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Nintendo Switch Presentation - January 12th
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TheMoon
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Why would you assume they wouldn't got and fix the one thing EVERY SINGLE PERSON complained about in a new release?
Yeah yeah i nkow everyone is saying that, and i say good luck with sending a wrong message first and changing it after wise, good luck with that. It seems nobody never learns
They never send a wrong message about the Switch in the first place.
Sports Superstars is a great idea but not as a launch title. Maybe a April game I think Nintendo would want NBA and FIFA to be the go to sports titles at launch to help 3rd parties.
Looking at the release date for Sports Superstars it's due out in Spring. So between March and May. It would be a better idea to release FIFA and NBA at launch then Sports Superstars at May 2 months later. 3DS version can also release the same day as Switch version.
Mario Kart needs an Arcade Mode that changes up the rules every week. Only shells, no drifting, no tricks, no items. Stuff like that. They should make a service out of Mario Kart.
This and they also said in the past the nx would start from zero install base. They are going back to basic. Actually in competition with the rest by games, but at other side deliver the users something unique in hardware.
To make it clear, they don't have to use the subtitle: Mario Kart 8: "an old WiiU game".
They could name it: Mario Kart Ultimate. Or Mario Kart World for all i care.
You need to understand, that there may not be coming a MK9. And if giving MK8 away for free is a bad idea, then who the fuck would want to buy it at full price?
Right, bundle the one game everybody at launch is going to buy ANYWAY. Yes, you should definitely apply for a seat on the board.
The point is that it is in Nintendo's best interest to get this Mario Kart in as many hands as possible, because there very likely isn't going to be a Mario Kart 9 anytime soon. The early adopters of Switch will very likely be the WiiU owners as well, among which a lot MK8 owners. If you do not bundle the game, a lot of them will NOT buy it again, unless you sell it at the price of a DLC pack, which Nintendo is not going to do.
I also don't see any actual arguments coming from your side, except "not a good idea because reasons". The only half decent argument would be perception, and like has been stated numerous times, you can deal with that by adjusting name, marketing etc. As long as there is other content available on the system, it will not be a problem. Read Terell's posts.
That's the thing, you will get it for (basically) free. Would you buy it again? No? Well, then you should get ready for a long ass time before you get to see MK9 on Switch, if it is ever coming. MK needs a thriving online community, it's the way to make sure everybody is playing it.
Because people are dumb, right?
It's not for free. You pay money for it. Your might as well pay a full price. Who knows. And you can't avoid that. Even if you have already MK8 and played the hell out of it. That's not incentive, it's punishment. A simple console without any bundled game and cheaper had more value than that.
It might be in Nintendo's best interest, but it's not in the consumer's interest. As I said, you pay more for a bundle with a game you have no interest in it. It's a bad business and no incentive for a lot of Wii U owners. Especially the ones who bought also all the DLCs, so spent already a significant amount of money for the same game.
It's not fucking free. You pay for everything that's included in the bundle.
This sounds terrible.
Why
Comment on dit "you're overthinking this" en français ? Je sais même pas... "Tu y réfléchis trop" ? C'est censé être ma langue maternelle. Quelle déchéance.
Anyway, you're overthinking this.
We're only thinking about the system in terms of it being a home console because that's the official word and because the 3DS is still alive and the Wii U's dead. It's the "DS is a third pillar" spiel all over again. Everything Nintendo could have come up with but a fully dedicated handheld with no TV out would have been seen as the de facto new home console. Also, home consoles are much more exciting to Western audiences. Home consoles are seen as the "main market", the machines that usher in the new generation and set the standard for how far video games have come.
Come on, they haven't literally said "Switch is not for you". They've just said that they're not retiring the 3DS. Again, third pillar and stuff.
Also, Nintendo knows that a reveal trailer will be seen and talked about by hobbyists first and foremost, so it makes sense to focus on young adults. It's just a 3 minute reveal anyway, it's not meant to be an actual commercial. We'll see who Nintendo targets when they actually throw an ad campaign. The only thing I'm not too sure about is the esports stuff. I doubt being a hybrid brings any sort of advantage to competitive gaming.
