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[HiiiLife]

Why are people jumping to conclusions about the protagonists? The men on the poster look like the bad guys to me.

I want this to be true.

 

[Xliskin]

Expected , I'm one of those who want them to get rid of the open world but yeah they want the sales

 

[cordy]

Idk what it is about the Red Dead games but man I love their atmosphere in a different way than the GTAs. They just feel more "videogamey" and I guess it's due to the fact that their time period is more foreign to me compared to the GTA titles.

 

[lanella]

I'm crossing my fingers that there is a playable female character in the trailer!

 

[diaspora]

The bigger concern for me is if R* can actually make this game without Benzies saving those jabronies.

 

[SomTervo]

The "reason" is obviously they have ideas they want to explore through the cast of characters they're choosing to write. What I take issue with is this idea that factoring diversity into writing ought to be done because it's this moral good, or that it ought to be excluded because of historical accuracy of a fictional videogame. These aren't reasons, these are excuses for inclusion and exclusion. I've already put forward that including minorities (again), and women can at least offer some level of variety to explore new things in their storytelling from previous games rather than treading old ground. A qualitative argument is the way to have more inclusion in games rather than pretending like it's a moral responsibility.

Just to return to my original point in this discussion, the argument was that improvement is key. And if you're not challenging yourself and subverting your own creations you're not really improving ; you're not doing the job right (IMO). I'm not alone in thinking this. Loads of writers echo the sentiment. Druckmann has argued it, for one.

 

[Zolo]

That's what I'm saying.

Everybody gotta just wait on the trailer.

I think it's fine to discuss the poster, but yeah. It's not like we have to wait a month or more for more info. We'll get a trailer in just two days.

 

[vivekTO]

Rockstar games are big enough that they don't need to be announced at a gaming event press conference, certainly not at PSX come on.

I was more pointing out the rumor of it presence at sony E3 , i know they don't warrant a conference to announce something. its just the timing seems bizarre to me , its not even like Fallout 4 , which released within six months. Nothing to roll eyes for!!

 

[SolidSnakex]

The lack of PC version is clearly a Sony/MS shill for PS4Pro/Scorpio versions.

No Red Dead game has ever appeared on the PC, so i'm not sure how you jump to that conclusion.

 

[JustSomeone]

Port begging is allowed now? Stop whining. They can release on whatever the fuck they want.

Complaining about the lack of a pc version is not port begging

 

[Conkerkid11]

Wanna point to a Rockstar protagonist that didn't look like a bad guy?

Whoa there

 

[dreamfall]

Yup, damn right. Dutch and Bonnie McFarlane were my two favorite supporting characters in a game full of great supporting characters.

If we're going down this route, I also vote for at least a cameo from Landon Ricketts.

Amen to all of this!

Bonnie and Abigail were beautifully written characters, I've got faith in Rockstar for including women in the story. I bet there'll be a story mission where we meet Abigail and she joins the gang and falls for Marston, it's going to be glorious.

Would've been amazing to play as a young Ricketts, certifiable legend!

 

[Fjordson]

LOL, I feel like this is one of those "thisisneogaf.gif" cases. Either way, thank you both for the answers. As for me... I am cautiously optimistic that this game will have satisfying mechanics.

As far as story goes, I do hope that this game has something as full of impact as Dutch's monologue, or when Marston "opens the barn doors"... You know, THE moment of the game.

GTA IV feels nothing like their recent games. The mechanical advances past that are pretty easy to detect in just about every area.

The one subjective part is the driving I'd say. I thought GTA IV's driving was incredible, but they went for a more arcadey, fast-paced style for V which I'm sure some people loved. Personally liked it well enough, but I preferred GTA IV in that aspect.

 

[Nags]

Wanna point to a Rockstar protagonist that didn't look like a bad guy?

^

 

[Fliesen]

So are we squashing the prequel rumors now that we know its RDR2 and not RDR : Subtitle Here?

Cause that guy in the middle looks more like Jack to me, not John.

(edit: Actually.. its too hard to tell much of anything from that picture. But im still thinking that this is a sequel.)

the guy on the left totally looks like John though, neither of them looks like Jack, and the guy #4 literally IS Bill Williamson, for all intents and purposes.

Also, it wouldn't be unheard of to number a prequel higher than a sequel.
(even though i can't for the life of me come up with an example right now)

Yeah, you get the same retread bullshit over and over which is why I think creators ought to have some variety in the stories they tell and the characters they write.

but not with regards to gender?

 

[AHappyPanda]

All-male cast with 6 out of 7 being white dudes :/

what the fuck Rockstar

Ya. Seriously!

I wanted to play as a the daughter of a Chinese railroad worker turned Chinese prostitute seeking revenge against all the Johns that wronged her.

 

[TheRed]

No PC, really?

