United States Election: Nov. 8, 2016 |OT| Hate Trumps Love

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Hillary or Trump will become the president elect with higher unfavorable rate in USA history, or there was someone even more hated?
 
All right, so just one more day, and then it's voting time...

Get out and vote, not just for you, but also for everyone else.

I do not want to entertain the thought of Trump being in the helm even though he is very unlikely to win the position. It's really easy to have things go really wrong; please, don't let that happen.

I suspect there'll be much to read about after Election Day...
 
HalfBaked said:
BBC coverage (and UK media in general) of this election has been fucking weird. They are quite desperate for this to be a close race and have regularly given Trump the edge.

It's like there's a desperation to show we aren't the only ones who can voluntarily fuck ourselves over.
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I know right, they keep trying to compare the two campaigns and just add bulls hit fluff on HILLARYS side to somehow match Trump's sexual assault admission and general racism

She coughed a lot one time.

She fainted one time.

The way the Clinton Foundation is run is "uncomfortable".

She was found innocent of any crime for the second time in a row.


Okay, and? Any of that is equivalent to

dog whistling the shit out of BLM,

admitting to sexual assaults,

being accused by more than 10 women of assaults,

calling Mexicans criminals,

insulting the parents of a fallen soldier because they're Muslim

, refusing to turn in tax returns,

Being sued for discriminating against black people in your housing businesses

Calling for innocent black teens to be given the death penalty.

Being taken to court for setting up a fake educational institutions designed to drain money from desperate people's pockets. Like aaaaall of their money.

Bankrupting and failing to pay back debts time after time after time after time after time after time after time.

Etc

Etc

Etc



CROOKED HILLARY THOUGH..AMIRITE?

They keep playing these clips of people calling her less of two evils, people saying they will only vote for a man who literally lies for a career because they don't trust Hillary.


At least Brexit supporters had no concrete evidence of what they were truly voting for, dumb as it was, but Trump is right there. We can all see him. We all see how he acts, what he says, who he likes, who he doesn't. And 50% of America likes what they see.

Come on guys, landslide the shitty out of this man. Make it crystal clear you don't want a racist, sexist, theiving, lying, abusive, compulsive liar as the face of your nation.
 
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Trump radicalized me- not even in the Bush years did I actively campaign for the Democrats but his fucking bullshit pushed me too far. After canvassing for Clinton in Virginia, I'm confident we got this people.

Be safe out there and lets make this twelve fucking years of progress!
 
I'm getting the feeling Hillary is going to top Obamas numbers.

New voters and a very Hispanic tinge are gonna wash over Trump like a wave over a tiny seawall.
 
Bam Bam Baklava said:
You think that's nuts? Just look at what the fine folks at Trafalgar polling are showing in Michigan and Pennsylvania. Very reliable.
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ZiaPoll is a New Mexico based non-partisan public opinion pollster. The company uses scientific and unbiased methods, in tandem with multiple technologies, to gather and provide analysis on The Pulse of New Mexico.

ZiaPoll aims to gauge the public opinion of New Mexicans while representing the demographic and geographic breakdown of New Mexico. All polls are paid for, designed, and analyzed by ZiaPoll.
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Zia_Poll_NM_November.pdf
 
Newsnight (BBC again) literally giving Ann Coulter air time to spout her bile.

"It's not Racism, it's an immigration issue. We don't want Russian immigrants either. They're white. It's clearly about immigration, not race".

That was after her doubling down on "extreme vetting" for all Muslims and, reiterating why "The Wall" is definitely getting built.
 
Trump's salty deplorables chanting "CNN sucks" at his rally. I can't wait for these turds to crawl back into their holes.
 
HalfBaked said:
BBC coverage (and UK media in general) of this election has been fucking weird. They are quite desperate for this to be a close race and have regularly given Trump the edge.

It's like there's a desperation to show we aren't the only ones who can voluntarily fuck ourselves over.
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I generally think BBC News is extremely reputable and classy but their coverage has been dire these last few weeks. I know they have to be non-partisan even if they can't really have an effect on the election, but I've been shocked by the amount they've tried to make things look even.

I can't remember the exact quote, but yesterday they had a piece describing how, even if Clinton was leading in the polls, having such a narrow lead must be 'humiliating'.

It's mostly surprising because there have been a number of polls over here that show Trump is pretty thoroughly detested. So tonight, having a series of interviews with voters in Pennsylvania, all of whom said they hated Clinton and were voting Trump, just comes across as baffling. The news channels over here never seem to be particularly locked in a ratings battle, so all it really serves is to make people scared shitless.
 
paradox121 said:
I generally think BBC News is extremely reputable and classy but their coverage has been dire these last few weeks. I know they have to be non-partisan even if they can't really have an effect on the election, but I've been shocked by the amount they've tried to make things look even.

I can't remember the exact quote, but yesterday they had a piece describing how, even if Clinton was leading in the polls, having such a narrow lead must be 'humiliating'.

