Great point. That would be terrific, especially if the Switch is affordable. I could see in some markets that if Switch costs less than a midrange iPad, it can have success in that market in a way Surface didn't.
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Great point. That would be terrific, especially if the Switch is affordable. I could see in some markets that if Switch costs less than a midrange iPad, it can have success in that market in a way Surface didn't.
Ideally it would be when they announce the features of the system though I think that makes most sense. I'm sure they'll say 3rd party apps in or not when they do the blowout reveal of the console.
If they say none now but some in future maybe, then we can wait 3 months from launch... I guess.
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Nah I can't watch Netflix in my location. Also don't watch movies in the first place lol. I'll be playin then games.
I see what you are saying in the second paragraph, but I also see them having the ability to really sell this as a games machine. Their message with the reveal trailer was on point and I think they are gonna continue to knock it out of the park with their messaging going forward. If they can get across that this is a games machine and it will have the games that you wanna play, then lack of other distractions will not be as important. Reggie can explain that you've already got a million devices that show Netflix , but Nintendo wants you to play Switch.
I should have said Wii/DS as I lump those together. People should have bought them once and that's that. They may have used the argument that "its different architecture" but that doesn't cut it these days.
It cost money
TheMoon
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Crazy PS4 moved 2m in 2 weeks, 4.2 in 5 weeks. During the Holiday "next generation" (lol yea right) hype bonanza period. X1 did 3 million in the same timeframe (5 weeks).
Dumb analyst says 2m shipped is only good if Switch launches end of March and bad if it launches early March. That just sounds all sorts of ridiculous to me, expectations wise.
How do you not know who Nabbit is while in a thread about a new Nintendo console?
Exactly! 0,00 EUR/USD/GBP/Yen/etc
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2 million at launch is really fairly conservative, even outside the holiday season. Any new hardware will have a large chunk of first-day adopters, especially gaming (and even more especially NINTENDO) hardware. The sales might drop off quite quickly after launch, but hopefully pick up at the holidays. But I'd say 2 million for 2-3 weeks in March is fairly reasonable.
EDIT: I should note I'm assuming a price between $199 and $249 for the above.
This is what Nintendo should have always been doing -- the Sony method.
In any case, it's hard to say whether they'll re-charge VC customers. Anything you bought on Wii U or 3DS is on your NNID which is certainly gonna be incorporated into Switch. Those purchases are going to be on your account. On the other hand, the Switch is new hardware which means Nintendo would have to re-develop and re-test all its emulator jackets again. That costs money.
You know the name of every random fourth string side character Nintendo ever made? Congrats I guess.
Happy to go with whatever you prefer. Nabbit will be glad to hop in to your avatar cube whenever it's time.
Thanks. I completely agree that the success of the Switch overall definitely is contingent on its success as a gaming system first and foremost. That kind of statement doesn't sound like how Reggie or Nintendo usually spin things. They'd probably be more likely to say "wait and see," but I could be wrong of course. I feel like their PR is usually as positive a spin as possible. They do seem to like having these apps in, though. Like with 3DS, how useful is Netflix there? I can't imagine very for most players in the US at least. I figure it's more successful in Japan as an app for 3DS, but here I assume most kids with Netflix have plenty of other options. I guess I just imagine Nintendo will position Switch as "gaming first, but you can definitely do all this other tablet stuff, too." (Especially if they include a touchscreen as rumored, though, OTOH I definitely don't want the messaging to go too far off-point into straight up tablet territory because games need to be the primary focus or people will have less reason not to stick with their known commodities.) We shall see though. It'll be interesting either way.
Happy to go with whatever you prefer. Nabbit will be glad to hop in to your avatar cube whenever it's time.
Thanks. I completely agree that the success of the Switch overall definitely is contingent on its success as a gaming system first and foremost. That kind of statement doesn't sound like how Reggie or Nintendo usually spin things. They'd probably be more likely to say "wait and see," but I could be wrong of course. I feel like their PR is usually as positive a spin as possible. They do seem to like having these apps in, though. Like with 3DS, how useful is Netflix there? I can't imagine very for most players in the US at least. I figure it's more successful in Japan as an app for 3DS, but here I assume most kids with Netflix have plenty of other options. I guess I just imagine Nintendo will position Switch as "gaming first, but you can definitely do all this other tablet stuff, too." (Especially if they include a touchscreen as rumored, though, OTOH I definitely don't want the messaging to go too far off-point into straight up tablet territory because games need to be the primary focus or people will have less reason not to stick with their known commodities.) We shall see though. It'll be interesting either way.
I don't think adding those apps made either device more successful though, and I think Nintendo is well aware of that. We will see 😜
TheMoon
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DSLite and Wii are their only console launches cracking that multi-million number or coming even close.
