right now. They need to appeal to people with only 1080p TVs as well. It should remain a selling point but it shouldn't be branded as a 4K console like Microsoft is doing with Scorpio.

 

[The God]

I think it's a different scenario to the Cyberpunk, RDR one: those are unique games without direct competitors. Consumers either buy it or they don't.

If you were to look at games where there is more competition, the presence or absence of a Neo mode could make the difference between a consumer choosing one game or another, rather than your scenario where they either buy it or skip it altogether.

I think in a hypothetical situation where there were two identical driving games, one with a 'proper' Neo mode and one without, vanilla PS4 owners would buy the one with the Neo mode. It will be more feature-complete, get better reviews and have prettier promo materials. The inclusion of Neo mode would increase its perceived value to the consumer.

Of course in reality it wouldn't be cut and dried like that, but reviewers will point out the omission of a feature that is very significant to a sector of the market. That will affect a game's review scores, and will have some knock-on effect on financials.

The effect is worsened when you're competing with a first-party studio that has to support Neo. If you're writing a game that's going toe-to-toe with GT are you going to gamble on omitting a feature you know they are going to include?

I see what you're saying, but I still think your scenario is too specific that it's not something the majority of pubs and devs will need to worry about.

How many games nowadays really have direct competitors like that? There really aren't any alternatives to games like Witcher 3, Deus Ex, NBA 2K, Madden, Mass Effect, etc

In your scenario it makes sense for a developer to go all out in a Neo mode but I don't think that applies to a large part of the industry.

Neo owners are going to be the minority. 40 million OG owners > 5 million Neo owners and less than half of those Neo owners being upset about the lack of upgrades

 

[recklesscognition]

The only question right now regarding whether or not Neo is there is whether or not the actual console is there in final form, or if they're running controller cords to a hidden box somewhere playing off a build kit.

 

[Darklor01]

No Leak = No mass production yet?

Meaning next year?

There is at least one post which I believe stated the Foxconn "artist" drawing the Neo says they are producing the machine in quantity each day.

 

[Wollan]

October G.I cover is Horizon Zero Dawn. Wonder if it will have Neo news.

 

[Omnistalgic]

Predictions

- Modest spec bump to get closer to competion
- affordable prices @ $249 $ $449 without bundles
- PSVR a big focus
- Renamed to something more mainstream
- A few titles showcased mostly from in house devs
- One big reveal from 3rd or first party
- Devs talking about what they can do with with the system
- PR repeating how systems complement each other
- Sales update

 

[RedAssedApe]

I fully expect MEGATONS.

A. Everyone in the audience gets a free Neo!

Spoiler

just joking

I know you're joking but do events still do this kind of thing for non-fan events? Thought people were starting to frown on these freebies as buying the gaming press (since those are the people in attendance) heh

 

[adamsapple]

I know you're joking but do events still do this kind of thing for non-fan events? Thought people were starting to frown on these freebies as buying the gaming press (since those are the people in attendance) heh

I think the last time this happened in mainstream gaming was the E3 MS announced the 360 slim.

 

[Raiden1018]

Predictions

- Modest spec bump to get closer to competion
- affordable prices @ $249 $ $449 without bundles
- PSVR a big focus
- Renamed to something more mainstream
- A few titles showcased mostly from in house devs
- One big reveal from 3rd or first party
- Devs talking about what they can do with with the system
- PR repeating how systems complement each other
- Sales update

This is realistic.
I hope the surprise reveal is Red Dead 3

 

[Tagyhag]

lol
It was supposed to be there. Colin from IGN even said so. He said a really reliable source told him so

Considering just how weird it was the way that conference ended, and that zombie shooting game being announced halfway, and then played at the end, I wouldn't have been surprised if it really was meant to be shown.

We'll at least know by tomorrow.

 

[jmaine_ph]

October G.I cover is Horizon Zero Dawn. Wonder if it will have Neo news.

Called it. I'm going to have to get that issue and read up on it. I'm so hyped for that game.