It's mostly surprising because there have been a number of polls over here that show Trump is pretty thoroughly detested. So tonight, having a series of interviews with voters in Pennsylvania, all of whom said they hated Clinton and were voting Trump, just comes across as baffling. The news channels over here never seem to be particularly locked in a ratings battle, so all it really serves is to make people scared shitless.
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You kind of expect it with Sky News. It's a Murdoch channel after all.

But the BBC and Channel 4, both normally so good at just presenting the facts without the need to add embellished drama, have been quite shocking in the way they have covered this election.
 
Never forget what happened the last time a competent woman that a lot of people hated ran against a pompous blowhard with no clue what he was doing and actively worked with our enemies...


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The blowhard won and we were enslaved by killer robots.

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allan-bh said:
Hillary or Trump will become the president elect with higher unfavorable rate in USA history, or there was someone even more hated?
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Thing is, Hillary's unfavorables tend to flip once she's actually on the job.

Trump would plunge America (and eventually the world) into the abyss. He's so bad the financial markets boomed when they found out that Clinton wasn't going to be indicted and was leading the presidential race.
 
sasliquid said:
What's the earliest we may start getting a firm idea of the results (British here so I'm not sure)
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Like, 2am - 5am GMT is crunch time. Sucks.

paradox121 said:
I generally think BBC News is extremely reputable and classy but their coverage has been dire these last few weeks. I know they have to be non-partisan even if they can't really have an effect on the election, but I've been shocked by the amount they've tried to make things look even.

I can't remember the exact quote, but yesterday they had a piece describing how, even if Clinton was leading in the polls, having such a narrow lead must be 'humiliating'.

It's mostly surprising because there have been a number of polls over here that show Trump is pretty thoroughly detested. So tonight, having a series of interviews with voters in Pennsylvania, all of whom said they hated Clinton and were voting Trump, just comes across as baffling. The news channels over here never seem to be particularly locked in a ratings battle, so all it really serves is to make people scared shitless.
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Hillary's humiliating low road to White House

A complete fucking shit show of an article. I don't know what the BBC are doing with their US election coverage, it's been dire all the way from the start of the primaries.
 
Wow. Watching Trump and he just used every dogwhistle imaginable in one sentence after complaining about divisions in the country:

"Imagine what the country would be like as one nation, one people, under one god!"
 
FinaruDensetsu said:
All the chants of "CNN sucks!" is so cringeworthy and he fans the flames too.

And DAMN I hate that fucking OK sign he does with his hand whenever he talks. It's just about the most annoying thing I've ever seen anyone do as they give a speech.
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It terrifies me that they're such brainwashed people out there. This honestly feels like a true turning point for the country tomorrow. We either move ahead to the future or we "go back to making America Great". I'm not being hyperbolic. We can't give these nut jobs anymore power.

Personally I see a very bright future if we can score a big win tomorrow. The senate and house won't always be in Republican hold.
 
I am really quite concerned about Michigan. I just don't have a good feeling about the poor quality of the polling data coming from there.
 
sasliquid said:
What's the earliest we may start getting a firm idea of the results (British here so I'm not sure)
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I'll just drop some quotes:

Box of Kittens said:
Here are the battleground states with abbreviations (to match them up with the map in the OP) and closing times. These categories are somewhat arbitrary and you could shift several into other categories or even take a couple off the board or maybe put one or two others on depending on if you want to be aggressive or conservative. The times I have listed are when the final polls close in each state. It can take a long time to count results after that, so be patient.

The major battlegrounds:

Ohio (OH) - 7:30 EST/12:30 UTC.

North Carolina (NC) - 7:30 EST/12:30 UTC

Florida (FL) - 8:00 EST/1:00 UTC. Most polls will close an hour before but there will be no calls until after the final poll closings.

New Hampshire (NH) - 8:00 EST/1:00 UTC. Again some polls will close earlier. There are even one or two small towns (I mean really small, like 50 or so people combined) who have a tradition of voting at midnight and reporting their results immediately, so the first incredibly early (and incredibly meaningless) returns will come in a little after 5:00 AM UTC.

Nevada (NV) - 10:00 EST/3:00 UTC. Polls indicate a very close race, but the demographics and partisan composition of the early vote look good for Clinton.

States where a Trump victory likely indicates bad news for Clinton:

Virginia (VA) - 7:00 EST/12:00 UTC. Beware that this takes a long time to call usually because the Democratic strongholds in Northern Virginia take a long time to count. Early returns will likely show Trump with a nominal lead with Clinton surging ahead later.

Pennsylvania (PA) - 8:00 EST/1:00 UTC

Maine (ME) - 8:00 EST/1:00 UTC. Maine shouldn't be that competitive, but they do have a provision for splitting their electoral votes by congressional district. Long story short, Trump is unlikely to win but could win one of its four electoral votes.

