It's cute that he thinks Death Stranding will release before 2020.
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It's cute that he thinks Death Stranding will release before 2020.
Empyrean Heaven
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You mean, PS4, XB1, and....PC?
Because let me tell you this, if you think there's even the slightest chance in hell this game is coming to NX, I've got some land in Florida...
Crossing Eden
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Because it gives them an excuse not to use any critical thinking. Because critical thinking is hard. Why do that when you can just argue about artistic integrity while unironically missing the point of critique in the art world? It's pathetic honestly as that post isn't even worth addressing.
We should stop talking about rendering in gaming, as OBVIOUSLY that was just the way the dev wanted it to be, that subpar motion blur in UC4, artistic integrity, that lighting in Mafia III, creative integrity, you know what, just make your own game, never critique anything about a game ever, especially not representation.
True but it wouldn't be easier for developers now with both consoles sharing similar X86s?
90TilInfinity
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The entire gang looking forward with John (far left) distracted, looking off in another direction. Much thematic. I like it.
Inferno313
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Man, I don't even like anime, but if we get jokers in here shitting on fucking Miyazaki i'm gonna lose it.
SomedayTheFire
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this post is so incredibly disappointing and indicative of Gaming side
rockstar just needs to microtransaction in diversity, then people will raise a stink
yeah that too. i hope i'm still alive when death stranding comes out
Cowboy Bebop is the anime I recommend to people who don't like anime. Then again I say the same thing for Miyazaki so...
The biggest lie that early Hollywood taught people that is only now being broken down is that history was comprised solely of white people, even American history.
Learn something.
Did you honestly expect otherwise?
Get off the internet and watch it immediately.
1. Companies are free to pursue whatever artistic vision they want, but...
2. People are allowed to complain when we get another game with the same narrow world viewpoint, reasonably until this isn't an astonishingly common occurrence
3. It's very possible to be both hyped for a game and disappointed by things at the same time. People get defensive when others express disappointments because they think people are just shitting on something they like. Not always the case, don't jump to conclusions.
3. Don't lie that it wouldn't have been rad to have a woman or a minority in the lead role here, given that we've had westerns that prominently star both and have been awesome. Historical accuracy is often the absolute worst excuse people bring up for why a video game can't have something. It's worse here when we've already seen westerns tackle this.
4. I would also practice some restraint until we see the full trailer. No idea what the game's actually going to be like.
5. No one should be surprised about the PC situation. Rockstar became kings of the triple dip.
2. People are allowed to complain when we get another game with the same narrow world viewpoint, reasonably until this isn't an astonishingly common occurrence
3. It's very possible to be both hyped for a game and disappointed by things at the same time. People get defensive when others express disappointments because they think people are just shitting on something they like. Not always the case, don't jump to conclusions.
3. Don't lie that it wouldn't have been rad to have a woman or a minority in the lead role here, given that we've had westerns that prominently star both and have been awesome. Historical accuracy is often the absolute worst excuse people bring up for why a video game can't have something. It's worse here when we've already seen westerns tackle this.
4. I would also practice some restraint until we see the full trailer. No idea what the game's actually going to be like.
5. No one should be surprised about the PC situation. Rockstar became kings of the triple dip.
When you are releasing media for public consumption, its important to consider the audience you are releasing it to. Simply stating its not the creator's vision is not a get out of jail free card that some claim it should be. I do think we need more information about the game before nailing R* to a wall but if it is the typical status quo, then they will get criticism for that, and some of it is going to be deserved.
ninjablade
Banned
I already know this, you're missing my point. i'm talking about the setting, if you think about every classic gangster movie, they never included a woman as being as one of the guys being a gangster. obviously because they thought it wouldn't match the setting, guy don't the same when a woman is around for one thing.
This guy know's what's up. 'fool, no man can kill me' 'I am no man' just fantastic, I love Eowyn.
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
That has nothing to do with my question but ok.
