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[NotSmartEnough]

I'm claiming that there won't be *enough* of these people for them to cause a significant dent in a publisher's game sales.

Honestly, how many people do you think are going to skip Red Dead 3 or Cyberpunk 2077 if they happen to play the exact same on OG PS4 and Neo? Enough people for the publishers to panic? I just disagree with that.

I can see both sides, but I think that there is a driver for developers to include an at least competent Neo mode.

Sure they want to minimise costs, but skimping on the Neo mode does introduce risk:

Say you're developing a racing game and you do the absolute minimum Neo mode to get certification. One of your competitors puts a bit more effort in than you, doesn't break the bank, but maybe goes for higher res or better effects.

You lose sales from Neo owners, but say "who cares, there aren't enough of them to make a dent". But your competitor uses Neo screenshots and videos to promote their game. DF and Gaf pore over the extra details, and speculate on what your game might have been if it wasn't for the "lazy devs". Word of mouth, perception.

Some vanilla PS4 owners will buy the Neo-enhanced game because they might be considering an upgrade in the future, because the screenshots look prettier, because the review scores are better, etc.

You can't look at in in isolation; once one developer starts pushing Neo mode it drags the rest along.

 

[usp84]

The show is at 10pm for me but i hope they are late as usual just for 15-20 minutes or else i am gonna miss the start(maybe reveal of NEO?)

 

[Marvel]

Some new Detroit footage would be nice

I recently had the opportunity to watch the same demo they had behind closed doors at E3 and it made way more hyped for the game

I'd LOVE to see more of Detroit.

 

[PS5]

Should we expect to see any true improvements in graphical quality beyond resolution and frame rate?

 

[wachie]

Loool. Half of SonyGaf goes to PC, the other to Scorpio.

I can understand going to PC but why to Scorpio.

Loool

6TF is going to be lower midrange (PC standards) by Holiday 2017.

 

[jeffc919]

If we're doing this, let's go big or go home:

5.2tflop, $499, January

Terrible bundle with several UHD Blu-rays you don't want

Games shown:
GoW and Detroit E3 demos in psuedo-4K
FFXV
Battlefield 1
Some indie with really basic graphics running in true 4K

I'd REALLY like to see Battlefield but I expect MS' marketing rights to it will not allow it.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

I can see both sides, but I think that there is a driver for developers to include an at least competent Neo mode.

Sure they want to minimise costs, but skimping on the Neo mode does introduce risk:

Say you're developing a racing game and you do the absolute minimum Neo mode to get certification. One of your competitors puts a bit more effort in than you, doesn't break the bank, but maybe goes for higher res or better effects.

You lose sales from Neo owners, but say "who cares, there aren't enough of them to make a dent". But your competitor uses Neo screenshots and videos to promote their game. DF and Gaf pore over the extra details, and speculate on what your game might have been if it wasn't for the "lazy devs". Word of mouth, perception.

Some vanilla PS4 owners will buy the Neo-enhanced game because they might be considering an upgrade in the future, because the screenshots look prettier, because the review scores are better, etc.

You can't look at in in isolation; once one developer starts pushing Neo mode it drags the rest along.

Yes that was also a point i was trying to make .
You don't want the perception of you not trying while other pubs are .
Cause as a neo owner i will be giving my money to pubs that put in effort .
So you will either lose the sale form me or i will buy it cheap .

 

[VincentMatts]

I can understand going to PC but why to Scorpio.

Loool

6TF is going to be lower midrange (PC standards) by Holiday 2017.

Because some people prefer having a smaller box hocked up to a TV couch and controller rather than putting a tower there. Plus xbox Live which is a great easy to use service wont be on pc for all games. I always buy my multiplatform games on the more powerful console. I dont do PC anymore.

 

[The God]

I can see both sides, but I think that there is a driver for developers to include an at least competent Neo mode.

Sure they want to minimise costs, but skimping on the Neo mode does introduce risk:

Say you're developing a racing game and you do the absolute minimum Neo mode to get certification. One of your competitors puts a bit more effort in than you, doesn't break the bank, but maybe goes for higher res or better effects.

You lose sales from Neo owners, but say "who cares, there aren't enough of them to make a dent". But your competitor uses Neo screenshots and videos to promote their game. DF and Gaf pore over the extra details, and speculate on what your game might have been if it wasn't for the "lazy devs". Word of mouth, perception.

Some vanilla PS4 owners will buy the Neo-enhanced game because they might be considering an upgrade in the future, because the screenshots look prettier, because the review scores are better, etc.

You can't look at in in isolation; once one developer starts pushing Neo mode it drags the rest along.

That sounds like an extremely rare scenario.

There's not going to be enough people skipping out on games they're excited for because the Neo mode doesn't deliver.

I don't see how any publisher will have their sales killed when the PS4 and XB1 will be the majority, aka the people who won't be getting upgraded games.

 

[Voror]

I'll have Amazon open on my phone all throughout the event, if this thing goes up for pre-order tomorrow I want to be on it right away because I think it's going to sell out really quickly.

