Why Isn't It a Bigger Deal That Trump Hasn't Released His Tax Returns?
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DragonSworne
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Because Hillary hasn't made a big deal out of it.
You could if you wanted to make a deflecting and equivocal argument.
First google result:
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/01/mitt-romney-speaking-fees-newt-gingrich
PumpkinSpice
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It's not news.
Trump Continues to Not Release Tax Returns is not a headline. There's no story. There's nothing to talk about. There's no ratings. Nothing.
Trump has been playing the media like a fiddle, using their rules against them at every turn.
Trump Continues to Not Release Tax Returns is not a headline. There's no story. There's nothing to talk about. There's no ratings. Nothing.
Trump has been playing the media like a fiddle, using their rules against them at every turn.
ryutaro's mama
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FTFY
Too busy coughing up a lung
Trump refuses to release tax returns amid public outrage is a headline -- but they still don't run with it. However, we continue to see email headlines even though that one has been beaten to death and the newest news is she didn't do anything.
One set of rules for boys, another set for girls.
SolidSnakex
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So why is Hillary and her camp going easy on him about it? Trump picks up on any little thing to pounce on her about, but you have revelation after revelation about Trump and people around him come up and Hillary really doesn't say much at all. She's basically got Trump like King Hippo holding onto his pants but she won't punch the fucking tape.
For what its worth, Hilary just said that she will continue to hound Trump on his tax returns, but I doubt it will do much good without having any further investigative reporting on Trump's businesses. Quite frankly, there's been enough speculation and discussion over the facts of what we do know about his business dealings. CNN just ran that story about Donald Trump's life which included some of his questionable business practices and bankruptcies.
There should absolutely be outrage, I agree. That I've had to spend months listening to the media dissect non-scandals like Hillary Clinton's emails and whether or not Bono got to meet with Secretary Clinton, while fucking Trump is allowed to NOT RELEASE HIS GODDAMN TAX RETURNS with impunity, drive me insane. Insane.
Orbis Tabula
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Because newspapers don't want to write the same story over and over for a dozens of days at a time. Every time it's brought up, it's "Trump continues to do the thing we expect him to do, and the thing he said he would do." How does that help?
PlayALLtheGames
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Trump says so much absurd shit so often, that one thing like tax returns can't take up enough time to become a big thing. The media has to keep up with all his shit-talking.
I hope Hillary hammers it at the debates.
I hope Hillary hammers it at the debates.
this King Hippo she's fighting have no pants on and doesn't give a shit about it. She's probably confused and trying not to look
excelsiorlef
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Of All Trades
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Because they don't need to go after him yet. Trump is still killing himself, why waste an attack now that can carry into the actual election when you can pull it out a few weeks in advance or during a debate or whatever?
The media "doesn't care" because he still generates a staggering amount of negative news on a weekly basis. The front page of WaPo last week was non-stop lambasting Trump over how he's basically betrayed what hispanic voters he still might have had. This week's theme so far is a combo of Fox News falling apart and Trump killing the GOP.
It's because Republicans are very good at spinning narratives around how bad democratic candidates are while Democrats are horrible at mudslinging which has lost us elections. The fact that John Kerry lost to Bush is still amazing to me.
There's no precedent for famous politicians giving speeches?
First of all, I would prefer if Trump released his taxes. But I'm not going to pretend that that's the most pressing issue I have with him. I already don't trust him and I have no incentive to vote for him.
Should he release them? Absolutely. But like I said...I'm probably not going to go on a war path on something I don't really care about (and something that wouldn't change my views about him)
What in the world....
How is this in anyway comparable to Hillary's bank speeches? I don't care if Hillary speaks at the Boys & Girls Club for $10 million. I do care, however, care if she's speaking at these banks that are throwing gobs of money at her.
This. There is no reason for anyone to jump on this. Hillary Camp is letting Trump cripple himself until they need to break it out, if they ever indeed need to, and the media wants a horserace.
It's not like there is some mechanism in place by which truth and reason reigns supreme here. It's literally all perception. There is a reason the term "optics" has become a thing this election cycle.
Why isn't it a bigger deal that Hillary hasn't released her transcripts?
It takes a special type to argue that someone has been too successful and made too much money to be trusted and then, as the alternative, choose to back Donald Trump.
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Because God forbid anyone in the media call Trump out, or they might be called "dishonest" or "rigged" or some crap. It doesn't help that all these networks allow his surrogates to be on every panel posing as analysts who prevent any sustained discussion. Instead, they just constantly bring up Hillary's emails or coughing when any question about Trump is brought up. It's really disgusting and, frankly, unethical.
Holy shit, man, seriously? We put up with a lot of your bullshit, but this really takes the cake. You're either being extremely dishonest or extremely stupid.
JoeyJungle
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edit: I'm totally wrong
original: Actually, I think he's correct about that. It's totally normal for former government officials to give these types of speeches, but Hillary is an outlier in that she gave them while holding the office of Secretary of State. I'm not sure that the situation is totally unprecedented, but it's definitely an outlier in modern politics.
I don't think that it directly affected any actions she took as Secretary of State, but it is unusual.
excelsiorlef
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No she didn't. She gave them after as in as a private citizen in 2013...
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She gave them after her tenure.
You really need to chill out. I'm obviously talking about BANK SPEECHES. And if you think I'm talking about speeches in general, I really don't know why. Nobody ever cared where she got her other money from (and by nobody, I'm talking about the questions asked during the debates and the primary). Being funded by Wall Street was, and always has been, the issue
Wit that said...this thread is about Trump's tax returns, and I was just responding to someone's post about the speeches. So I don't want to derail the thread from an important issue.
