You mean the guy that held a GDC talk about diversity in games? A talk that apparently ended with a standing ovation? 🤔
Games ruined by creator's politics
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I'll buy it used olo
None for me. If a game is something I'm interested in, I could care less about a creator's politics provided said politics aren't a big part of the game. Stuff like Armikrog, Shadow Complex and Dragon Quest included. I say that as a Bi Jewish woman.
If anything, the opposite direction (politics injected into the game to a great capacity) is what turns me off. I didn't try Undertale for the longest time because I kept seeing it described as "tumblr-bait".
If anything, the opposite direction (politics injected into the game to a great capacity) is what turns me off. I didn't try Undertale for the longest time because I kept seeing it described as "tumblr-bait".
Intheflorsh
Banned
Oh, it's a "SJWs are the real racists" thing. Gotcha.
charlequin
Banned
This isn't bannable, you should just really be personally embarrassed of yourself that this is a thing that you thought, and then that you didn't immediately go "wow that was silly, I should maybe be able to tolerate one gay relationship in a game once," and then that you thought this foolish position was something it was useful and worthwhile to share with other people instead of keeping it to yourself.
No, nobody "needs" to do that. This claim that art MUST be consumed entirely outside of context and without consideration of any real-world factors is bizarre, and also not something anyone actually believes once you replace "politics" with "business practices" or "platform selection" or whatever else people post giant threads about here.
What the.. that is the first I've heard of this. That is insane.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
That's literally a GG youtube channel with such drivel likes as How Social Justice Hate Mobs Work and Hillary's Health MEDIA Conspiracy EXPOSED
Son really?
jim-jam bongs
Member
BossDarkseid
Member
???
Who?
For me...I can't really think of an example of a game where I've been put off due to the creator's politics, but mainly because half the time I don't delve into it, form a BTS point of view. If an idea or message is conveyed in game then yeah, I can't think of an example off the top of my head but I know my opinion on a few games has been soured because of a moment, scene etc.
I had no idea about the DQ composer guy.
As for Ken Levine...I don't think in that interview he was trying to say that these things are 100% happening all the time in real life, just as a concept it's worth exploring in a story. He said that Andrew Ryan and BioShock 1 was easier for him to write vs Infinite, but I don't think he meant to say anything beyond exploring a concept. The bolded bit was the interviewer's question anyway, but I still don't know if I understand it or not.
Glass Rebel
Member
"With every minor detail having some racial element to it, one must wonder what this means for Mass Effect: Andromeda"
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Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
True, true...however, he DOES have a mug that reads "white tears". So he clearly is a racist.
It's not easy being a white man nowadays *sigh*
(I should probably say that this is sarcasm, though it really pains me that I have to)
Vigilant Walrus
Member
The Fez guy! I've not played it nor have I followed mr. Fish but I know he was talked about a lot in a negative light. But on the other hand people always said the game was good so you cannot say the game was ruined. But I do think the first thing people think about when they think of Fez, is him. So you might say the games legacy has been tarnished by him.
I uh I uh. Uh. Is this satire. What's going on.
It wasn't him who said this, though. The link you provided clearly puts this quote in the interviewer's mouth.
It wouldn't even make sense for him to say "you created a game", it's his game.
Not that this should change the way you think about Infinite, but fair's fair.
KillaKalz347
Banned
Halo 2
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
If he took back his statements from a decade ago and made a complete 180, you'd have a point. If he still stands by his claims from a decade ago, then who cares if they were made a decade ago or today?
What the fuck, is this for real?
For one, having a same-sex relationship in a story isn't a political statement. And for another, it's off-topic, because you'd be rejecting a game for its contents, not the political views of its creator.
What a terrible post.
andythinkpad
Member
Is he scoring GQXI? I hope not I am really looking forward to it.
poodaddy
Member
Huh? Why would you think I was jumping on you? Nah man you didn't say anything remotely out there to me, such is why I never quoted you. The people I was referring to were all banned lol, well except the dude who made a little implication that he hates the U.S. Army but refused to elaborate when I asked him to. It's probably for the best as I've a slight bias anyway as a vet, but no man I got nothing against you, sorry for the miscommunication
AntraxSuicide
Banned
Not exactly political, but after Kotaku's expose on Denis Dyack being a super hostile employer, I always feel weird when playing Too Human (yes I'm one of the 4 people that likes it).
