Behold Nintendo Switch (March 2017, Hybrid w/ Dock, Detachable Controllers, Nvidia)

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Nerrel said:
It's running Zelda at substantially poorer framerates in portable mode. That raises a lot of questions about how powerful the system is. The dock has no processing power, but it will provide a wall outlet, so the system will almost certainly be able to run at higher clocks when docked. But whether that'll be enough to make a leap over Wii U when it's running so much worse in portable mode is hard to say.

Nothing we saw in the trailer looked better than a Wii U title... we saw MK8, Splatoon, and BotW looking identical to the Wii U versions. The new Mario also could have easily been a Wii U game. Even if the system is capable of doing better than Wii U, developers may be held back by the handheld performance. If BotW runs at 15fps without the dock, which it looked like it was in the trailer, then clearly they can't ever do much more than Wii U level visuals without causing portable play to struggle. And if it can run better than that, why did they show that footage? You kind of have to assume that will be typical if Nintendo couldn't find something less janky to show for such a critical reveal.

I would love to be proven wrong, but it seems like we're getting a weaker system than Wii U when playing portably and a system that's equal to Wii U in console mode.
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Nah you need to look again. Especially at Splatoon
 
Nerrel said:
It's running Zelda at substantially poorer framerates in portable mode. That raises a lot of questions about how powerful the system is. The dock has no processing power, but it will provide a wall outlet, so the system will almost certainly be able to run at higher clocks when docked. But whether that'll be enough to make a leap over Wii U when it's running so much worse in portable mode is hard to say.

Nothing we saw in the trailer looked better than a Wii U title... we saw MK8, Splatoon, and BotW looking identical to the Wii U versions. The new Mario also could have easily been a Wii U game. Even if the system is capable of doing better than Wii U, developers may be held back by the handheld performance. If BotW runs at 15fps without the dock, which it looked like it was in the trailer, then clearly they can't ever do much more than Wii U level visuals without causing portable play to struggle. And if it can run better than that, why did they show that footage? You kind of have to assume that will be typical if Nintendo couldn't find something less janky to show for such a critical reveal.

I would love to be proven wrong, but it seems like we're getting a weaker system than Wii U when playing portably and a system that's equal to Wii U in console mode.
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You realize everything on-screen in that trailer was done in post-processing right? None of it was running on a Switch, it was just target renders.
 
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Man, it would make so much sense to sell extra Joy-Cons in different colors. Black bezel on the console goes with everything, so you could easily customize the color of the handheld just by swapping out Joy-Cons. They wouldn't need to produce the base SKU in more than one color.
 
I thought I read some where that the games showed where mapped to the switch and tv in the video. that what we saw want really running on the system
 
Nerrel said:
OK. Any actual argument? Watch the trailer again and tell me that Zelda doesn't seem to be running much worse.
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Well for a start pretty much nothing in that trailer was actually running on the Switch when bein filmed. It's all post work, the actor wasn't actually playing Zelda in portable mode.
 
Doctre81 said:
Nah you need to look again. Especially at Splatoon
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...what looked better? Splatoon looked exactly like the Wii U version.

Ninja Scooter said:
it's probably video of the WIi Uversion for all we know. The footage in that trailer was probably all faked.
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Matt said:
Well for a start pretty much nothing in that trailer was actually running on the Switch when bein filmed. It's all post work, the actor wasn't actually playing Zelda in portable mode.
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We saw things in those games that were obviously not in the Wii U versions, like the new Splatoon character customization and the double items in MK8. That to me suggests this isn't WIi U footage.

I'm willing to admit this is all edited for show and isn't concrete proof, but I doubt this is all direct Wii U footage.
 
Somnid said:
You realize everything on-screen in that trailer was done in post-processing right? None of it was running on a Switch, it was just target renders.
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Yeah, I don't know why it's so hard for people to wrap that around their heads. They would obviously not give the actors real hands-on play with the device. The Zelda footage was clearly choppy, but that could be due to a number of reasons. It's frankly surprising that they were okay with that clip, but we should absolutely in no way use it as an indicator of the Switch's power.
 
This is exactly what I was hoping for from Nintendo, I'm equally interested in its capabilities as a standalone tablet. It looks like it is equipped with more than enough horsepower to power a legitimate computer experience (browser, file manager, media player, app store, ect)

I'm not looking to work on Excel spreadsheets on this thing, but to be able to browse the internet well would be amazing. I really hope they have an open OS where people can develop stuff on it.
 