Probably the same for me, though I'm still not sure who I want to preorder with though. BB and GS have the advantage in that I have things I can trade in along with a Amex gift card I can apply when as far as I know Amazon only lets you pay it all in one go.

 

[Venom Fox]

lmao.

Why's everyone trying to be an insider? They're embarrassing themselves

Who? I just see everyone making predictions.

 

[onQ123]

Why would I waste my time doing it again? The last time I did you never responded and yet continued to post the same BS because the concepts behind how silicon architecture affect floating point operation procedures are clearly out of your grasp.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=210802521&postcount=1999

Nobody who is telling you that you are wrong can have a proper debate with you when you lack basic university level knowledge on the subject you are posting post-graduate level patents and topics on.

So you're telling me that when you store 2 16-bit FP operations into 1 32-bit operation you're not doing 2 16-bit operations per clock?


5. The method of claim 1, wherein said compressing the vertex parameter values includes storing two floating point numbers together as one value having twice as many bits as each of the two floating point numbers.

6. The method of claim 5, wherein said compressing the vertex parameter values includes storing two 16-bit floating point numbers together as one 32-bit value.

 

[icespide]

So you're telling me that when you store 2 16-bit FP operations into 1 32-bit operation you're not doing 2 16-bit operations per clock?


5. The method of claim 1, wherein said compressing the vertex parameter values includes storing two floating point numbers together as one value having twice as many bits as each of the two floating point numbers.

6. The method of claim 5, wherein said compressing the vertex parameter values includes storing two 16-bit floating point numbers together as one 32-bit value.

Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?

 

[Qvoth]

probably will end up weaker than scorpio as rumoured

 

[Venom Fox]

That sounds like an extremely rare scenario.

There's not going to be enough people skipping out on games they're excited for because the Neo mode doesn't deliver.

I don't see how any publisher will have their sales killed when the PS4 and XB1 will be the majority, aka the people who won't be getting upgraded games.

Hate to jump in but you're fighting a 290 tickets to 200 tickets Conquest match.

 

[Midas]

probably will end up weaker than scorpio as rumoured

Yes it will. Scorpio is coming one year later, you know?

 

[Dahaka]

Yes it will. Scorpio is coming one year later, you know?

so that's why my Titan X is slower than the new Titan X.

Spoiler

/s ..I agree with you

 

[Maxey]

Not sure if this has been posted before but is the following teaser pic legit?

Or just something All Games Delta made up for their page?

http://www.allgamesdelta.net/2016/09/playstation-meeting-watch-live-tomorrow.html

 

[Putty]

Defo no higher than 4.2 mega flaps....Quote me, so i can then gloat ....or some shit like that...

 

[MchugN]

probably will end up weaker than scorpio as rumoured

I would honestly take what MS hypes with a grain of salt.

Spoiler

Remember the Cloud?

 

[BossDarkseid]

Not sure if this has been posted before but is the following teaser pic legit?

Or just something All Games Delta made up for their page?

http://www.allgamesdelta.net/2016/09/playstation-meeting-watch-live-tomorrow.html

It looks like a shadowed PS4 w/Vertical Stand + Ds4. Not liked the baked in Cerny cake we've been shown by Foxcomm Boy.

 

[Caayn]

My guess is that it's something made up for their page.

It looks like a shadowed PS4 w/Vertical Stand + Ds4. Not liked the baked in Cerny cake we've been shown by Foxcomm Boy.

It doesn't match the silhouette of a PS4 however. Look at the top middle and top left.

 

[Midas]

It looks like a shadowed PS4 w/Vertical Stand + Ds4. Not liked the baked in Cerny cake we've been shown by Foxcomm Boy.

Haha, yeah. It's the regular PS4 image - http://play3r.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/PlayStation4_1864x1048.jpg . You know it's close when people are looking for a hint in everything.

 

[Jonboy]

That PS Blog post from Sid seems so nonchalant, almost like they're trying to intentionally downplay things.

 

[Midas]

That PS Blog post from Sid seems so nonchalant, almost like they're trying to intentionally downplay things.

They're trying not to blow things out of proportion, which we like to do here at GAF.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

That PS Blog post from Sid seems so nonchalant, almost like they're trying to intentionally downplay things.

Howdy.

 

[FelipeMGM]

That PS Blog post from Sid seems so nonchalant, almost like they're trying to intentionally downplay things.

Its because its all a joke, Sony is closing PlayStation and starting a prank channel on YouTube, PSM is their debut prank video

Spoiler

This thread was turning to normal and reasonable discussions again, we need the crazy talk back

 

[NuKERxyz]

Almost at 24h from the event...

Were are dem leaks??

 

[duhmetree]

That PS Blog post from Sid seems so nonchalant, almost like they're trying to intentionally downplay things.

He's the hero we need... The ying to our yang

 

[Dreez]

Every PS4 Neo bundled with Kingsglaive in 4K 😜

 

[jdmonmou]

I would honestly take what MS hypes with a grain of salt.

Spoiler

Remember the Cloud?