 

[jmaine_ph]

Predictions

- Modest spec bump to get closer to competion
- affordable prices @ $249 $ $449 without bundles
- PSVR a big focus
- Renamed to something more mainstream
- A few titles showcased mostly from in house devs
- One big reveal from 3rd or first party
- Devs talking about what they can do with with the system
- PR repeating how systems complement each other
- Sales update

This is exactly what I'm expecting.

 

[tommyguns]

Called it. I'm going to have to get that issue and read up on it. I'm so hyped for that game.

Me too! The cover reveal 'trailer' had small glimpses of new footage. The new (?) location they showed looked awesome! The desert canyon looking area.

 

[sense]

sony is not going to go through this holiday without a 4k capable device in the market. slim does not have 4k capabilities from the looks of it so NEO HAS to release this year.

my bets are late September or early October.

 

[Wace]

I fully expect MEGATONS.

A. Everyone in the audience gets a free Neo!

Fuck that, everyone's watching does.

"Enter this code to download your copy of NEO NOW!"

...And that's how we learn that Neo is actually a codename for a firmware.

 

[duhmetree]

Bloodborne II or a TLoU2 teaser similar to the UC4 one.. Difference being the teaser will be in Neo mode.

 

[Munkymall]

You do all know there's info on gamepur seemingly putting a lot of the speculation to rest. Just saying. It's been up for hours.
http://www.gamepur.com/news/24158-p...aded-4k30fps-and-1080p90fps-rumored-tech.html

 

[Maroon Gamer]

Twentyfife hours GAF! The chosen one is coming!

 

[Crimson_Gold]

You do all know there's info on gamepur seemingly putting a lot of the speculation to rest. Just saying. It's been up for hours.

Link please

 

[icespide]

You do all know there's info on gamepur seemingly putting a lot of the speculation to rest. Just saying. It's been up for hours.

what the fuck is gamepur

edit: oh they are just referencing @ZhugeEX's tweets

 

[kevin1025]

Predictions

- Modest spec bump to get closer to competion
- affordable prices @ $249 $ $449 without bundles
- PSVR a big focus
- Renamed to something more mainstream
- A few titles showcased mostly from in house devs
- One big reveal from 3rd or first party
- Devs talking about what they can do with with the system
- PR repeating how systems complement each other
- Sales update

Yep. I'm expecting PS4 announcement briefing level of stuff, nothing crazy apart from maybe one big thing.

 

[BumRush]

Predictions

- Modest spec bump to get closer to competion
- affordable prices @ $249 $ $449 without bundles
- PSVR a big focus
- Renamed to something more mainstream
- A few titles showcased mostly from in house devs
- One big reveal from 3rd or first party
- Devs talking about what they can do with with the system
- PR repeating how systems complement each other
- Sales update

These are my expectations as well. I honestly think they'll capitalize on calling it PS4K since people are getting more excited about 4K TVs (I know they're not even close to being the norm yet).

$449 1TB might be pushing it but that'd be a great price point. Not expecting much in the way of game announcements, but that's probably because I'd rather be surprised than let down.

 

[Dahaka]

http://www.gamepur.com/news/24158-p...aded-4k30fps-and-1080p90fps-rumored-tech.html

nothing to see imo

 

[duhmetree]

You do all know there's info on gamepur seemingly putting a lot of the speculation to rest. Just saying. It's been up for hours.

The article is based off of tweets that were posted here yesterday.

'No HUGE spec upgrades' does not equal 'No spec upgrades'

 

[Crimson_Gold]

You do all know there's info on gamepur seemingly putting a lot of the speculation to rest. Just saying. It's been up for hours.

http://www.gamepur.com/news/24158-p...aded-4k30fps-and-1080p90fps-rumored-tech.html

nothing to see imo

Yea. No info there at all. I mean come on

 

[autoduelist]

So if people like games that take advantage of newer technology, and we know they do, there will be a market and publishers will compete to satisfy that demand. HDR and wide color gamut will make games pop in a way that people haven't seen before and they'll want to share in that experience.