NJDEN said:
This is exactly what I was hoping for from Nintendo, I'm equally interested in its capabilities as a standalone tablet. It looks like it is equipped with more than enough horsepower to power a legitimate computer experience (browser, file manager, media player, app store, ect)

I'm not looking to work on Excel spreadsheets on this thing, but to be able to browse the internet well would be amazing. I really hope they have an open OS where people can develop stuff on it.
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You just reminded me, what the hell is NERD going to do with the NX? (They developed Nintendo's best Emulators and worked on the Wii U's internet functionality all of which are superb)
 
People who think the Zelda footage was actually running on that Switch and not just overlaid in post, and use that to extrapolate the actual power of the system, are hilarious.
 
Kibbles said:
For a machine weaker than a WiiU?
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It's not

ScientificPizza said:
skyrim can run fine on a pretty low end system by today's standards. i imagine if that port happens it'll be completely fine
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It's the remaster, designed for modern platforms, there would be no reason to port a five-and-a-half-year-old 360 game when the remaster just came out

seady said:
With so many configuration of control they are trying to put in the Switch, I can't believe they take out the most important of all (and one that Nintendo started with in the market) : THE TOUCH SCREEN.

I really love the DS era with the innovation they brought to touch screen gaming. Now they back out of that. Same with motion control.
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Zero indication yet that the screen is not touch, likely just de-emphasized in the trailer to keep the messaging clear

Kibbles said:
Isn't this the same specs as a Shield TV? I had one, is the WiiU really weaker than the ShieldTV? Shield wasnt as good as I was expecting. Plus why are people saying this is running games in 504p? MK8 was 720/60 no?
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We have zero information about specs, 504p was an offhand comment from some uninformed guy on another message board who knew nothing about Tegra Parker and what that might mean for Switch

Makai said:
This thing has to be cheap if it's just a standard screen with some cheap controllers and a docking station. $200
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Absolutely 100% no way this could be the price point, expect $300 which is totally reasonable for what you get in this package

Nerrel said:
It's running Zelda at substantially poorer framerates in portable mode. That raises a lot of questions about how powerful the system is. The dock has no processing power, but it will provide a wall outlet, so the system will almost certainly be able to run at higher clocks when docked. But whether that'll be enough to make a leap over Wii U when it's running so much worse in portable mode is hard to say.

Nothing we saw in the trailer looked better than a Wii U title... we saw MK8, Splatoon, and BotW looking identical to the Wii U versions. The new Mario also could have easily been a Wii U game. Even if the system is capable of doing better than Wii U, developers may be held back by the handheld performance. If BotW runs at 15fps without the dock, which it looked like it was in the trailer, then clearly they can't ever do much more than Wii U level visuals without causing portable play to struggle. And if it can run better than that, why did they show that footage? You kind of have to assume that will be typical if Nintendo couldn't find something less janky to show for such a critical reveal.

I would love to be proven wrong, but it seems like we're getting a weaker system than Wii U when playing portably and a system that's equal to Wii U in console mode.
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Good lord

Seriously what in the world is going on these last couple pages with the misinformation and wrongheaded speculation
 
Not a fan to be honest, the detachable controllers seem to only have a single useful function (two player on games designed to be used with simpler controls), beyond that there's no real reason for them to be removable, all they are doing is increasing BOM costs by having to have dual charge controller IC's in the tablet, wireless transmitters inside each controller and a battery pack in each controller too, meaning that depending on the type of game under long play sessions one side of your controller could become unresponsive as the battery dies, unless connected to the tablet portion.

And then, if your controllers batteries are low and you connect them back to the tablet, the tablets overall operation time drops as it's powers split between charging to external batteries and running itself.

In my opinion the controls should have just been a part of the tablet itself with the pro controller included as a standard pack in with the money saved on not having them removable, but then the gimmick the consoles named after is lost and what you end up with is an nvidia shield that plays nintendo games.

For me, the battery performance is whats going to decide whether or not the switch does well or flops, and given that emily rogers (whos leaks about the system seem to have been confirmed) has stated that the battery life is poor, i've less confidence that this is going to go well.