Surely even the PC-hating San Diego Rockstar would've learned from the reception/backlash of RDR1? This might genuinely be my first no-buy Rockstar game unless the PC version is simply a later release.

I believe it will come later, they made too much money on GTA V not to. They will just maximize peak sales of console versions before they announce the PC version.

 

[Nokterian]

HYPE! Man one of my favorite games last gen so happy to see this

 

[Barry Burton]

When people say controls, they aren't generally talking about button configurations (though in this case, Rockstar deserves hell for continuing the ridiculous tap to sprint stuff), but talking about things like animation priority, clumsy locomotion, a bad cover system, having trouble getting through doors and up/down ladders, etc.

Just watch a high intensity action scene in GTAV. PVE or PVP. It looks like an alien's rendition of what they think human shootouts look like.



I hope it controls like a game from 2017, so neither.

Rockstar has ALL the time, ALL the money, and ALL the talent. There's no excuse here.

100% agreed with all of this. The movement in their open-world games has felt dated for a very long time now, it's well past time for an overhaul.

 

[adamsapple]

Ya. Seriously!

I wanted to play as a the daughter of a Chinese railroad worker turned Chinese prostitute seeking revenge against all the Johns that wronged her.

This made me laugh more than it should have

 

[Net_Wrecker]

So are we squashing the prequel rumors now that we know its RDR2 and not RDR : Subtitle Here?

Cause that guy in the middle looks more like Jack to me, not John.

(edit: Actually.. its too hard to tell much of anything from that picture. But im still thinking that this is a sequel.)

A direct sequel would put this game into roaring 20s gangster/prohibition era. The outfits in that poster make no sense for that. RDR is a Western. The only way forward is to go back. This is a prequel.

 

[KainXVIII]

Why are people jumping to conclusions about the protagonists? The men on the poster look like the bad guys to me.

Diversity in bad guys is not needed anymore?

 

[Conkerkid11]

No Red Dead game has ever appeared on the PC, so i'm not sure how you jump to that conclusion.

Revolver came out 12 years ago, and Redemption was rumored to be so poorly put together that a port was out of the question. Plus, with how bad GTA IV's port was, we're probably better off without it.

 

[many places]

If port-begging wasn't allowed, this thread would be a certified graveyard by now.

Lol, I guess you are right. Damnit, why can't we all just enjoy the fact that a new Red Dead is coming out?

 

[laxu]

GTA IV feels nothing like their recent games. The mechanical advances past that are pretty easy to detect in just about area.

The one subjective part is the driving I'd say. I thought GTA IV's driving was incredible, but they went for a more arcadey, fast-paced style for V which I'm sure some people loved. Personally liked it well enough, but I preferred GTA IV in that aspect.

GTA V actually handles a lot more like the "realistic driving" mods for GTA IV PC. GTA IV cars are like really slow boats with stock settings.

 

[jelly]

When people say controls, they aren't generally talking about button configurations (though in this case, Rockstar deserves hell for continuing the ridiculous tap to sprint stuff), but talking about things like animation priority, clumsy locomotion, a bad cover system, having trouble getting through doors and up/down ladders, etc.

Just watch a high intensity action scene in GTAV. PVE or PVP. It looks like an alien's rendition of what they think human shootouts look like.



I hope it controls like a game from 2017, so neither.

Rockstar has ALL the time, ALL the money, and ALL the talent. There's no excuse here.

True. It seems like they can't copy, it has to be their way but it's always rough. They really don't have an excuse to not get it right now or 5 years ago or even further back.

 

[Obliterator]

The only part that worries me about the 2 in the title is its set after RDR1. If that's the case The Wild West was essentially over.

 

[dreamfall]

GTA IV feels nothing like their recent games. The mechanical advances past that are pretty easy to detect in just about area.

The one subjective part is the driving I'd say. I thought GTA IV's driving was incredible, but they went for a more arcadey, fast-paced style for V which I'm sure some people loved. Personally liked it well enough, but I preferred GTA IV in that aspect.

Team GTA IV driving is the best driving ever made in the open world genre. I feel like we lost something great with V in the driving department, and I loved IV's driving mechanics way more.

 

[Irishonion]

Just noticed October 20th is soon.

Super stoked for trailer.

 

[SomTervo]

Why are people jumping to conclusions about the protagonists? The men on the poster look like the bad guys to me.

Good call!!

 

[BlizzKrut]

It's quite the shame it isn't coming out for PC, doesn't give me any faith in Rockstar, still, I'm interested to see how the game plays out, never played the original unfortunately (no PC port here) but I heard good things about it.

 

[Gurrry]

Wanna point to a Rockstar protagonist that didn't look like a bad guy?

Just look at how loveable he is. This man wouldnt harm a fly!