Pls. Nabbit steals the show every time he appears.
Ah, I see. Thank you. I can see where Skittzo0413 is coming from, too, though. So I guess I just am not knowledgeable about these kinds of figures enough to do much beyond nod and semi-understand. I guess all I really care about is that the product is successful and we can get one day one.
FWIW, I think I vaguely recollect something about how Nintendo was making Wii U VC architecture with the intention of folding the tech into future systems. I believe someone on GAF mentioned the way SNES VC for N3DS is made indicates they could do the same thing with it. So hopefully they'll be able to easily have tons of VC day/month one. I think a third console drip-feed would be a huge mistake, personally.
I'll take that congrats if he doesn't. I'd say I can probably get to the fourth string by memory.
I'm not sure they did make them more successful, I agree. I think they help the overall appeal of the product, though, at least for something like Wii U or Switch (as to 3DS, I'd say it primarily would help only in some markets). At this point I imagine most with Netflix have it where/when they want it, so I agree it wouldn't make a big difference to Switch, but I'll still contend it will be in and that they'd be concerned about it looking "lesser" without it.
Thought Wii U sold multi-million in its launch period? Apologies in advance if I'm misunderstanding.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/30/nintendo-financials-reveal-wii-u-sales
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You don't understand. Reggie held a gun against Azak's head and made him pay the upgrade fee.
So you are saying that people are illogical? I suppose I agree... but that's not a good reason for Nintendo to include that stuff.
I'm obviously the only one here that thinks the way I do, so I'm probably wrong, but I think that's the direction Nintendo is going.
Excited about my first ever gaf bet lol. Can't wait til the full reveal.
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Don't you guys remember? When the Pikmin were carrying all the stuff from the Wii to the Wii U and suddenly Olimar stops them and asks for our credit card number or he will kill 1 pikmin every 5 minutes and drop all our shit? (his words)
It was awful, no wonder everyone repressed it.
It was awful, no wonder everyone repressed it.
Hmm, illogical...I guess I'm saying that, but only in the sense that it's only *sort of* illogical of people to be disappointed in Switch for not having Netflix functionality they don't necessarily care about, because it is logical to expect it in a tablet device and a Nintendo product at that point. So, semi-logical, let's say. I think it's my first GAF bet too! I'm psyched.
Hmm, illogical...I guess I'm saying that, but only in the sense that it's only *sort of* illogical of people to be disappointed in Switch for not having Netflix functionality they don't necessarily care about, because it is logical to expect it in a tablet device and a Nintendo product at that point. So, semi-logical, let's say. I think it's my first GAF bet too! I'm psyched.
It's illogical because as you said people that use those apps already have at least one device that can play those apps.
It's like you are already full but you want more food because your brother is still eating.
I don't think Nintendo would fear looking like a lesser system if they can sell the games device message that I'm counting on. They can say they are better, they are giving you something to play and they don't need to pad out their offering with other stuff. Of course they'll have to be careful how they present that message without stepping on toes of companies like Netflix, in case they do need them on down the line.
I think that would fall under the previous bet category unless Nintendo bought the BBC.
My guess for VC is that you will be able to transfer your Wii U VC purchases to the Switch for free, but you will have to pay a small fee if you want to upgrade them with whatever new features they offer (i.e. scanline filter, multiple save states, pixel perfect option, etc.)
TheMoon
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Seems I was looking at the wrong part of the table (used Ninty's financial history PDF).
I wonder if we could pair WiiMotes with this thing. They do have Bluetooth after all. That way we could also use the new NES mini controllers.
So many controllers.
I selfishly hope not, just because I just boxed up all my remotes/nunchuks/sensor bars and put them in a closet...
TheMoon
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How about you just keep them boxed up while we enjoy our accessory backwards compatibility
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The example you gave is exactly why I think they need 3rd party apps and software on the Switch. The Switch won't be a "hardcore" machine based on the specs we can assume it will have. Their market will be people who may play games more casually and are less likely to sit in front of a TV for hours on end.
When you're talking about mobility, I absolutely think the idea of a multi-use device absolutely comes into play. Smartphones and tablets did a lot to replace multiple devices at once. If the Switch offers just gaming capabilities, I don't see many people besides hardcore Nintendo fans making an effort to bring it with them.
How about you just keep them boxed up while we enjoy our accessory backwards compatibility
I'll accept that if I can use my Wii U Pro controller
TheMoon
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They also want you to simply USE the thing. If you end up using it to watch a movie via streaming, you might then pop back into your home plaza (you can bet a "version" of the Wara Wara Plaza [free ads] will be there again), see a cool post and check out a game you didn't know about before and buy it. Or play a game after finishing a movie since you're already on the device anyway.
Active users, yo. The promised land!