That and the general consensus from Japanese gamers (from reading through various threads/2ch etc) seems to range from mild interest, to outright trolling posting pictures of a ouya pad next to a nvidia shield k1

Also given that the entire trailer showed video overlaid on to the displays and not actual gameplay, it's impossible to judge what the performance/quality of the games will be like, I am however hesitant to assume that they're going to surpass WiiU performance on a tegra chip.
 
something i just thought of, the joy cons if able to be used without the joy con grip or the the switch connected to them, would mean that each would require a power source, so essentially the unit would have 3 power sources, the tablet, and both joy pads

i think the more likely scenario would be that they require either the switch to be connected to them or the joy con grip which would have its own power source
 
Naudi said:
That's why all I want is a home console...not a mobile hybrid. Can get alot more power for way less $ when they don't have to worry about form factor. Why is it so hard for people to understand that? This product isn't for me and that's a bummer. Unless it's sub 200$ then it's cheap enough to not care, since it's doomed to be a Nintendo game only machine.
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Oh it's perfectly fine if it's not for you, I do understand that. Indeed there's the downside of its power in it being a hybrid.
 
I'd still rather just get their output on my mobile device and connect a separate controller. I bought into the 3ds and Vita, and every other handheld before that, but not anymore. Combining the two into one brings the worst of both worlds. An underpowered console, and an oversized handheld.

Not interested anymore.
 
One thing about the reveal trailer that makes me incredibly uncomfortable is how beautiful/handsome the people playing the games are.
 
Matt said:
Well for a start pretty much nothing in that trailer was actually running on the Switch when bein filmed. It's all post work, the actor wasn't actually playing Zelda in portable mode.
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It's very clear in the trailer, when they focus the guy's face that the reflection is only a white light.
 
Anybody else feel this thing is gonna look different when they actually do the full reveal and its finally out? It just looks so rough. Kinda looks like a prototype. Cant remember now, but didn't the Wii U gamepad end up looking different then when it was first revealed?
 
UncleSporky said:
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Seriously what in the world is going on these last couple pages with the misinformation and wrongheaded speculation
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Everything I said is reasonable if you assume the video is any indication at all of how the system will run. Maybe you don't think the video is, and that's perfectly reasonable too, but this is all that we have to go on. At this point, with what little we've seen, it doesn't look great to me.

I hope I'm wrong. I really don't want Wii U+ level graphics.

UncleSporky said:
It looks substantially better.
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Substantially? Any differences I see are within the margin of error (blurrier off-TV image, different lighting in the environment).
 
KamiCrit said:
Where did you preorder it from?
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Marty Chinn said:
Wait, who's taking preorders?
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Sorry guys, I'm in Australia, not sure about yourselves. I preordered from a local chain called JB HiFi. They had it up on their website this morning. Same with EB Games.

I went in this morning and put a deposit down. They had no idea what I was talking about and I had to point it out on their website lol. For what it's worth, the two people behind the counter were like "wow, that looks really cool. Switch hey?" Haha.
 
What if all of the footage captured for the commercial was done using portable mode, and docked mode achieves a different power setting? I know what Nintendo said, but this thing has to be downcycling in battery mode.

Too many unknowns right now to determine what that Zelda footage means or if they'll tighten up the frame rate before release.
 
I'm new be nice said:
I'd still rather just get their output on my mobile device and connect a separate controller. I bought into the 3ds and Vita, and every other handheld before that, but not anymore. Combining the two into one brings the worst of both worlds. An underpowered console, and an oversized handheld.

Not interested anymore.
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I kind of feel you, there. I want something that will fit in my pocket if I'm getting a portable. And it does seem to be a big sacrifice in power.

I just can't see myself propping the tablet up in a public place and using the JoyCons when it's much simpler and less obtrusive to use a smaller dedicated handheld, or a phone.
 
Is Nintendo basically just targeting adults with this? The size of the Switch would make it fairly unwieldy for a little kid to hold. In other words, is Nintendo's new strategy to make the DS series a kid-only device? I can't see Nintendo having two portable device platforms targeting the same market.
 
eyeball_kid said:
Is Nintendo basically just targeting adults with this? The size of the Switch would make it fairly unwieldy for a little kid to hold. In other words, is Nintendo's new strategy to make the DS series a kid-only device? I can't see Nintendo having two portable device platforms targeting the same market.
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Nah, have you seen the amount of kids on ipads??
 
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