I think the inability of gamers to imagine what the system will be like and who it will be for is because they haven't focused on the games yet. A few seconds of footage from ports that may or may not be running on actual hardware doesn't give you a clear idea of what the point of the system is. But again, the trailer is about unveiling the system's base functionality. We'll see about the games on January 12th.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
I think Nintendo has a decent shot at a successful machine with the Switch, but the pricing strategy will be an important factor. I would like to see -
£250 Core bundle with software included. Either a cool new mini-game collection that shows off the system, or Mario Kart. Or maybe both.
£350 Zelda bundle. Limited Edition Gold Cart. Pro controller + Mario Kart / Mini game collection.
£250 with software included is approaching impulse buy territory, which I think the Big N needs given all the competition they have. They shouldn't be losing money at that price either I wouldn't think.
Getting off to a good start will be vital to the success of the machine. There are many alternatives this gen for consumers to consider, and Nintendo are going to have to fight for them. Hoepfully they aren't once again delusional about their value proposition.
£250 Core bundle with software included. Either a cool new mini-game collection that shows off the system, or Mario Kart. Or maybe both.
£350 Zelda bundle. Limited Edition Gold Cart. Pro controller + Mario Kart / Mini game collection.
£250 with software included is approaching impulse buy territory, which I think the Big N needs given all the competition they have. They shouldn't be losing money at that price either I wouldn't think.
Getting off to a good start will be vital to the success of the machine. There are many alternatives this gen for consumers to consider, and Nintendo are going to have to fight for them. Hoepfully they aren't once again delusional about their value proposition.
bruh
Mostly good points I just wanted to pick up the competitive gaming point.
It does bring the significant advantage as shown in the trailers that it should be very straightforward for tournament organisers, particularly smaller ones, to just hook up a few docks to some screens then let the players bring their own hardware. Depending on the game in question, it could have big advantages in each player having their own custom set-up ready to go, rather than having to deal with the same standardised save file for every player.
I'm not saying it'll ever be used to its full potential, but who knows. If Splatoon isn't the next Nintendo e-sport, there's still Smash and Pokemon to consider.
Orniletter
Banned
" if they choose to bundle any title at alll"
It is far, far more likely that they'll release a Zelda deluxe bundle that comes with...say... a new pro controller and Zelda for 50 bucks more ...
...then throw an up ported MK8 in there for "free".
This is not rocket science, Mario Kart 8, as upgraded as it may be, will be an almost 3 years old by March 2017. That'd leave a terrible first impression as your showstopper pack in.
Shikamaru Ninja
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I think it's more to do that Nintendo failed at selling asymmetrical gameplay. The idea of Nintendo Land was fantastic, but the execution of the tablet concept failed every time. It failed with Nintendo Land, it failed with Star Fox Zero.
Pack-ins aren't free. They raise the MSRP. It makes zero sense to pack-in Mario Kart or Zelda if it automatically raises the MSRP $50, for a game that's going to sell 5-10 million instantly on its own. What makes sense is maybe packing-in a moderately budgeted lesser IP like a Wii Play or a WIi Sports, that's built around the multiplayer anywhere ethos of the system.
TheMoon
Member
I would argue that Nintendo Land didn't failed at showing the asymmetrical gameplay, especially in multiplayer (Mario, Luigi's Mansion and Animal Crossing minigames are still the best MP party games on Wii U) but the game didn't provide enough value for $350 to be justified. Or even $300.
Which brings me to the following point. If Switch is $199 or $249 then it can have whatever bundled game. But if it is $299 or above, the bundled game must be valued at minimum $40 in the eyes of the public to make the deal look better.
Edit: saw this later
Exactly my earlier point. Especially since Nintendo specifically said they will not sell Switch at loss.