But we don't know this is true. In fact, what we do know is that the majority of people buy into a console gen 3-5 years after the console launches. This is decidedly not 'newer technology', especially given you can get a PC more powerful than a console on Day 1.

Rather, most console gamers seem to value savings and thriftiness over 'cutting edge'. They're waiting for the console to drop a hundred or two, and for a nice library of games to be available at a discount ($20 'classics' versions, etc). However, they buy into the gen knowing the machine they are buying is still the 'best' console.

Now, certainly, there is -also- a subset of gamers that want cutting edge. They buy the new graphics cards, buy consoles day 1, etc. But don't mistake this subset for the majority.

We don't know how this will play out. Personally, I really hate that my PS4, which I paid $400 for on Day 1, is going to feel 'outdated' soon. That's not why I buy consoles, and it's going to push me away from ever buying a console at launch again.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

http://www.gamepur.com/news/24158-p...aded-4k30fps-and-1080p90fps-rumored-tech.html

nothing to see imo

agree thought it was something we not read yet .

We don't know how this will play out. Personally, I really hate that my PS4, which I paid $400 for on Day 1, is going to feel 'outdated' soon. That's not why I buy consoles, and it's going to push me away from ever buying a console at launch again.

It's going to be 3 years old if you are a day 1 buyer .
I know people going to have to get use to this for consoles but it happens with everything else.
And if your the sort of gamer that price matter first there is the cheap version like how people buy years old stuff for also everything else.

 

[Darklor01]

Yea. No info there at all. I mean come on

 

[mike4001_]

I believe that a possible spec bump will come down to the cooling solution they are using.

I think it´s obvious that the hardware was finished months ago, also there just is no other CPU/GPU they can put in for the 399/449/499 price tag.

So they could only increase the clock speed on the CPU/GPU, which comes down to, if their cooling solution had some room left (as the Xbox One did) or they were going for a compact system with no room left (as our current PS4)

 

[Munkymall]

Seriously? You treat that with a desmisive level is scepticism but jump on everything else. Seemed as legitimate as anything else tags been thrashed about in this thread . Elite joypad too seems confirmed which was also shot down when someone else posted a link to it yesterday. Ho hum.

 

[BossDarkseid]

I hope during the Meeting or during press soon after they make it clear whether or not Neo will do anything for people without 4k displays. Phil Spencer said Scorpio wouldn't do anything for you if you didn't have one, but it'd be cool if Neo did.

Since the old pdf mentioned that developers could detect the display resolution and enable/disable some features that would suggest so.

 

[jmaine_ph]

Me too! The cover reveal 'trailer' had small glimpses of new footage. The new (?) location they showed looked awesome! The desert canyon looking area.

I didn't know there was a trailer. I'm going to look for it now.

 

[brickarts295]

Predictions

- Modest spec bump to get closer to competion
- affordable prices @ $249 $ $449 without bundles
- PSVR a big focus
- Renamed to something more mainstream
- A few titles showcased mostly from in house devs
- One big reveal from 3rd or first party
- Devs talking about what they can do with with the system
- PR repeating how systems complement each other
- Sales update

Excellent, let's all keep out damn hype in check, there's still TGS, PGS (still a maybe?) and PSX for game reveals and announcements. I want this meeting to be a lot of tech talk similar to the PS4 reveal.

 

[Darklor01]

Seriously? You treat that with a desmisive level is scepticism but jump on everything else. Seemed as legitimate as anything else tags been thrashed about in this thread . Elite joypad too seems confirmed which was also shot down when someone else posted a link to it yesterday. Ho hum.

Are you referring to the Elite pad from Target?

This thing says it is imported. Half the cost of the Xbox One Elite controller and the box says compatible with Xbox Elite Controller accessories.

Even though it exists, it's not a first party product.

 

[icespide]

Seriously? You treat that with a desmisive level is scepticism but jump on everything else. Seemed as legitimate as anything else tags been thrashed about in this thread . Elite joypad too seems confirmed which was also shot down when someone else posted a link to it yesterday. Ho hum.

why are you so defensive of gamepur DOT com?