I mean I play doubles but I don't really see Char X that much. It would be more surprising if someone did Mega into him.
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Pokémon Sun & Moon | Info and speculation thread
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I mean I play doubles but I don't really see Char X that much. It would be more surprising if someone did Mega into him.
ArchedThunder
Banned
The Chinese Riddler thing that has me most interested is the image with a bunch of old Pokemon menu sprites with some greyed out, I hope the theory that the greyed out Pokemon are getting Alolan forms is true.
The comment about us still not knowing everything about the starters still is interesting.
Your first 4 are fine, though I don't necessarily agree with them, but Scizor has no place on that list. I'll list the Pokemon who had the biggest impact on the (official) Gen 6 meta in the Singles, Doubles and Triples formats(I haven't been able to play Rotation enough sadly), with the mon with the biggest impact at the top.
Singles
1. Mega Kangaskhan
2. Mega Salamence aka broken piece of shit
3. Aegislash
4. Mega Gengar
4. Talonflame/Mega Blaziken(this is a coin toss depending on how you measure impact)
Doubles
1. Mega Kangaskhan
2. Mega Salamence aka still a broken piece of shit
3. Aegislash
4. Mega Charizard Y
5. Talonflame
Triples
1. Sylveon
2. Mega Kangaskhan
3. Talonflame
4. Aegislash
5. Mega Charizard Y
Lol no.
Iin singles you might be able to make an argument for Zard X, but Zard Y is just flat out better and more useful in other formats. Drought is King.
Not75Drops
Member
I still wonder who's working on the soundtrack. Maybe since Masuda isn't directing the game, he's gone back to working more closely on the music.
Munch Poke
Member
All I play is doubles personally but it depends on if I'm doing a free or rating battle. In free battles you're going to run into nothing but Primal forms and due to that it kinda negates how well Y's drought ability works. So I'll generally run X to take advantage of Groudons sun or outrage on a Kyogre/Rayquaza.
In ratings battles I've had much more success using Char Y. Without those Primals he shines.
Aaronrules380
Member
I'd put mega Mariel above talonflame/m-blaziken in singles, since unlike talonflame m mawilenwas banished to smogon ubers, and m blaziken is really not much better/ different to existing speed boost blaziken
PadWarrior
Member
I'm very interested in him. Curious to see if it evolves.
Not75Drops
Member
So there's some interesting points here from Pokebeach about the TCG sets for Sun/Moon.
While it's hardly confirmation of anything, I think most of us were already expecting the number of new Pokemon to be closer to XY.
It also says that there's no new Mega cards being introduced in this set either.
While it's hardly confirmation of anything, I think most of us were already expecting the number of new Pokemon to be closer to XY.
It also says that there's no new Mega cards being introduced in this set either.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Makes sense, that one leak said there would only be a few more new Pokemon than XY, so probably in the 80s.
40 new Pokémon including Alolan forms sounds a tad too conservative. That is to say, the first XY set had 40 new Pokémon not including Mega Evolutions. Hopefully, that simply means they will roll them out on a slower pace, and not that new 'mons will overall be fewer than even XY.
Incidentally, it is pretty clear now that moving forward they are interested in adding new Pokémon with every release. It was Mega Evolutions in ORAS, it will be regional variants in the second Generation VII game. This is a good model, as it adds a layer of freshness in every release without degrading the importance of completely new Pokémon (by releasing them essentially yearly). And unlike Mega Evolutions which were limited to competitive play, variants will keep the regions' ecosystems interesting throughout the generation.
Diprosalic
Banned
Less than XY would ruin this game for me.
If this trend continuous i might be done with Pokemon and it's my number 1 favorite series of all time.
If this trend continuous i might be done with Pokemon and it's my number 1 favorite series of all time.
Charizard Y can absolutely tear doubles teams in half if you use him as a late game sweeper. He got me to third place in the XY Gaf Tourney.
GiantBreadbug
Member
Agree that it would be a pretty huge disappointment, and that being conservative with adding new Pokémon is a horrible direction for the franchise.
Mawile is good but Talonflame has had a much bigger impact on the meta overall due to the number of Pokemon he has rendered unusable.
Probably Wednesday
Not75Drops
Member
Well Sun/Moon is currently at 48 revealed Pokemon so far including Cutiefly's evolution and excluding the Ultra Beasts, compared to XY's 42 pre-release (including Trevenant). Unless they go the ORAS route again and reveal everything, I still think the SM will have more Pokemon overall than XY, but not by much (around 10-15 more).
Cloud Strife
Member
Same here.
GiantBreadbug
Member
I think probably ~100 new and ~30 Alolan forms isn't asking for too much. I'm gonna remain cautiously optimistic about this for now. But again, this series does NOT need to start going in the direction of fewer and fewer Pokémon per gen.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
I find some of the Alolan forms more interesting than new Pokemon. I'd be down for half new Pokemon, half Alola forms.