TheMoon
Member
It failed at showing/convincing people they need to buy this system because of it. As a game it succeeded in all disciplines.
Orniletter
Banned
The idea is to leech off of Zelda's popularity. Make a bundle that includes everything that people, who are only here for Zelda, would want.
I'm absolutely not saying this will happen. I'm 90+% sure it won't. I'd still make more sense than including MK8 Deluxe.
I do wonder if MK8:Switched could fill the Wii Sports/Nintendo Land slot of being the default free pack-in game. Would be a nice gesture to the vast majority of WiiU owners who already own the game, and give every Switch owner a great game that would make use of the local-multiplayer feature of the Joy-cons.
If they do that I'd expect them to keep the MK8 branding, and for a brand new MK9 to appear a few years down the line.
Deluxe Zelda bundle makes sense, and if Nintendo don't do it themselves then retailers will do it anyway at an increased cost.
TheDinoman
Member
We should take the rest of 2016, and push it somewhere else!
Super Mario Run will save our souls!
MemoryHumanity
Member
I think this might be the worst idea I've ever heard.
A separate mode with charging rules is such a bad thing for you?
Shikamaru Ninja
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If Nintendo wants to push their big 3 as esports, does Mario Kart need to lose the blue shells? Maybe have a championship mode where the items are balanced to promote skill // luck rather than catch up?
Linkstrikesback
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That's not how this works. There's no such thing as free. If they include a game with the console, even if they intended to charge the same price regardless, they're at minimum going to appear to be charging more for the console and forcing a game on you.
Glass Rebel
Member
Has Nintendo shown any indication that they wanna push MK as esport?
F-Zero would be a better fit.
Aside from popularity.
GhostTrick
Banned
It's pretty simple in fact. Nintendo do so for two reasons:
1. Price and hardware related. Switch will be expensive. From 250 dollars to 300 dollars. That is really expensive for a handheld. Not for a home console though. And that's a perfect excuse on the hardware side when we will find out that the device last 3 hours with the lowest brightness and barely 2 hours in normal conditions.
2. If Switch is a failure, they can bet on a official 3DS successor. Positioning Switch as a handheld would mean in case of failure, they'd have to wait at least 4 years before replacing it. But as a home console ? If it's a failure, they can have a backup plan one year later, with a handheld SKU playing switch games and a new brand, leaving home console market safely.
While Switch is an appealing device IMO, I think it'll be the next Wii U/Vita if Nintendo fails to cather to their 3DS audience.
A separate mode might be acceptable but it doesn't sound fun at all. I also don't like the idea of Mario Kart as a service, at least not one that starts as an expanded MK8.
What if being an esport actually means that Nintendo will push it, and the two things make it more popular? Not that i expect this to ever happen, but it would be amazing.Has Nintendo shown any indication that they wanna push MK as esport?
F-Zero would be a better fit.
Aside from popularity.
Sir Garbageman
Member
Has there been any talk or speculation on re-releasing or remastering 3DS games?
Selfishly I sold my 3DS a while back but now have the itch to play FE Fates.
Selfishly I sold my 3DS a while back but now have the itch to play FE Fates.
TheMoon
Member
You're not gonna be playing any 3DS games on Switch.
Its almost certain theres no hardware conpatibility, but we can always hope for eshop.
Dark Cloud
Member
I think if the Switch sells more than the N64 it should be looked at as a success for Nintendo.
I've seen this theory thrown around and I can't understand how it can work. At that point Nintendo would have 2 devices failing and killed early in roughly 5 years. Their last two gaming devices. SEGAed. No amount of marketing or spinning will repair this. You would have to be insane to buy a third device from them at launch under these circumstances. Because what if that would be killed early too?
Definitely. And I'd love them to go down that route.
If you think about what a service is, it's a game that people play for a very long period of time that the developers continue to support. That would be perfect for Nintendo that never releases more than one game of their key franchises on each system. There's only one MK Wii and only one MK DS. Why not release the enhanced port, implement a eSports mode and another Arcade Mode with changing rules and wacky mechanics? Nintendo gamers are already very engaged with those franchises but if you release new content like they did with Splatoon and meatier content updates via DLC as seen on MK8? Why not?
