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Politico: Paul Ryan will repeal Obamacare, defund Planned Parenthood if Trump wins
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VendettaRed07
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Yeah. His biggest, most surprising win in the Primaries was Michigan.
I have zero confidence Bernie would have the appeal or the ability to organize a ground game effective enough to overcome Trump's brand and 100% name recognition.
Dash_Riprock
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I don't know how any sane person can keep spouting this bullshit when the guy lost the nom. Clearly he didn't motivate people enough.
Dude Abides
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But he isn't even a Democrat.
He did and does have more appeal to young people. No denying that. But young people aren't the only component of the Democratic coalition. It's just as important to mobilize non-whites, where he is much less strong.
VendettaRed07
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Because they lost the fight on abortion itself so they are fighting anything related to it that they possibly can and to prove to their voters that they are fighting for something and have a meaningful cause.
Davey Cakes
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I guess my overall point is that Bernie is the best voice the DNC has to keep people interested in going to the polls, not just for the general election but for midterms and local elections too. He may not have been realistically electable himself, but he's always been great at stressing the importance of voting.
He's an important resource to the DNC because of this.
Which is why the DNC has to double down on giving him the stage. That's all I'm saying. There's a lot of work to do in terms of getting everyone to vote in their best interests.
It doesn't matter that he's not even a Democrat. Unless I'm forgetting something, the independents still matter and SOMEHOW there are still fence-sitters out there.
you mean the least reliable voting group in the country?
synchronicity
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Why don't we just divide the country in half. Those who identify as hard core conservative can take a half and those who identify as liberal can take a half, and both regions are guaranteed correlating policy/government...NO MOVING BETWEEN REGIONS! 
(The moderates can take Alaska/Hawaii
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(The moderates can take Alaska/Hawaii
)A wet shirt could beat Trump. hillary is the second most disliked candidate to ever be nominated since they have started tracking favorability (after Trump). If she can figure out how to beat Trump pretty handily, anyone else could do the same. Trump is just democratic electoral gold.
IMO, Hillary would be in a very tight race against any semi-moderate Republican.
Edit: Also, Bernie is a Democrat now. Iirc he announced an intention to remain within the party for the future. I have come around to thinking Hillary will be a more effective President than Bernie would be, and I like most of the changes to her policies, but I think it's silly to act like Bernie would have just bumbled around and lost to Trump.
You just described exactly what happened. The GOP base doesn't want the government to fund a "baby killing service".
SoRuffShoNuff
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The Democrats are basically playing a stall game at this point. The Republicans will eventually find a candidate that can deliver them the White House and with liberals aversion to voting in midterms when that happens they will roll back as many progressive ideas as they can, full bore. Only thing that will stand in their way is if Hillary can get two Supreme Court Justices in place during her term.
Spoiled Milk
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Paul von Hindenburg also thought he could put a monster in power and control him.
LegendofJoe
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This is all that needs to be said. Get your asses off the couch and get out to vote for Hillary on November 8th.
n00bsauce87
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Another reason why we need Hilary to win. As if the other reasons weren't good enough.
The Lamonster
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Republican politicians and republican voters keep pushing me closer into "fuck it, I want to watch the world burn" territory.
You mean they're turning you into a Republican?
I worry about 2020 for this reason. Unless Hillary starts to become very popular, the Republicans can probably beat her in her reelection year.
stupid is as stupid does
afternoon delight
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If taking away affordable healthcare for 3m+ people who were too poor to afford it is evil...
If re-instating pre-existing conditions clauses for healthcare coverage is evil...
If discriminating on basis of religion, skin color, gender, sexual orientation or physical or mental ability is evil...
If putting more emphasis on 100% freedom to buy any kind of gun at any time with no restrictions whatsoever, rather than safety for our children is evil...
If putting more importance on corporate profit and the top 1% elite low taxes, rather than having quality affordable public education and safety nets for the poor, sick and elderly is evil...
If considering that free market and corporate greed are more important than clean air and water, safe food and drugs, and reducing globally impacting changes (pollution, climate change..) is evil...
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Then without a doubt, as loathe as I am to normally use that word, Republicans are Evil and Trump is one of the worst there is.
If re-instating pre-existing conditions clauses for healthcare coverage is evil...
If discriminating on basis of religion, skin color, gender, sexual orientation or physical or mental ability is evil...
If putting more emphasis on 100% freedom to buy any kind of gun at any time with no restrictions whatsoever, rather than safety for our children is evil...
If putting more importance on corporate profit and the top 1% elite low taxes, rather than having quality affordable public education and safety nets for the poor, sick and elderly is evil...
If considering that free market and corporate greed are more important than clean air and water, safe food and drugs, and reducing globally impacting changes (pollution, climate change..) is evil...
...
Then without a doubt, as loathe as I am to normally use that word, Republicans are Evil and Trump is one of the worst there is.
Nomadic Sparks
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""""Moderate or reasonable republican""""""
Define moderate republican?
You mean a Republican that does want all the disabled people living off the streets, after they destroy SSI?
Or do you mean moderate republican happy with the struggle that is the status quo?
For a Republican to be moderate, they would have think Obama is not racist or a muslim.
That's a bridge too far for this republican party.
And if Trump is any indication, they will all still be associated with the stupidity of Trump or the GOP.
Define moderate republican?
You mean a Republican that does want all the disabled people living off the streets, after they destroy SSI?
Or do you mean moderate republican happy with the struggle that is the status quo?
For a Republican to be moderate, they would have think Obama is not racist or a muslim.
That's a bridge too far for this republican party.
And if Trump is any indication, they will all still be associated with the stupidity of Trump or the GOP.