Soulblighter31
Banned
Receipts? I'd love for this to be out in 2017 but I just don't see it happening.
This game falls right onto Microsoft's lap.
Buy RDR2, get RDR for free through BC Scorpio bundle. That's the easiest market right there. The only megaton I could see for MS (not for PC gamers who want "regular" release) is making it a Play Anywhere title (even if they say buy it digital now and get PC version when released). Obviously it wouldn't make sense for TT since they go for the double, triple, quadruple buyers, but it would be a big win for MS if they did (though I still think we are years off from 3rd parties doing that...).
Buy RDR2, get RDR for free through BC Scorpio bundle. That's the easiest market right there. The only megaton I could see for MS (not for PC gamers who want "regular" release) is making it a Play Anywhere title (even if they say buy it digital now and get PC version when released). Obviously it wouldn't make sense for TT since they go for the double, triple, quadruple buyers, but it would be a big win for MS if they did (though I still think we are years off from 3rd parties doing that...).
bonnie and clyde.( i already posted this.)
Nope, but on the other hand they are trying to sell a game to us. So yeah, listening to criticism might be in their best interest cause if enough people don't like it, it won't sell well.
They can make whatever game they want. We don't have to buy it. And remember, in the end they want us to buy it.
Empyrean Heaven
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xamidoxhua
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Complain and discuss it all you like. I can't stop you. I can join you and point out that I think it's all vacuous US-centric social commentary on something we've only seen a poster for.
Enh, don't bother. Someone wrote a really long "just develop your own game post" with lots of words so it's obviously insightful and not the same fucking dreck people trot out every time something is criticized.
You're totally right in that the lack of diversity in stories is a symptom of game development diversity, or lack thereof. Everyone wants artists to do stuff they're passionate about and put out the creative work they envision. It would just be nice if a more diverse group of people were empowered to do so. White dudes making nothing but stories about white dudes would be less of a drain on the industry if other groups were empowered enough to also make games based on their vision. Unfortunately, that's obviously not the case so we're stuck with the status quo.
The Artisan
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yeah it definitely should, in theory. i ain't a dev so i can't get in depth about this stuff. so maybe you're right, there's no holding the scorpio back
Audioboxer
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That's not obvious at all and will continue to be shot down repeatedly by historical proof of women gangsters.
Not to blow my own trumpet again but if you want what is probably a reasonable explanation of why R* do as they do, read my post history in this topic.
tldr; it has zero to do with real life history
cr0w
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Man, I don't even like anime, but if we get jokers in here shitting on fucking Miyazaki i'm gonna lose it.
I'm not, at all. I respect and admire the shit out of Miyazaki and everything Ghibli has made.
I just failed to connect with or understand it on every level, but I have that issue with cartoons in general. I just can't connect with them at all. Always been like that, even as a kid. And it's a shame, because like I said I fucking love his style. I just can't engage with cartoons.
Well, I mean...when were the classic gangster movies made? We're in a much different world now, and we always have been if we're being honest. It's just that the people making the 'classic' movies had no interest in portraying it.
Ninja Scooter
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Nobody is saying anybody should be forced to do anything. The question (and it's a very legitimate one that begs discussion) is why representation would need to be "forced" in the first place? Why is the default in games 98% of the time white males? Why is that not worth discussing? It's not a matter of claiming that Rockstar is racist or sexist, it's an issue with the games industry as a whole. Nobody is asking for tokens, but you have to get at the heart of the issue, and maybe someday there will be more minorities in gaming journalism, and more minorities in gaming development, and more minorities in gaming publishing, and then you won't have to have tokens or force anybod to do anything, because those minorities will create games that represent themselves. The only way we will get their is to have conversations like this, without people trying to shut them down because it makes them uncomfortable.
optimus8936
Banned
Yes I watch TV and movies because theyre fun to watch, is that wrong?
And it is just about fun. That's the whole point of video games.