Glass Rebel
Member
"Could you imagine if someone on their professional twitter account, linked to their business, said that they wouldn't move to an area because there are a lot of black people?"
could you gaf
could you
could you gaf
could you
purseowner
Member
This is NeoGAF.com. Are you lost?
All one of them? Which was free?
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
Care to elaborate?
He's pervy, but I've never perceived him to be misogynistic in the slightest. He's an equal-opportunity pervert, too, given how much beefcake he manages to get into his games to go along with the cheesecake.
they are not allowed to think that here?
Came to say this, also if you want to see how much social progress we've made over the past 8 years in terms of people's attitudes towards LGBT, those 2008 GAF threads are a great start. Insane some of the posts in that thread didn't result in bans.
Fuck this thread is making them come out of the woodworks isn't it? :lol
I just heard "Could you imagine what happened if I tweeted my actual (racist) opinion!?". The Bioware dev is clearly extremely tongue in cheek, I don't even wanna know half the shit he's probably endured due to not being a white dude
I just heard "Could you imagine what happened if I tweeted my actual (racist) opinion!?". The Bioware dev is clearly extremely tongue in cheek, I don't even wanna know half the shit he's probably endured due to not being a white dude
Wtf
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
Awesome, now my Youtube recommendations are going to be flooded the Gamergate videos.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Yo, that entire channel is fucking hysterical. I wouldn't watch any of the videos, but I enjoy reading the titles.
Edit: Oh, you are gone already.
Oh.....oh no.....
petran79
Banned
Akira - Amiga version
http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/kusoge/kusoge-akira.htm
But how did it all go wrong? The Akira source material is so rich that game development should have been easy. Developed by ICE Software in the UK, I managed to track down almost everyone involved. Unsurprisingly all were keen to distance themselves
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Curiously no one wanted to remember their days at ICE Software. During my research though, I managed to find someone willing to talk. He revealed interesting things about Deborah Isaac, head of production on Akira, and Stuart Bell, head of the company. For said person's safety I agree to quote them anonymously: "Ah, Akira was developed before I joined. Deborah Isaac... well she ran the company with her husband Stuart Bell. They let the company go bust before they told us, after various excuses about why wages weren't paid. My opinion of them isn't high. 'Manage their way out of', and 'wet paper bag' spring to mind..."
I acquired the phone number for a D. Isaac and a Stewart D. Bell, in Warminster. Phoning up I got hold of a woman, and politely asked if she was Deborah Isaac from ICE Software. She hung up. Next day I phoned again and asked about ICE Software, and the woman whispered to a man in the background: "It's that guy asking about ICE Software again." After which I heard the man in the background scream: "TELL HIM TO FUCK OFF!!!" They hung up.
So there you have it, readers. Is it any wonder Akira on the Amiga ended up being so appallingly shit when you have people like that in charge of it?
http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/kusoge/kusoge-akira.htm
But how did it all go wrong? The Akira source material is so rich that game development should have been easy. Developed by ICE Software in the UK, I managed to track down almost everyone involved. Unsurprisingly all were keen to distance themselves
.........................................................................................................................................
Curiously no one wanted to remember their days at ICE Software. During my research though, I managed to find someone willing to talk. He revealed interesting things about Deborah Isaac, head of production on Akira, and Stuart Bell, head of the company. For said person's safety I agree to quote them anonymously: "Ah, Akira was developed before I joined. Deborah Isaac... well she ran the company with her husband Stuart Bell. They let the company go bust before they told us, after various excuses about why wages weren't paid. My opinion of them isn't high. 'Manage their way out of', and 'wet paper bag' spring to mind..."
I acquired the phone number for a D. Isaac and a Stewart D. Bell, in Warminster. Phoning up I got hold of a woman, and politely asked if she was Deborah Isaac from ICE Software. She hung up. Next day I phoned again and asked about ICE Software, and the woman whispered to a man in the background: "It's that guy asking about ICE Software again." After which I heard the man in the background scream: "TELL HIM TO FUCK OFF!!!" They hung up.