I think hardcore games machine means something different to you vs me and Nintendo (if I'm right about this anyway). I'm saying hardcore in the sense that it does one thing, it plays games. Has nothing to do with the message board arms race. Graphics are good enough for most people and have been for years. Hard to believe to us on GAF but most people don't give two shits about specs. If it has games, high quality with wide appeal, then it's a hardcore games machine. If it only plays games, regardless of specs, and has some good serious gamer software, then Nintendos message can easily be that this is the hardcore machine for gamers.
At the same time they can market it to more casual crowds with blue ocean software which I'm sure they are hoping for, they are probably doing their best to have at least one or two hits like Wii sports and brain age as opposed to Wii Music. We will see how that turns out, those kinds of broad appeal hits are the hard part.
Wara wara and miiverse and that stuff isn't 3rd party, I wouldn't be surprised if those kinds of things exist still on the Switch.
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I think he meant that Nintendo wants people to use Switch at least for third-party services to serve ads and hook up to their new games and products.
This is what they are constantly going for: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=851215
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Exactly.
Miiverse was one of the Wii U's biggest successes. 0 question about its return.
I mean technically Platinum/Sega, yeah, but we all know we wouldn't have gotten Bayo 2 if it wasn't for Nintendo. And the Switch is definitely the most likely platform for a theoretical Bayo 3.
plus it was just a shitty pun lol
Ummm.. that's what I said. It's not a 3rd party entertainment app. I'm not arguing Nintendo won't have a miiverse equivalent. My bet was 3rd party apps like Netflix.
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But you are still going through Nintendo's system UI before opening the app. This UI can be (and currently is) used to display mild advertisement such as SpotPass newsletters or Miiverse impressions.
TheMoon
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You ignored the other part above.
Holy shit, you're right
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I'm just parroting terms I've read elsewhere here since I don't know wtf they mean, but apparently in handheld mode the Switch is "underclocked" at the dock "upclocks" it, even if it doesn't add more processing power from the unit. It looks like there are intake vents on the back of it, from what I understand the handheld is "low power mode" and when docked it's "full power mode" to be able to output a higher resolution to an HDTV. So I don't think just Frankensteining a plug to get the video signal from the Switch to a TV would work if it needs to be in the dock to run at full power. You'd presumably have to plug the Switch into a wall to not drain the battery in minutes while running stuff on the TV, and at that point you may as well just put it in the dock where it can get the constant power needed to run in TV mode.
I can't imagine switch taking any meaningful marketshare away from tablets. But it doesn't have to. Apps like Netflix etc aren't necessarily a reason to buy a switch instead of a tablet - they're a way to keep people on the switch rather than put it in your bag and swap to a different device to watch a show. So it's more about stickiness than moving people from other ecosystems
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You've seen the video. That's all we know. Plus control inputs found via analysis and rumors. That is it.
Well I suppose you could run a 'tv only' cable which stayed at 720p? Or require power as well but yeah that could get messy
Which part? The link to a thread where someone went to the eshop > miiverse > eshop?
I'm not arguing there won't be an eshop.
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I'm guessing it using a modified version of Google Playstore, so all the apps would come from the Playstore of the developer wanted to do the work. Netflix, Hulu, etc would be the for sure. Will it get Facebook, Kik, Instagram, watch ESPN, etc. That will be telling.
At this point though, I'm assuming it is a tablet also. Albeit a small one. Like a Kindle with an app store. It is a tablet though. I will be surprised if it is not.
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You're completely missing the point then.
Nothing of this has anything to do with the existence of an eShop or a plaza or a Miiverse.
Read again with highlights.
You're completely missing the point then.
Nothing of this has anything to do with the existence of an eShop or a plaza or a Miiverse.
Read again with highlights.
Let's see what happens. 😏
Have people discussed the grooves in the four cardinal directions on the control stick? I feel like this is something small that might actually have a noticeable impact on the way mainpulates the control stick. I've noticed in recent years the direction we naturally push a control stick doesn't always match the direction we're intending. It's small but you're more likely to push slightly to the side when trying to tilt forward. This is a natural consequence of controller grips being angled, which makes your thumb come in at angle.
If you're able to feel which direction is where directly on the stick without tilting, that could lead to some increased control accuracy.
If you're able to feel which direction is where directly on the stick without tilting, that could lead to some increased control accuracy.
Skittzo0413
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I noticed those grooves but for some reason it didn't click in my head that they were any different. That's a very interesting find, and a good thought for the reasoning behind it.
TheMoon
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Noticed right away but I never put it together like you did.
edit: and now that I looked at them again, the notches are on top and not around the stick's base. meaning what I said there makes no sense.
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I'd rather just all black, but I can live with black and gray since all my stuff is black, except for the TV stand in my game room which is gray/silver/glass.
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