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[Tohsaka]

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The "judge not lest ye be judged" argument is fine, but it breaks down when you start talking about the enjoyment of a non-consensual sexual activity, even if it's "just a game".



Is it illegal? No.

Is it morally wrong? Probably not.

Is it kind of fucked up? I argue that yes. Yes it is.

You keep bringing that up, but this game doesn't have anything like that. Sure there probably will be ones like that eventually, but this game isn't it. It's not relevant. Some people will think those games are terrible and others won't.

 

[casiopao]

What are these nonsense moral talks??

I have been a nice amd lawful person in real life, now I have to be judged for my in game actions, too?

It's just a game ffs. Do whatever you want.

Yup. I mean, i have NTR fetish which is why i like reading doujins with those genre but i sure as hell don't go outside NTR people in RL.

And now, i should be judged by personal fetish when it is not hurting anybody? People are getting too sensitive recently.T_T

 

[Enter The 36 Chambers]

So what if that was the case? Who cares? Why is it bad to indulge in a romance fantasy?

Moreover, if these types of games are bad, why is rape so rare in Japan compared to other countries is? There is an actual market for games, novels and manga with non-consensual sex, even with underage characters, and it seems like it's fairly big, so why isn't it having a bad influence?

Could it be that allowing people to live out their desires in a safe virtual space means they're less likely to do something stupid in real life? Could it be that people who commit rape do it because they're mentally ill, and not because they played a "rape simulator"?

Romance fantasy? With an underage schoolgirl?

Are you honestly asking why people would care about this?

 

[ZerOmegaG]

The "judge not lest ye be judged" argument is fine, but it breaks down when you start talking about the enjoyment of a non-consensual sexual activity, even if it's "just a game".

No, no it doesn't.

 

[rochellepaws]

If you honestly think that, then you must be extremely naive. Just look at the marketing video.

Here's the TGS video. What part did you find objectionable?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi1iVW32Dx0

To me it looks like tutoring decisions and a teenager sharing her interests with you.

 

[cyberheater]

A "game" which looks like nothing more than a schoolgirl grooming simulator. If you can't see what's wrong with this I don't know what to tell you.

Yep.

I don't know why folks can't just admit to what it is. If the girl in question was wearing jeans, overweight and not as good looking then there would be zero sales for this.

There must have had long dev discussions working out just how short that skirt can be.

 

[DonkeySauce]

Is there book forum somewhere I can go to and critize people for reading Lolita?

 

[Sephiroth_VII]

Romance fantasy? With an underage schoolgirl?

Are you honestly asking why people would care about this?

Yes. I am.

It's ridiculous to feel offended on behalf of a virtual character.

 

[zoukka]

Here's the TGS video. What part did you find objectionable?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi1iVW32Dx0

To me it looks like tutoring decisions and a teenager sharing her interests with you.

It's a teaching simulator with a cute girl. Thank you for everyone calling a creep

You can play the game however you want. You can play Dead or Alive Extreme Beach Volleyball without realizing it's a soft-porn title. Nothing you personally do with the game doesn't change the intention and target-audience of the title however.

So much fucking denial in this thread lol.

 

[Crossing Eden]

Tx for deciding what others intend of buying a game lol.

Hope u enjoy the game where it allowed u to kill people walking in the street lol. Maybe the main intention of u guys buying those game is also because u guys love that Killing simulator lol.

What game? Because by my knowledge, not a single triple A game just allows you to kill people walking down the street, or encourage it, in fact, many games punish the player for doing this, by having things like a police system in place to punish the player for doing so, that gets increasingly more aggressive as they do, not to mention that most triple A games are straight up being advertised with non lethality as a feature, so obviously devs are thinking about further contextualizing and even avoiding violence in their games, Watch Dogs 2, a series that debuted with the assassination of a target that led to civilian deaths and a car crash, was advertised this year at e3 without a single npc death, and the only time an assault weapon was brought out was to shoot a window, meanwhile, in terms of sexualization in Japanese games, it could be straight up argued that over time it's been getting worse and worse in terms of just how out of place and creepy it is, (fuck moe and fuck Cindy), instead of improving. Game violence has already been well explained in this thread by Torvo. Stop attempting to use it as a deflection to fall back on.

Yes. I am. It's ridiculous to feel offended on behalf of a virtual character.

Do you not have any self awareness whatsoever? Because it's fucking creepy as shit. A grooming simulator has a shit ton of bad implications.

 

[Enter The 36 Chambers]

i just want to play creepy pervert games, i mean i'm not too far from the girls age in the game so a degree of creepiness is gone but it still lingers and i fully accept that i'm a creepy pervert
too bad i can't afford a psvr

At least this guy can admit it

 

[packy34]

Yep.