So there you have it, readers. Is it any wonder Akira on the Amiga ended up being so appallingly shit when you have people like that in charge of it?
charlequin
Banned
Just to be clear, Chair the company are based in Utah so I wouldn't assume they're in the clear personally; however, they are quiet about their positions whatever they are and weren't above hiring PAD to do the script so I wouldn't assume anything negative automatically either.
Politics. Says politics right in the title.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
I mean, it's not banworthy or anything but what the fuck does it actually mean
She made a game about depression, which it's doubtful old boy played, and her "politics" are "don't harass me or other please"
What's the endgame
Think 'what' exactly?
disappeared
Banned
Hoo boy, this thread.
Aarglefarg
Member
But remember it's about ethics not politics.
Zomba13
Member
I try to separate it where I can. I mean, I'm not going to actively support someone who is homophobic, racist, sexist or a horrible person but if I've bought the game before knowing that then I'm not going to let that hinder my enjoyment of the game. I may choose not to buy future games that person has worked on but I'm not going to let it impact my enjoyment of a game.
charlequin
Banned
I don't want to beat around the bush in a semantic argument here, so more or less the answer is approximately "no."
Garrett Hawke
Member
Zoe Quinn's personal life and unsubstantiated rumours about it are not "video games coverage".
Glass Rebel
Member
fuck now I gotta buy mass effect andromeda and I really don't like mass effect
Jacksonlee
Member
i don't delve too much into the developer's lives or views when i play games, but if i do know that they're shitty people, i'll be aware of it when playing/paying for their games. whatever that means.
on the other side of the coin, i loved playing Bioshock because ken levine, so i guess i can refuse to play a game because the guy is a douche or he tries to push his political agenda, in a negative way.
that comment about homosexuality by a poser above was odd...consider reflecting on what made you say that
on the other side of the coin, i loved playing Bioshock because ken levine, so i guess i can refuse to play a game because the guy is a douche or he tries to push his political agenda, in a negative way.
that comment about homosexuality by a poser above was odd...consider reflecting on what made you say that
Was talking about his thoughts on the game which the developer acted like a crybaby about.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
Being apart of hate group harassing Zoe Quinn definitely isn't. It's just a matter if he'll actually admit that.
Edit: Charle doing God's work.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Oh, ok. Please disregard my post.
Lunarwhale
Member
oh shoot, totally misread the article at that point. Thanks for the heads up, edited my post to reflect it.
Doctor Ironic
Member
This video gets posted all the time, so it's a shame that it's actually extremely dumb.
If you don't include a creator's politics in your judgment of something, then that's totally valid, but there's this revisionist narrative going on trying to excuse Phil Fish for his behavior or otherwise insist that he's not a jerk at all. But nobody provoked Phil Fish to say that PCs are "meant for spreadsheets," and nobody provoked him to brag to PC gamers about how many sales the PC version was getting despite his comments. Nobody provoked him to tell someone that his entire nation's creative output sucked. Nobody prompted him to tell people to kill themselves or make death threats at his business partner.
Explaining this away as the actions of someone who wasn't meant for the spotlight being thrust into it is operating under the (even more insulting to him) assumption that Phil can't be responsible for his own actions. What wound up happening to Phil was inexcusable and I wouldn't wish that on anybody, but the fact remains that Phil Fish was a bully. He was a bully of his own choices and his own volition. Even if we ignore the things he did that were overexaggerated reactions, he went out of his way to hurt people completely unprompted on multiple occasions.
For the record, I played Fez and enjoyed it. There are developers I won't deal with due to their thoughts and actions anymore, though. Randy Pitchford continually lied to his playerbase to attract sales, I fell for them, and I won't anymore. I won't buy games from any developer that associates themselves with Gamergate (Running With Scissors, Spicy Horse/American McGee, whoever made Huniepop). And David Cage can basically just fuck off.
Jacksonlee
Member
i have no idea who Zoe Quinn is; should i play the game she made ?
i dont really want to get into this but can someone post a brief summry of whats the deal with this dev
i dont really want to get into this but can someone post a brief summry of whats the deal with this dev