Michigan (MI) - 9:00 EST/2:00 UTC. Actually almost all the polls will have closed an hour earlier so we may have an idea how it's going before that. Only a few rural areas wait until 9:00.

Wisconsin (WI) - 9:00 EST/2:00 UTC

Colorado (CO) - 9:00 EST/2:00 UTC

States where a Clinton victory likely indicates bad news for Trump:

Georgia (GA) - 7:00 EST/12:00 UTC

Arizona (AZ) - 9:00 EST/2:00 UTC

Nebraska (NE) - 9:00 EST/2:00 UTC - Like Maine, this isn't really contested but has provisions for splitting its electoral votes by congressional district, and Clinton has a shot at taking one of its five votes.

Iowa (IA) - 10:00 EST/3:00 UTC

Utah (UT) - 10:00 EST/3:00 UTC - This is an unusual case. Utah is one of the most Republican states in the country but Trump is unappealing to the largely Mormon population. Evan McMullin, a Republican running as an independent, has been polling strongly and could take the state or take enough Republican votes to give Clinton the victory.

Any other results would be pretty big surprises. If, say, Clinton wins Missouri (MO) or Texas (TX) or Trump wins Minnesota (MN) or Oregon (OR), that's probably the election right there barring some wacky results elsewhere.

Note that if Trump wins every state he's supposed to (including the ones like GA or AZ that I listed) and wins every major battleground, that gets him to a 269-269 tie (which would probably be resolved in his favor by the House of Representatives but that's a whole story of its own). Add in the one vote from Maine or any state from the "Clinton should win list" like VA or PA then he wins. But the long story short is that Clinton has many paths to victory and Trump has few. If she wins even one of the major battlegrounds then Trump needs to pull off an upset elsewhere.
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pigeon said:
Excellent post!

Quick breakdown of important states by time of poll closing:

7:00 PM
* Virginia -- Basically a blue state now. Virginia doesn't always count quickly and the polls stay open while people are in line, so it's quite possible it won't get called early, but if it stays too close to call (instead of too early) for a long time, it might not be a great sign for Hillary.
* Georgia -- A normally red state, but Trump's been pretty weak here. Trump needs to win this to really have any chance. If it gets called fast for Trump, good sign for him.
7:30 PM
* North Carolina -- A battleground state. Trump must win all of these. Hillary basically just needs one, unless she starts losing otherwise blue states.
* Ohio -- Battleground. Leaning towards Trump, but Hillary might have a shot to win this for the land.
8:00 PM
* Florida -- The battleground of battlegrounds. Almost always gets called late.
* New Hampshire -- Battleground, but kind of a little baby one.
* Maine -- Maine's second district is a battleground with 1 electoral vote. Hopefully won't matter, because the situations where it matters aren't great.
9:00 PM
* Arizona -- A normally red state that might be in danger this year thanks to Latino turnout. Trump doesn't just want to win this, he wants to win it easily.
* Colorado -- Battleground.
* Michigan -- A normally blue state that might be tighter. Bad if Hillary loses this, although she might still make it up by winning battlegrounds.
* Texas-- One of the redder states in the union -- when Latinos don't turn out to vote. If this isn't called for Trump immediately it's going to be a real bad night for him.
* Nebraska -- Nebraska's second district may be a one vote battleground. Again, hopefully just for bragging rights.
10:00 PM
* Iowa -- Battleground.
* Nevada -- Battleground. Probably already gone for Hillary thanks to early vote. Yes, if Hillary wins every solid blue state plus Virginia, Michigan (both pretty blue) and Nevada, the election is over.
* Utah -- BY GOD! IS THAT EVAN MCMULLIN'S MUSIC?
1:00 AM
* Alaska -- Probably doesn't matter, but if Hillary has a big win, you might want to stay up to see whether she can pick up the Last Frontier.
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Korey said:
Traditionally, 11pm is correct (this is when the west coast polls close).

However, because California is locked in for Clinton... if she wins both NC and FL then the election can actually be called this year at 9pm EST.

Everything in gray literally won't matter. Trump can win all of that and will still lose.

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Nick Timiraos
‏@NickTimiraos

When the AP called the election
2012: 11:38 pm, Tuesday
2008: 11 pm, Tuesday
2004: 11:19 am, Wednesday
2000: No call
1996: 9 pm, Tuesday
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https://twitter.com/NickTimiraos/status/795672728267358208

All these times are Eastern time, so add 5 hours to go to Coordinated Universal Time (UTC)/GMT

TL;DR: We'll know roughly 2-4am UTC/GMT
 
Well I for one hope it's a close race, don't want it to be called before my beer is gone lol. Wife is dropping her vote off now, she voted for Jill something..Only to help 3rd parties be more viable in the future she said. She is normally a dem voter but this election really put her off with all the hate coming from Dems side toward anyone even thinking about trump. But don't worry we are in oregon so she is locked in here anyway. Otherwise she would have voted Hillary I'm sure.
 
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