I remember. My Xbox One was supposed to evolve into a console as powerful as 3 Xbox Ones with cloud computing. I didn't know at the time I'd have to buy the Scorpio to get that power :-(.

 

[duhmetree]

Almost at 24h from the event...

Were are dem leaks??

At this point, we're all probably better off waiting a day to get the flood of information.

I remember. My Xbox One was supposed to evolve into a console as powerful as 3 Xbox Ones with cloud computing. I didn't know at the time I'd have to buy the Scorpio to get that power :-(.

Marketing aka Propaganda... it actually worked

 

[anexanhume]

News to me.

Sorry you had to find out this way bro.

 

[wachie]

Because some people prefer having a smaller box hocked up to a TV couch and controller rather than putting a tower there. Plus xbox Live which is a great easy to use service wont be on pc for all games. I always buy my multiplatform games on the more powerful console. I dont do PC anymore.

I can say the same for Neo, which will be the primary platform because of install base.Not to mention the fact people will still get SFF and get more power out of them thanks to cards like 1060 ..

 

[lmbotiva]

Almost at 24h from the event...

Were are dem leaks??

Maybe because there's nothing to leak? I'm in the same boat at those who think there won't be a Neo announcement tomorrow, i think the big reveal would have been the slim ps4 and some gameplay videos of upcoming games

 

[StrongBlackVine]

They already shook hands. Battlefront's marketing has been with Sony from day 1.

Disney probably forced EA's hand on everything Star Wars related. I believe that is the only reason Sony will get those marketing rights.

 

[FinalStageBoss]

They're trying not to blow things out of proportion, which we like to do here at GAF.

It's ridiculous tbh, everyone will get pissed at Sony for not meeting their crazy predictions lol

 

[xXxDieselxXx]

No Leak = No mass production yet?

Meaning next year?

 

[- J - D -]

So close! I am ready to say goodbye to my ps4.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Sony wouldn't do a Meeting like this for just a slim announcement

 

[onQ123]

Inventors: Cerny; Mark Evan;

 

[McHuj]

Maybe because there's nothing to leak? I'm in the same boat at those who think there won't be a Neo announcement tomorrow, i think the big reveal would have been the slim ps4 and some gameplay videos of upcoming games

If that's the case, then Sony should have leaked that Neo won't be there as the hype is building everywhere to a Neo reveal.

 

[Hexa]

So you're telling me that when you store 2 16-bit FP operations into 1 32-bit operation you're not doing 2 16-bit operations per clock?


5. The method of claim 1, wherein said compressing the vertex parameter values includes storing two floating point numbers together as one value having twice as many bits as each of the two floating point numbers.

6. The method of claim 5, wherein said compressing the vertex parameter values includes storing two 16-bit floating point numbers together as one 32-bit value.

No? You're going to have to elaborate on what you mean because if you just take the bits of a two 16 bit FP and concatenate them, you don't get anything meaningful for operations. Like if you have 16 bit FPS A,B,C,D then A||C + B||D =/= (A+B)||(C+D)

 

[Noctis3]

Maybe because there's nothing to leak? I'm in the same boat at those who think there won't be a Neo announcement tomorrow, i think the big reveal would have been the slim ps4 and some gameplay videos of upcoming games

There is no way they do a PlayStation Meeting just to announce a slim version of the PS4.

 

[Hedrush]

Maybe because there's nothing to leak? I'm in the same boat at those who think there won't be a Neo announcement tomorrow, i think the big reveal would have been the slim ps4 and some gameplay videos of upcoming games

Why would Sony hold an event for a slim model PS4 tbough when they've never had an event for any of the other PlayStation slim models? The NEO will be shown, that's a certainty at this point.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

No Leak = No mass production yet?

Meaning next year?

The new PS4 wasn't leaked. Only when it was already in boxes.

 

[Jonboy]

They're trying not to blow things out of proportion, which we like to do here at GAF.

I understand not blowing it out of proportion. I dunno...it just felt like a post saying, "oh yeah, btw, this is happening."

Makes me think of the staff meeting scene in the original Toy Story, lol. "Oh and uhh, one minor note here, Andy's birthday party has been moved to today."

Howdy.

Sid?

 

[BossDarkseid]

I remember. My Xbox One was supposed to evolve into a console as powerful as 3 Xbox Ones with cloud computing. I didn't know at the time I'd have to buy the Scorpio to get that power :-(.

If you were ever familiar with misterxmedia he was also convinced the XB1 had a second gpu inside, DX12 capable that MS would unlock with a patch to pull ahead of Sony and it'd have all sorts of graphical techniques. Even when people did teardowns he said they'd missed something because it was hidden and supposedly provided his own image of the console showing the second GPU.

Cloud computing died pretty quick, but could always be cool.

 

[Raiden1018]

People over at the Red Dead Reddit are blowing things wayyy out of proportion.
Just because the PSBlog opened with "Howdy." lmao

 

[jdmonmou]

Marketing aka Propaganda... it actually worked

More like lies. Which is why I'm extremely skeptical about what Microsoft is saying about the Scorpio.