JoeyJungle
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Wow, I must've really mis-remembered the Slate Political Gabfest discussion about this from months ago. I could've sworn that was the irregularity that they were talking about, I don't know how I got that so wrong. Thanks for the correction.
Lord Frieza
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I actually don't feel like it's necessarily been marginalized, because it's been brought up multiple times from multiple news outlets, but there's really not a trial there to go down. It boils down to, "Trump hasn't released his tax returns. Why? He says it's an audit? But still, why hasn't he released them? Why?"
And that's really the end of the story. The thing with Hillary and the e-mails, for instance, continues to be harped on because it seems like every other week we're hearing about a batch of "new" leaked e-mails. Sure, it's nothing pretty much every single time, but it is the illusion of something fresh to keep that story in circulation. With Trump's tax returns, it's just like there's no real new development there because Trump has all the cards in that discussion. Either he releases them, or he doesn't. And there doesn't really seem to be anyone seemingly out to leak Trump's information, so it's just out there, somewhere.
I mean, I guess I do feel like there needs to be more outrage, but at the same time I also see why news outlets haven't continuously hit at it either, since there's really not a lot of fresh material to play on there.
And that's really the end of the story. The thing with Hillary and the e-mails, for instance, continues to be harped on because it seems like every other week we're hearing about a batch of "new" leaked e-mails. Sure, it's nothing pretty much every single time, but it is the illusion of something fresh to keep that story in circulation. With Trump's tax returns, it's just like there's no real new development there because Trump has all the cards in that discussion. Either he releases them, or he doesn't. And there doesn't really seem to be anyone seemingly out to leak Trump's information, so it's just out there, somewhere.
I mean, I guess I do feel like there needs to be more outrage, but at the same time I also see why news outlets haven't continuously hit at it either, since there's really not a lot of fresh material to play on there.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Crooked Donald.
old manatee
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No one on 4chan pays taxes, so it doesn't affect his base of support.
Why isn't it a bigger deal that Hillary hasn't released her transcripts?
Better question why can't she drive? Does she hate cars?
Escape Goat
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Liberals want to make it a bigger deal. Abuela certainly does, and she'll bring up tax returns in the debates.
But at certain point, there's just not much for the media to focus on. They report that DJT hasn't released his tax returns, state his reason(s), then that's about it.
What more can be done/reported on? DJT essentially holds all the cards on this issue. All that could've been discussed on the issue has already been done, and until he releases them, that's about it.
But at certain point, there's just not much for the media to focus on. They report that DJT hasn't released his tax returns, state his reason(s), then that's about it.
What more can be done/reported on? DJT essentially holds all the cards on this issue. All that could've been discussed on the issue has already been done, and until he releases them, that's about it.
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They've been submitted by every presidential candidate since Nixon, so over 40 years.
It's important because it allows us to see where a person's income is coming from, what tax rate they pay, if they are being honest about how much they make, charitable contributions, etc.
Or the media can do their damn jobs and actually try to do some investigative journalism.
Yekshemesh
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They don't have time. They're too busy having Trump surrogates on TV demanding to see Crooked Shillary's medical records.
Lord Frieza
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This really isn't true, and I don't know where this narrative is coming from, unless all you're watching is right-wing media. The general media has actually become very hard on Trump, his campaign, and his surrogates. The panel discussions you're talking about always end up being a Trump surrogate being completely bodied by everyone else on the likes of CNN and MSNBC, for instance. Briana Keiler was waging basically a one woman army against Trump aids and their bullshit when she was sitting in for Wolf on The Situation Room. And the Trump campaign has been called out multiple times because of his flip-flopping and all that shit.
Are they as hard as they should be? No, I will concede to that. The interview Anderson Cooper had with Trump after his bigotry comment is a good example, he should have pressed Trump much harder than he did instead of just asking the same question 6 times.
Are they trying too hard to make this into a race by covering Clinton's negatives? Yes, I agree there, too.
But no one outside the right-wing media is just giving Trump a pass, especially since the general election started. It could be better in that sense, but all you have to do is go to YouTube and you'll see plenty of criticism towards Trump, his surrogates, and his campaign. It may not be as hard-hitting as you want, or as it should be, but it's still there.
Half the speeches listed for Romney in the link I gave you that took all of no effort to find were to businesses in the financial sector and you brushed them off.
One of them was to Barclay's. Which is, you know, a bank.
There's no problem with having qualms with Clinton's ties to the financial sector. There is, however, a problem in levying so transparent a double standard against her under the aegis of false facts you can't take the five minutes it would require to disabuse yourself of.
Tranqueris
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The Media: "Ugh, listen, just let us take Hillary down another 3-4 points with these 'Hillary did nothing wrong but it looks shady' articles and then we promise we'll look into it. #DeadHeat2016!"
Is that an unemployed loser joke, or a too rich and evasive to pay taxes joke.
First of all, why are you using Mitt Romney as an example? He wants to do away with Wall Street reform. That's like you calling me hypocritical for me not asking for a Klan member said at a rally.
Do we really need to know what they said?
Now if another DEMOCRAT was swimming in bank money like Hillary is, that would be an entirely different story. Which is why the Wall Street speeches is even a story in the first place.
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More likely a too young to have a job joke.
You can work before you can vote, so I don't get it.
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