I don't know why folks can't just admit to what it is. If the girl in question was wearing jeans, overweight and not as good looking then there would be zero sales for this.

There must have had long dev discussions working out just how short that skirt can be.

Same can be said about Lara Croft. That doesn't mean the game is about how tight and/or ripped her shirt can get.

 

[Corpekata]

Is there book forum somewhere I can go to and critize people for reading Lolita?

LOL do you really wanna defend this by comparing it to Lolita?

 

[kiaaa]

Yep.

I don't know why folks can't just admit to what it is. If the girl in question was wearing jeans, overweight and not as good looking then there would be zero sales for this.

There must have had long dev discussions working out just how short that skirt can be.

You're not really saying much when your argument boils down to, "people generally like attractive people more than unattractive people."

That's kinda just a fact of life.

 

[LifeBrandRobot]

You should at least play the game first OP.

Yep.

I don't know why folks can't just admit to what it is. If the girl in question was wearing jeans, overweight and not as good looking then there would be zero sales for this.

There must have had long dev discussions working out just how short that skirt can be.

That goes for every medium of entertainment though.

 

[Enter The 36 Chambers]

You're not really saying much when your argument boils down to, "people generally like attractive people more than unattractive people."

That's kinda just a fact of life.

You said people but I think you mean children

 

[forknknife]

So what if that was the case? Who cares? Why is it bad to indulge in a romance fantasy?

Moreover, if these types of games are bad, why is rape so rare in Japan compared to other countries? There is an actual market for games, novels and manga with non-consensual sex, even with underage characters, and it seems like it's fairly big, so why isn't it having a bad influence?

Could it be that allowing people to live out their desires in a safe virtual space means they're less likely to do something stupid in real life? Could it be that people who commit rape do it because they're mentally ill, and not because they played a "rape simulator"?

Why is it that this same logic is wrong and ridiculous when applied to school shooters, but totally acceptable when applied to media with sexual content? Did you get consent from that NYC before you killed him?

At last someone goes to the point of the discussion! So that's the only argument going for these games- that they are a way of preventing sexual predators to fulfilling their fantasies in real life. But, doesn't that at least make it a liiiiitle weird?

 

[Mendrox]

You can play the game however you want. You can play Dead or Alive Extreme Beach Volleyball without realizing it's a soft-porn title. Nothing you personally do with the game doesn't change the intention and target-audience of the title however.

So much fucking denial in this thread lol.

I have DOAX3 myself and play it for some relaxing time. So GTA obviously caters to every violent man or woman. You obviously rob people and kill them. You don't have to, but it's obvious for who it is, right?

So much fucking denial in this thread lol. Or people just seeing nothing.

I never once had the feeling I should feel attracted to the Summer Lessons character.

 

[cyberheater]

Same can be said about Lara Croft. That doesn't mean the game is about how tight and/or ripped her shirt can get.

Lara isn't a sexualised schoolgirl.

 

[DonkeySauce]

LOL do you really wanna defend this by comparing it to Lolita?

Haha yeah there is nothing in this game like in Lolita, so maybe that's a bad comparison. But the point about taking what someone reads and assuming that it reflects on their opinions is valid.

 

[Sephiroth_VII]

What game? Because by my knowledge, not a single triple A game just allows you to kill people walking down the street, or encourage it, in fact, many games punish the player for doing this, by having things like a police system in place to punish the player for doing so, that gets increasingly more aggressive as they do, not to mention that most triple A games are straight up being advertised with non lethality as a feature, so obviously devs are thinking about further contextualizing and even avoiding violence in their games, Watch Dogs 2, a series that debuted with the assassination of a target that led to civilian deaths and a car crash, was advertised this year at e3 without a single npc death, and the only time an assault weapon was brought out was to shoot a window, meanwhile, in terms of sexualization in Japanese games, it could be straight up argued that over time it's been getting worse and worse in terms of just how out of place and creepy it is, (fuck moe and fuck Cindy), instead of improving. Game violence has already been well explained in this thread by Torvo. Stop attempting to use it as a deflection to fall back on.

Oh, come on. The police system is part of the fun of GTA, and have you really never gone on a murderous rampage in AC, or tried to see how many murders you could get away with before anyone noticed?

This kind of stuff is rampant in Western games, but almost non-existent in Japanese ones, and yet it's the Japanese games which are objectionable? SMH.

 

[forknknife]

Yep.

I don't know why folks can't just admit to what it is. If the girl in question was wearing jeans, overweight and not as good looking then there would be zero sales for this.

There must have had long dev discussions working out just how short that skirt can be.

Haha this

 

[Crossing Eden]

That goes for every medium of entertainment though.