To have fun. I could care less about the story or the characters if the gameplay is ass. That's what keeps people going. Look at Destiny for an example. That game has pretty much no story and no meaningful characters, yet it still has a massive player base. Why? Becuase it's fun.
Art Vandilay
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Ice cold. Kojima really will take his sweet ass time though.
Finale Fireworker
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Also, people saying there were not female gunslingers is literally why representation matters. Less, yes. None, no.
One of the most famous icons of the Wild West, Annie Oakley, was female. So was Calamity Jane. There are at least a dozen prominent female gunslingers that have been appropriately canonized and documented. They should be represented in stories too.
This is like when people say there were no female pirate captains. Few, yes. None, no. The female pirate captains of their day were some of the most feared of their time. Ching Shih was the most successful pirate captain EVER.
But people only tell stories about Blackbeard.
That is the problem. And that is why having a prominent western in 2016 that MAY be about seven men is disappointing.
But we know nothing about the game yet, so let's see what happens.
One of the most famous icons of the Wild West, Annie Oakley, was female. So was Calamity Jane. There are at least a dozen prominent female gunslingers that have been appropriately canonized and documented. They should be represented in stories too.
This is like when people say there were no female pirate captains. Few, yes. None, no. The female pirate captains of their day were some of the most feared of their time. Ching Shih was the most successful pirate captain EVER.
But people only tell stories about Blackbeard.
That is the problem. And that is why having a prominent western in 2016 that MAY be about seven men is disappointing.
But we know nothing about the game yet, so let's see what happens.
Because the game needs to be played with this:
It needs to?
Get off your high horse.
FF Seraphim
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Yeah I think a lot of this discussion on gender/diversity is weird for me since we know very little of this game other than a picture of 7 men with zero context.
I am going to wait until the trailer is out before criticizing R* other than the name... they could of called it anything else...
there def won't be play anywhere but RDR BC free with game + scorpio will do quite well for them i think
Yeah, it's not often you can watch a theatrical cut of a movie and say "that was literally an hour too long". It had some of Tarantino's visual panache and pop-cultural bombast but not nearly enough to justify endless hours of dull, plodding meanness. IMO of course.
Also it was weirdly sloppy and lazy at times. The opening stage coach ride, which was so beautifully shot and evocative, just made me irritated at how many times you could see roads and power lines in the background. Weird little annoyances like that kept me from enjoying the good stuff fully and instead made me focus on the irritations.
SolidSnakex
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You can pretty much forget about Hollywood stars in Rockstar games from now on
http://www.gamesradar.com/sam-houser-gta-iv-crazier-than-ever/2/
With the exception of some casting in San Andreas and some side content in later games, Rockstar has moved to using smaller or completely unknown actors for the main characters in their games. The guy that voiced John Marston is a great example of that. RDR was the first game he'd ever worked on and before that he'd only worked in two films. That's the type of people they hire for their games now.
By all means feel free to continue the discussion, but I'd personally at least give them until the trailer before hanging them at The Hague over the representation in the game.
Like we don't even know if you play as all seven characters, or if they're representatives of your initial outlaw gang that could grow and change over the title.
Like we don't even know if you play as all seven characters, or if they're representatives of your initial outlaw gang that could grow and change over the title.
TheStruggler
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while I understand that it still was eventually on the platform, I hope PC players dont get neglected for this game like the previous Red Dead. It was a fantastic game.
Complaining about the lack of diversity in games overall is a very important discussion, but is also very different from arguing that a specific story heavy game needs to include minority characters. Movies are allowed to tell stories with an all white cast, an all female cast, or an all gay cast. So why do games have to cater towards every demographic, even when it might go against the story they want to tell?
Discotheque
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I like Bebop more than Miyazaki stuff tho honestly. The fact that they melded so much shit I like such as Kung Fu, Sci Fi, Westerns and a Noir Jazz style soundtrack. It's such an amazing amalgam