The way they handled Splatoon was masterful.
The very reason of Switch existence is streamline development process, at least that's what Nintendo told us, keep relaying on 3DS kinda defeats Switch whole porpuses, that's what I don't understand, why they can't be clear about it, instead making us believe on this unified ecosystem gaming heaven where we get every handheld serie on Switch, maybe they are still not sure about the platform success.
Dark Cloud
Member
The 3DS exists and it has a big fanbase. There are games coming to it. Of course they're going to talk about it. You guys are overthinking things way too much.
I disagree.
1) We don´t know the price. It could be 200 or 250$, but nothing indicates that the switch is going to be expensive.
2) I don´t think their backup plan is a handheld only SKU. Gamedevelopment takes a lot of time these days, they can´t suddenly make a new platform and put their games on it. Why would a handheld only SKU be succesful when the Switch bombs even though it has the whole Nintendo firstparty power? The backup plan is mobile but not a handheld SKU.
The reason they are calling the Switch a home console is:
1) Marketing: A console you can take anywhere sounds far better than a handheld with HDMI-output.
2) Holiday 3ds sales: Pokemon SM are the most preordered Nintendo games, they will move systems. Calling the Switch the 3ds successor now will only reduce their income and have no additional benefit.
Just wait until next year and it´s going to be obvious that the Switch is also the 3ds successor. There might be a handheld only SKU or a homeconsole SKU in late 2018 but they will stil belong to the Switch ecosystem.
BronzeWolf
Banned
I'm calling a $249 basic Switch. That's my bet
Skittzo0413
Member
I think these ports are dominating the discussion simply because we don't know what other games Nintendo is working on. We can be sure that there are other games, but since we really have no clue what else is coming we can only speculate on the games shown and rumored, i.e. ports, Mario and BotW.
Just in case anybody is worried about all the Wii U port talk.
Just in case anybody is worried about all the Wii U port talk.
Astral Dog
Member
The 3DS brings the bread to the table, they just dont want to (talk) replace 3DS yet when there are lots of games to market, so they choose to go after Wii U owners first, we will know more at the January presentation.
this is more like the "3rd pillar" talk of the original DS
They didn't say "Switch is not for you, it's not the follow up to the 3ds, keep your 3ds and wait". They are just saying that the Switch is not replacing the 3DS right now because the 3DS is a pretty much a separate and living platform and they are still keeping it alive, whether we like it or not. Big and mid-level games are still hitting the 3DS in 2017. They don't want to kill the potential success of those games by sending the wrong message to the existing 3DS users. It's basically letting the userbase and the developers gradually move into the Switch for the portable crowd rather than forcing a kill to 3DS life support and pray that the same crowd moves into the Switch quick.
Davey Cakes
Member
My bet is single SKU. Last time Ninty did a basic and premium it burnt them.
ShadowFox08
Member
That was because the Wii u price was a bit high at launch, among other things. 300-350 was a bit ridiculous.
If they have a basic sku at 250, and a bundle at 300, it would do wonders.
Yeah. And even if it hadn't burnt them, the last thing they want is to confuse people and make the buying process hard(er).
Consoles are not PCs, and they're not a tech-savvy person's device. They are and always will be about convenience and accessibility for the mass market. Buy the thing, plug it in, put game in, turn on, bam, you're good to go. Side note, but this is one of the things that rub me the wrong way about the PS4 Pro and the Scorpio: they're taking yet one more step towards making consoles more complicated and more PC-like... If only they took the good things about PC gaming - like, oh, I don't know, free online? -, I wouldn't mind, but this...
Anyway, Nintendo's not about that, and what they did with the Wii U was frankly baffling in that respect. I don't believe that "3 bundles starting at $260" rumor one bit by the way. Doesn't make any sense after the Wii U.