No it doesn't.

 

[Napalm_Frank]

We are all creepy perverts deep down, just embrace it.

 

[packy34]

Lara isn't a sexualised schoolgirl.

Sexualization is subjective. Nothing on earth is inherently sexually attractive - Not even (gasp) schoolgirls.

 

[Laughing Banana]

I actually agree. I'll edit that part out in order to steer this thread away from it becoming about whether or not I personally should be embarassed for people who buy the game, and more about the moral grey area that many people may not consider at first glance.

That said, I still reserve my right to be embarrassed for people who are genuinely excited to pretend to pretend to be excited about tutoring a young schoolgirl.

You asked for a discussion but right off the bat you directly stated that you are embarrassed to those who may see this product in a more positive manner than you.

Maybe you don't want to discuss, maybe you just want to ridicule?

 

[Dunkley]

It's only a creep simulator if you possess and exhibit the characteristics of a creep. Otherwise it's a teaching simulator.

I don't disagree with that but calling it a teaching simulator is a bit ridiculous towards the other end.

I mean here's the thing, I got no problem with people wanting to play this and DOAX3 and utilize the features the development team actually pours money into making into features, the only thing I do hate is when people pretend they play these games for their tame stuff, especially Westerners going as far as importing it since there's no western release because the tame stuff is so great when we all know these games are designed first to have a nice amount of fanservice and then any sort of other gameplay aspect afterwards.

But before you attack me for being judgemental or tell me some shit how you play these games because they're "so relaxing" (lol), here's the thing: There's no issue with wanting what the game offers, but there's an issue pretending like the person playing must be bad if they use the game like that while it's clearly made and marketed to be something like that.

Here's the TGS video. What part did you find objectionable?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi1iVW32Dx0

To me it looks like tutoring decisions and a teenager sharing her interests with you.

Intrusion of personal space, I mean why have a girl be this close to your face to convey anything but intimacy to the player?

If this was just "tutoring decisions" and a "teenager sharing her interests with you", why the hell would the development team make it so with each sentence she basically hangs in your face? Do you actually think people interact like that?

 

[rochellepaws]

Yep.

I don't know why folks can't just admit to what it is. If the girl in question was wearing jeans, overweight and not as good looking then there would be zero sales for this.

There must have had long dev discussions working out just how short that skirt can be.

How shocking that a game tutoring school students would feature the student wearing a school uniform.
The second character shown is not wearing a skirt, by the way.

You can play the game however you want. You can play Dead or Alive Extreme Beach Volleyball without realizing it's a soft-porn title. Nothing you personally do with the game doesn't change the intention and target-audience of the title however.

So much fucking denial in this thread lol.

What marketing video is this from? It's very easy to cobble together playthrough clips into a gif to make something look inappropriate.

 

[dock]

The "judge not lest ye be judged" argument is fine, but it breaks down when you start talking about the enjoyment of a non-consensual sexual activity, even if it's "just a game".

Is it illegal? No.

Is it morally wrong? Probably not.

Is it kind of fucked up? I argue that yes. Yes it is.

Is pornography wrong?
It seems to fall firmly into your 'non-consensual sexual activity' spectrum?

Even if this game is entirely about 'creeping' on a girl, it's not actually any more of a problem than a game about shooting lots of folk. Summer Lesson is not progressive, but that's okay.

 

[Sephiroth_VII]

At last someone goes to the point of the discussion! So that's the only argument going for these games- that they are a way of preventing sexual predators to fulfilling their fantasies in real life. But, doesn't that at least make it a liiiiitle weird?

No, the argument is that someone finds games with romance and/or sex enjoyable, and no one is getting hurt. That is why they should be made.

If you find it weird, don't play them. But until you can find me some sort of proof that playing dating sims makes you into a sexual predator, I don't really care about your opinion of my tastes in entertainment.

 

[sechsterangriff]

Lara isn't a sexualised schoolgirl.

Are you saying this game portrays a sexualized schoolgirl? Ok then...

 

[Ban Puncher]

enjoyment of a non-consensual sexual activity, even if it's "just a game".

Your country must be proud of the gold medal you won in Rio for mental gymnastics.

 

[zoukka]

I have DOAX3 myself and play it for some relaxing time. So GTA obviously caters to every violent man or woman. You obviously rob people and kill them. You don't have to, but it's obvious for who it is, right?

So much fucking denial in this thread lol. Or people just seeing nothing.

I never once had the feeling I should feel attracted to the Summer Lessons character.

Yes violence is obviously a big part of GTA and the reason why it has been in so many "controversies" for decades. It has an adult rating because of this. I would indeed say that anyone who denies that GTA is a "mayhem" simulator just as much as it is a mission based action game is in denial.