 

[bombshell]

So are we squashing the prequel rumors now that we know its RDR2 and not RDR : Subtitle Here?

Cause that guy in the middle looks more like Jack to me, not John.

(edit: Actually.. its too hard to tell much of anything from that picture. But im still thinking that this is a sequel.)

Redemption was set in 1911-1914. A grown up Jack in a sequel would be too late for a wild west setting.

 

[JetSetRadio]

I expect a lot of double dipping in the next thread thursday.

 

[DMONKUMA]

Lol, I guess you are right. Damnit, why can't we all just enjoy the fact that a new Red Dead is coming out?

Because this is Neogaf.

 

[Via Purifico]

This is their first game made for current gen hardware, that alone has me excited to see what they can pull off.

 

[Conkerkid11]

Lol, I guess you are right. Damnit, why can't we all just enjoy the fact that a new Red Dead is coming out?

Why would the people who can't play it be able to enjoy that fact?

 

[Izcarielo]

Consider how Neil Druckmann said how Anita's work influenced The Last of Us and Uncharted (among other devs and games)

It's not about telling developers what to do and forcing them to include or not include but about encouraging more representation and breaking free of old stereotypes (ie woman and people of color not being outlaws and lawbringers in the west)

And dont you think they already know that? they are the developers and storytellers, of course they know about that fact.
If they decided to go with 7 white males thats because its exactly what they want to represent.

 

[ironcreed]

This is their first game made for current gen hardware, that alone has me excited to see what they can pull off.

Oh, I imagine that the bar will be raised yet again. It will no doubt be astounding. Even the GTA V remaster is one of the best looking games so far.

 

[Acquiescence]

Was Bloodborne a special case of port-begging being a bannable offense?

That was a couple of years ago. As far as I can tell, port-begging is more tolerated now.

When GTA: San Andreas (or it might have been a different GTA?) got a mobile port some years back, a bunch of people complained about the lack of a Vita version in its announcement thread, and they all got promptly banned. I don't know if mass bannings for that sort of thing really happen anymore.

 

[Nibiru]

Did RDR ever come to PC?

No.

 

[lifa-cobex]

Ya. Seriously!

I wanted to play as a the daughter of a Chinese railroad worker turned Chinese prostitute seeking revenge against all the Johns that wronged her.

You too, huh?

 

[Axtone]

I missed something in the last 20-25 pages?

 

[Fliesen]

And dont you think they already know that? they are the developers and storytellers, of course they know about that fact.
If they decided to go with 7 white males thats because its exactly what they want to represent.

"Don't you think Ubisoft knew they shouldn't be making a game that was technically broken and didn't even include a playable female avatar for the 4 player co-op"

devs are not infallible. their 'vision' is not immune to challenge and criticism.

 

[many places]

Why would the people who can't play it be able to enjoy that fact?

Because it is a massively popular new game being made? Just that fact alone should get people excited. A comment like "PC or GTFO" is just sad imo. Like Rockstar should have never even bothered unless PC is included. I don't understand the logic.

I understand the want for a PC version, that would be fucking cool! But it seems a little too close to thread shitting, with comments like the above I referred to.

 

[bj00rn_]

I'm sorry rockstar but I don't have a console anymore, never will again, so no double dipping this time.

 

[Gurrry]

Redemption was set in 1911-1914. A grown up Jack in a sequel would be too late for a wild west setting.

Good point, although this could be telling the story of how the western age died off and this group is trying to come to terms with the changing of times?

I dont know, youre probably right though. Cause honestly, even though hes not dead center, the guy on the very far left looks a lot like John.

Maybe you dont play as him, you play as one of his old buddies and John is just in a supporting role? Either way, its gonna be weird if its a prequel and its numbered as if its a sequel. But trust me, I can deal with it. All I wanna do is explore the wild west on next gen.

 

[Fjordson]

Team GTA IV driving is the best driving ever made in the open world genre. I feel like we lost something great with V in the driving department, and I loved IV's driving mechanics way more.

Agreed. Back before V I would play GTA IV just to drive around, whether it was messing around in single-player or in online races. I didn't do that as much with V.

Of course I'm guessing we won't have to worry about what cars handle like with this game lol.

 

[TheAdmiester]

I believe it will come later, they made too much money on GTA V not to. They will just maximize peak sales of console versions before they announce the PC version.

I really hope it does. It has to, surely. Either way I'm not double dipping this time, I either get it on PC or it's a no-buy entirely if it's console exclusive.

 

[Zolo]

That was a couple of years ago. As far as I can tell, port-begging is more tolerated now.

I think it just depends on how much it takes over a discussion like the Bayonetta fiasco. Kinda the same with bans against people who just blanket-insult users based on their avatar. It was tolerated for a while, but then you had more and more users do it until it became more of a problem.