I am gonna wait and see if Alola has a low Pokémon count and how it will affect the game and my team.
But I will say this, I wasn't happy with Kalos pitiful 72 new Pokémon, with only one cross gen evolution and depending how Alola end result I won't be happy either.
Agreed, Kalos was very lacking in some types one which affected my playthrough as I didn't have much of an option with Electric type or bug type. Ground type users were also out of luck.
The worse part for me was breaking the tradition of having a legendary trio in favour of gen 1 pandering by bringing back the Kanto legendary birds.
In fact due to the fact that older Pokémon out number the newer Pokémon it felt like that the Kalos Pokémon didn't get a chance to shine and for the first time in the series I found it difficult to remember them as I was seeing them less often.
Agreed, Alola form and Mega do not count as new Pokémon and anyone who says that they do is just fooling themselves.
But I will say this, I wasn't happy with Kalos pitiful 72 new Pokémon, with only one cross gen evolution and depending how Alola end result I won't be happy either.
Agreed, Kalos was very lacking in some types one which affected my playthrough as I didn't have much of an option with Electric type or bug type. Ground type users were also out of luck.
The worse part for me was breaking the tradition of having a legendary trio in favour of gen 1 pandering by bringing back the Kanto legendary birds.
In fact due to the fact that older Pokémon out number the newer Pokémon it felt like that the Kalos Pokémon didn't get a chance to shine and for the first time in the series I found it difficult to remember them as I was seeing them less often.
Agreed, Alola form and Mega do not count as new Pokémon and anyone who says that they do is just fooling themselves.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Gen II has Espeon. Every gen has added a new cat. Not necessarily normal type though.
Don't worry, that won't happen.
Funnily enough, i am more open to accept Alola forms as new Pokemon than megas.
Alola forms have no restrictions whatsoever to how i wanna use them. I can't do a team full of mega pokemon, but i can do a team full of alola pokemon, so that deals with my biggest criticism with those.
However, at the end of the day Alola forms are just literal reinterpretations of older pokemon, and that should not count towards the count of new pokémon. that would just be a lazy attempt to bloat the numbers in my eyes
Shadow Broker
Banned
I don't agree with the bolded part. Alolan form and Mega Evolution tends to change the way a certain Pokémon plays, stats, abilities, and sometimes type changes.
I mean point out where I can find a Ice Fairy fox in previous games. I went from not seeing Charizard in single battles to many different builds of Charizard in single battles and that door was opened thanks to it having two Mega Evolutions that's completely different from each other. Mega Zard X and Y were new Pokémon that added to the playstyle of an older Pokémon. The same can almost be said for other Mega evolutions.
I can't say too much for Alolan forms yet because I haven't used them yet but I do consider them new Pokémon.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
For a new feature there really haven't been many Alolan forms announced. Hope there are loads, I really like the idea.
GiantBreadbug
Member
They're really a brilliant idea and need to be a staple of the series from now on imo. They do a much better job of adding variety and playing on nostalgia I think than Megas, though those are fun too. I would be fine with 1/3 of each new gen roster being regional variants.
Unfortunately it seems for now that we'll have to wait for fans of any gen besides 1 to see any of their favorites get variations. I hope Ohmori surprises me on that one.
Diprosalic
Banned
Alola are much better than Megas for me. Different types, different looks, permanent. They are cherries on the top not substitutes for new Pokemon.
Megas are just bleh. Dislike everything about them. Finished all four of XY and ORAS without ever using one.
I consider 100 new Pokemon the bare minimum for me to be happy.
Megas are just bleh. Dislike everything about them. Finished all four of XY and ORAS without ever using one.
I consider 100 new Pokemon the bare minimum for me to be happy.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Absolutely. Half of the Megas are ridiculous (e.g. Mega Slowbro, wut)
Crazy Diamond
Member
Agreed. Even Rattata and Raticate are appealing in their Alolan forms. They all look solid, and it's a really interesting way of expanding the Dex. I hope that Gen II-VI Alolan/regional forms become a thing at some point.
Shadow Broker
Banned
My opinion
I think Alolan forms and Mega Evolutions are great ways to add "new Pokémon to the series with the "third" installment, sequels, and most importantly remakes.
I see it as a way moving foward by adding new Pokémon without driving up the dex number mid gen.
That's been the only big downer regarding Alola forms for me. It obviously makes sense that Gen I would get some but the fact that none of the other 6 generations don't have any really makes absolutely no sense in regards to the actual game world. Gameplay wise, there are way more Pokemon that need updating from Gen 2-5, as well as a few in 6 that really REALLY need some updating, typing and stat wise than there are in Gen I IMO.