Nomadic Sparks
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I just hope that Hillary doesn't raid SSI for any reason
The whole Social Security thing confuses me...so many old people support the republicans (like my grandmother) but so many rely on social security (like my grandmother, literally her only money)...i don't get it...
Megadragon15
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Sounds like a plan which is better than no plan at all.
gutter_trash
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I don't get the ''something something both sides are the same'' people either.
there is so much lack of empathy among some voters that I believe they are nihilists
Free markets are the best markets for everything, because that has worked out so well over the past several decades for those not near the top. It's basically more carry over from the Tea Party and Reagenomics.
I think they will. They learned theirs lesson from 2008-2010.
He never said he wanted to solve any of it.
Pretty much of all this.
God, that makes me terrified. I want Republicans to be wiped out. Politically speaking.
He's basically admitting that he doesn't want to cooperate with Democrats. Which is fine, I don't want to cooperate with the extremism of Republicans either. I want them to be absolutely kicked out of government in all senses of the word so that actual progress can be done.
A Pence presidency would be disastrous for women and LGBT americans. Not to mention it would most likely be even worse when it comes to foreign policy. And the right-wing's failed economic policies would continue to ruin the middle and lower classes. And health-care would become even more of a for-profit business. And our police-state problem wouldn't go away and etc. etc. etc....ugh.
Angelus Errare
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Something something conscience, something something not 100% representative of me something something Jill Stein
Pai Pai Master
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Yep I'm far more terrified of a Pence campaign run in 2020 than this joke of a candidate Trump. Pence would likely have built up a lot of political capital in his party for trying to manage this shitstorm, and he is capable of coming across as a reasonable human being to the uninformed voter.
Thankfully a Clinton presidency would provide us with judges who would not allow Pence's anti-LGBT agenda to get pushed through, but it's still scary to think about. This guy who is running for VP right now and could run for President in 2020, actually thinks that my sexual behavior needs to be "cured" and wants to allow the government to pay for that tortuous bullshit process they try to call "therapy."
Thankfully a Clinton presidency would provide us with judges who would not allow Pence's anti-LGBT agenda to get pushed through, but it's still scary to think about. This guy who is running for VP right now and could run for President in 2020, actually thinks that my sexual behavior needs to be "cured" and wants to allow the government to pay for that tortuous bullshit process they try to call "therapy."
gutter_trash
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I agree, Pence is 100x scarier than Trump.
He is clearly playing for 2020 or if Trump wins, get him impeached and take his place
He is clearly playing for 2020 or if Trump wins, get him impeached and take his place
State funded abortion and offering contraception to younger people which is perceived as encouraging premarital sex.
SoRuffShoNuff
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Listen carefully, when Republicans talk about social security reform they are careful to always say that current seniors have nothing to worry about. A lot of seniors don't give a shit about social security in the future as long as they continue to get theirs in the present.
It's a part of their "fuck you, got mine" mentality.
Vicetrailia
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I remember some poster making a thread asking why "Fuck you, I got mine" is wrong. Well it is pretty clear now isn't it.
And the most infuriating thing about this is that you have loud mouth dumb ass "progressives" like Jimmy Dore, The Young Turks and the Bernie coalition that think that allowing Trump to win will somehow galvanize the left and in 2020 we'll be ready to fight back. How would that ever happen if they couldn't defeat him now!? You don't run to the danger when its right in front of you and is hope fir the best after the fact. This election would have been a wrap if we didn't allow our new left Tea Party to exist with their burn it all down rhetoric.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Good thing Trump's not winning!
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The problem is that most of these things have existed for the last few years anyways.
The people calling for 'revolution' are fucking idiots.
EatinOlives
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This is why the bullshit claim that "a Trump presidency wouldn't be that bad because checks and balances and wouldn't get anything done!" is just that, bullshit.
If Trump wins he will have pulled off essentially a miracle, getting to the White House with zero experience, terrible ground game, no debate prep, no platform, and spouting the most vile and hateful shit that pops in his head at any given time. He will have won against all odds, despite almost never beating Hillary at the polls and trailing behind her as recently as a mere month before the election. He will have won purely on the white uneducated voter alone, without any of the help of any minorities.
If any Republican witnesses this they will have found their new Jesus. They'd trip over themselves to fawn over Trump so fast, because he will have won them the presidency against the odds of reality itself. You better believe they would cooperate him as freely as possible. Not that Trump wants to do any of the work either, he'd just defer everything to the party and let them run the entire country.
If Trump wins he will have pulled off essentially a miracle, getting to the White House with zero experience, terrible ground game, no debate prep, no platform, and spouting the most vile and hateful shit that pops in his head at any given time. He will have won against all odds, despite almost never beating Hillary at the polls and trailing behind her as recently as a mere month before the election. He will have won purely on the white uneducated voter alone, without any of the help of any minorities.
If any Republican witnesses this they will have found their new Jesus. They'd trip over themselves to fawn over Trump so fast, because he will have won them the presidency against the odds of reality itself. You better believe they would cooperate him as freely as possible. Not that Trump wants to do any of the work either, he'd just defer everything to the party and let them run the entire country.
entremet
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Fuck you got mine?
And the GOP won't touch SS because of the older voting bloc. They tried with Bush II when he had GOP majorities in Congress and it fizzled out due to the backlash.
The elderly are a reliable voting bloc, so they get theirs. Young folks could learn from them.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Your candidate is among the most controversial in the last century, the makeup of SCOTUS for the next generation is on the line, and you decided inflame this election even more by telling poor people and women to go fuck themselves a month before voting.
That's a pretty bold strategy, Paul. Let's see if that works for you.
That's a pretty bold strategy, Paul. Let's see if that works for you.
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