Again you are making the logical error of just telling me what you personally are doing in these games. That doesn't matter at all in this conversation.

 

[kiaaa]

You said people but I think you mean children

No, I mean people. Attractive people are more immediately likable in almost any circumstance. That's why Hollywood is largely made up of incredibly good looking people.

 

[Leafhopper]

Lara isn't a sexualised schoolgirl.

I dunno go look at some Tomb Raider 2013 threads and people were arguing about sexualization.

 

[zoukka]

No it doesn't.

Fat people are comical relief characters in 99.99% of hollywood movies.

 

[『Inaba Resident』]

So can someone provide some examples from the game that show how its about "schoolgirl grooming" or a "perv" game?
I genuinely want to know and have no idea. From what I hear from people that have played it, theres nothing like that in the game itself

 

[cyberheater]

Are you saying this game portrays a sexualized schoolgirl? Ok then...

Are you honestly saying it doesn't?

 

[chillybright]

Are you honestly saying it doesn't?

TIL Japanese school uniform is sexual.

 

[Hektor]

No it doesn't.

You're not exactly disapproving his point by posting a picture of a woman that was heavily photoshopped and wears tons of make up in the movie.

Yes, she technically wears jeans and is overweight, still very much idealized as a beauty.

Come back when she looks like this in a movie

 

[Leafhopper]

Are you honestly saying it doesn't?

A school girl/School girl uniform isn't inherently sexualised, I am pretty sure.

 

[Enter The 36 Chambers]

Is pornography wrong?
It seems to fall firmly into your 'non-consensual sexual activity' spectrum?

Even if this game is entirely about 'creeping' on a girl, it's not actually any more of a problem than a game about shooting lots of folk. Summer Lesson is not progressive, but that's okay.

If there were games designed solely around shooting children and underaged schoolkids you might have a point.

 

[Corpekata]

"still very much idealized as a beauty."

About Melissa McCarthy?

I mean I like her as an actress but this is in no way even in the ballpark of her career. It isn't like people saw Spy for the fucking poster.

 

[semiconscious]

waiting for someone who's actually played this game to say something ...

 

[sechsterangriff]

Are you honestly saying it doesn't?

It's a freaking school uniform. People actually wear it to go to school?

 

[Sephiroth_VII]

If there were games designed solely around shooting children and underaged schoolkids you might have a point.

Why is it OK just because they're adults? Do you have them give consent before killing them?

The world's most popular game is filled with random killings and extreme violence, and yet people get upset that there are games where you can pretend to be dating a younger person.

Maybe I'll make a thtead line this when GTA6 comes out, see how fast that gets laughed off of GAF. There's something seriously weird with the western moral compass when it comes to what is and what is not OK to put in a video game, seriously.

Spoiler

Please note that I'm accepting the claim that SL is about dating a school girl in order to try and discuss why this would be a bad thing. I don't necessarily think that this is actually what the game is about.

 

[Mendrox]

Yes violence is obviously a big part of GTA and the reason why it has been in so many "controversies" for decades. It has an adult rating because of this. I would indeed say that anyone who denies that GTA is a "mayhem" simulator just as much as it is a mission based action game is in denial.

Again you are making the logical error of just telling me what you personally are doing in these games. That doesn't matter at all in this conversation.

So why should it matter then, what you think is this game about? It's obviously a cute school girl from Japan which wants a teacher. Nothing more. Guess what? School girls wear uniforms in Japan all the time and even try to put their skirts up more if they can. It's creepy how many people sexualize a normal looking videogame girl. Where was that shit with Lara?

 

[packy34]

Are you honestly saying it doesn't?

Sexualization, and what people find uniquely attractive, is subjective. I haven't seen anything in this game personally that shows me the game is trying to push a sexual agenda. People are projecting either their own schoolgirl fantasies into it or their perceived ideas of what others think of schoolgirls.

The game is rated 12+. The player character is never referred to as a specific sex. There's honestly nothing there.

 

[cyberheater]

Sexualization is subjective. Nothing on earth is inherently sexually attractive - Not even (gasp) schoolgirls.

Are you saying this game portrays a sexualized schoolgirl? Ok then...

TIL Japanese school uniform is sexual.

A school girl/School girl uniform isn't inherently sexualised, I am pretty sure.

Yeah. There is nothing clearly sexualised about the portrayal of this schoolgirl.

It's pointless having a discussion about this when folks are deliberately ignoring the reality of this game.

 

[chillybright]

If there were games designed solely around shooting children and underaged schoolkids you might have a point.

Why? Because mass shooting adults are a ok?

Edit: Beaten.