The only reason I could buy into the fact that only Kanto Pokemon have these forms is if there's some kind of in-game explanation for it, like that Kanto is extremely close to Alola, and the Pokemon that have these forms arrived in Alola easily because of close proximity. They kind of implied something like this with Alola Rattatta, so maybe this reason isn't impossible (Although that brings up the problem of Johto, which is right next door)
Otherwise, there's no real reason for Alola forms to be Kanto only other than Gen I pandering, pure and simple. And if that's the case, that's really fucking lame.
Not75Drops
Member
Regional variants could be messy later on unless future games have some area where you can find them. XY only had a small amount of Pokemon completely locked off without Bank and between it and ORAS, all non-mythical Pokemon could be found.
But I think Alola will be the only region this generation, with there being a third version/sequel before Gen 8, so that wouldn't cause a problem since they can just say new Alolan forms were discovered or something.
But I think Alola will be the only region this generation, with there being a third version/sequel before Gen 8, so that wouldn't cause a problem since they can just say new Alolan forms were discovered or something.
Troubled Bat
Member
I just want a new frog/toad. Pls
As someone who has basically only seen the reveal trailer with the starters from months back (I feel gamefreak has put out too many videos and info dumps), I hear from some that Sun and Moon seem like huge steps in the right direction compared to X/Y.
Is this true? I've read about a couple things like the IV changing item and something about gym mechanics changing or being radically different. I don't want specifics, just a vague answer would be great
Is this true? I've read about a couple things like the IV changing item and something about gym mechanics changing or being radically different. I don't want specifics, just a vague answer would be great
Dark Orchid
Member
As spoiler free as possible:
Yes there's an item system for IVs, and yes, you could say gyms have been radically changed.
Jeeze, the hyperbole in here is incredible. It's your favorite franchise ever and you're going to bail because they don't have a ton of new mons for a single generation? Come on, man...
If anything, I'd prefer they focus on other aspects. There are so many Pokemon now that variety is less of an issue than it has ever been.
Either way, I think some of you guys are overreacting.
If anything, I'd prefer they focus on other aspects. There are so many Pokemon now that variety is less of an issue than it has ever been.
Either way, I think some of you guys are overreacting.
GiantBreadbug
Member
Naw.
New Pokémon are really the only reason to play the game for me. There are so many unexplored type/ability/move/stat combinations that haven't been done, as well as an entire world of folklore, literature, stories, art, and culture left to experience through the lens of new Pokémon species.
Basically, there is such an insanely rich well of inspiration to draw from for new Pokémon that there's really just no reason to limit the Pokémon roster just because. I have never heard a good or convincing argument for why there should be some effort to curb the growth of the Pokémon roster. It's really not something that's good for the series. The monsters literally make the games what they are.
It's not really a matter of variety or anything. Limiting the potential of the Pokémon series by cutting back on new designs is needless and really really not in the spirit of what makes Pokémon such a successful series.
Man, I love new Pokemon, don't get me wrong. I was hyped as fuck for Gen 5. My thing is, they will come, eventually. The ratio of great:good:mediocre:stinker seems to be skewed toward the left in smaller generations, and toward the right in the larger ones...
I'd rather they spend more time on great designs and gameplay additions as opposed to just putting out as many as possible. I love a lot of Gen 5 designs, but it has its fair share of stinkers.
I know, opinions and all that, but even with a complete living Dex I find that I'd rather they focus on other aspects of the game. -shrug-
I'd rather they spend more time on great designs and gameplay additions as opposed to just putting out as many as possible. I love a lot of Gen 5 designs, but it has its fair share of stinkers.
I know, opinions and all that, but even with a complete living Dex I find that I'd rather they focus on other aspects of the game. -shrug-
In terms of size, or quality? Granted, quality is purely subjective, but I thought it was an alright Gen all things considered. It was no Gen 3, but what is?
Edit: I should say that I don't really take issue with the Megas like some people do (especially because Mawile finally got the attention it deserves), so that's part of the reason I don't pan Gen VI quite as heavily as many do.
Speaking about genwunners, I truly fear for the day when Gen 1 pandering gets to insane levels and we get something like this:
"Relive the original adventure with only the ORIGINAL 150 Pokemon! It´s actually 151 but hey, that shitty rap from your childhood told you there were only 150, so fuck Mew! Have some nostalgia!"
"Expirience a truly classic pokemon expirience, with a limited edition preorder bonus of the Link Cable!!, fully compatible with your Nintendo NX system! *Link Cable will be required for any multiplayer interaction"
"Relive the original adventure with only the ORIGINAL 150 Pokemon! It´s actually 151 but hey, that shitty rap from your childhood told you there were only 150, so fuck Mew! Have some nostalgia!"
"Expirience a truly classic pokemon expirience, with a limited edition preorder bonus of the Link Cable!!, fully compatible with your Nintendo NX system! *Link Cable will be required for any multiplayer interaction"
NipplesAndToes23
Member
Want to ask a question, but not sure if I should ask in here or make a new thread.