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Donald J. Trump elected 45th President of the United States

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bytesized said:
This is my biggest fear. Just a few days ago we were talking about how there's no time left to act against global warming and how the US is essential so that it provides an example to other nations about the necessity to change policies... and now this. I think history will see this election as the beginning of the end for our civilization as we know it. This might have been the last nail in the coffin indeed.
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We all should wait for a giant flood to swallow us all. Hollywood told me it's happening.
 
lupinko said:
President is elected via the electoral college, so states have X number of votes that elect the POTUS. You win the state you get the votes (two states distribute differently are not fptp). The founding fathers put in it to protect the masses from themselves and to give each state a form of meaningful representation.
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And this is only the 3rd time that the Popular Vote and EC have deviated.

This feels a bit more definitive than 2000, though.
 
Garrett Hawke said:
so where do dem voters go from here? i assume the dnc is already looking at potential picks for next time and hopefully preparing for midterms... or are midterms a lost cause?
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Personally I hope Donna Brazile is sent home packing.The whole DNC committee should resign. I supported the Democrats but the DNC is corrupt and failed big time.
 
Nudull said:
So, we've already blamed SJWs, not being nice enough to racists, calling out Trump's flaws and the DNC for electing a woman so far. Please internet and GAF, do continue to reconfirm my newfound beliefs in a shitty humanity.
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That's not the reason HRC lost, everyone knows that, although moral elitism doesn't help.

The reason Hillary lost is because she was a terrible candidate for a changing political/electoral landscape. Extremely low voter turnout proves this. Dems lost touch and lost the election, Trump didn't win it.
 
America has had Republican governments before with questionable social policies but what is most affecting to me in the immediate sense is that Trump's victory serves as validation of his character and behaviour. That this is an ideal to strive towards, this is what it takes to be president. But maybe I'm placing too much value on the propriety of political leaders.
 
Lubricus said:
Personally I hope Donna Brazile is sent home packing.The whole DNC committee should resign. I supported the Democrats but the DNC is corrupt and failed big time.
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i'm sure the rnc is just as corrupt, you probably just don't see it because they don't have wikileaks breathing down their neck.

just look at all the reports of rnc officials abandoning trump when it looked like he was going to lose.
 
OrbitalBeard said:
Seriously. She lost to one of the worst, most unlikable candidates in American political history. This should have been an absolute landslide for anyone and she blew it.
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Apparently, Trump isn't the most unlikable. Hilary was never a perfect candidate. Nor was Bernie. Democratic Party is far from perfect. But what won this is voter turnout for a candidate that has had the most socially conservative agenda in a while. They were that silent majority who in this day and age would not admit it who they wanted. What won the election is that there is still a silent agenda in the heart of this country and Trump was the one to finally reawaken it. I'm rather afraid of what this does to future years of voting. The power is in the hands of the majority and they now remember it. Unless democratic voters were simply not paying attention and turnout is better next term, this could be a real issue.

Time to stop putting all the blame on Hillary and remember the other factors in this.
 
Impeccable said:
It's not so easy to get into Canada guys, sorry.

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.. I could go to Japan? I like video games.

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Fitts said:
What a disappointing election cycle. This is totally on DNC/Hillary. I don't blame the voters one bit because we clearly had two very poor options and negative public opinion has been known far before either got the nomination. It was a coin flip for all the wrong reasons and it seems only those living within the social media bubble believed a Hillary win was a certainty. It didn't help that these same people largely resorted to a bullying-first strategy when interacting with undecideds while claiming to represent a party of inclusionism and love. (this was extremely prevalent on gaf whether y'all want to admit it or not) Attacking people by calling them "racists/sexists/etc" is a sure fire way to have someone distance themselves from the conversation in favor of seeking alternative discourse.

As someone who has voted democrat for the last 12 years I hope that both the DNC and us left-leaning souls learn from this. We need to start being what we claim to represent.
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Is everyone going to start absolving Trump voters now
 
Garrett Hawke said:
it's a possibility tbh
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do you have 10 mil in the bank to get an investor visa?
or make 40k a year that you could continue to make for sure while living in canada?
or have rare skills that are in demand?

if you can't answer yes to one of those then it likely isn't all that much of a possibility.

Polioliolio said:
Is it?

How is it possible? I need a detailed write up, because I'm having my first child in several months and I'm scared of this shitty ass country.
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the above were my findings.
 
Azerare said:
Well when we attempt to analyze Hillary's shortcoming and see where she mistepped we get people saying that she was flawless, Even after that trailing loss.

Hillary just wasn't a strong candidate for what the American public wanted. They wanted to turn the establishment on its head and Hillary was the establishment.

People who felt they didn't get the change they wanted from Obama are now attempting to see if Trump will make America great again.
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So to once again ask this question today.

Voters thought they'd "take it to the establishment"! by voting to grant one major political party all the power it needs to do things that it wants with the least amount of opposition?

That's how you "keep government honest"?

By getting a billionaire probably already in bed with tonnes of politicians for decades, to preside over the most powerful single party majority government in almost 100 years.

LOGIC, AMERICA.

HOW DOES IT WORK?
 
Bisnic said:
This almost feel appropriate, especially after all the "Relax, he can't win." that GAF have been saying for the past 2 years.

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It's okay, if Clinton won there wouldn't even be a 2018, Russia would have nuked us into a crater after Clinton declared war.
 
I can't believe Obama will leave his seat for this piece of shit.

He must be so ashamed by his country right now. :(
 
nubbe said:
So Gore and Clinton won the popular vote
Time to abolish the EC yet?
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can not have it both ways, just yesterday GAF was rejoicing in the fact Trumps path to victory was narrow to get 270 ECV....

if HC had won thanks to ECV, this argument would be shot down in a flash
 
HILLARY HAS OFFICIALLY WON THE ELECTORAL VOTE.

Majority of the country fucked by the electoral college.


Tak3n said:
can not have it both ways, just yesterday GAF was rejoicing in the fact Trumps path to victory was narrow to get 270 ECV....

if HC had won thanks to ECV, this argument would be shot down in a flash
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If Hillary had won by ECV then Trump wouldn't have won by the popular vote.
 
OrbitalBeard said:
The Electoral College.

If a candidate wins the popular vote in a state, they receive all electoral votes in that state, with a couple exceptions.

In most cases, the winner in electoral votes also wins the popular vote. But not always. Like this election, most likely, and the 2000 race.

The Electoral College system itself isn't really a problem. The issue is the "winner take all" rules that 48 states abide by. There is nothing stopping any of these states from changing this policy.
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So basically the votes for a candidate that didn't win the popular vote in a state are told to fuck off? Can't say I agree with such a system.
 
zulux21 said:
do you have 10 mil in the bank to get an investor visa?
or make 40k a year that you could continue to make for sure while living in canada?
or have rare skills that are in demand?

if you can't answer yes to one of those then it likely isn't all that much of a possibility.
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or just marry in
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Polioliolio said:
Is it?

How is it possible? I need a detailed write up, because I'm having my first child in several months and I'm scared of this shitty ass country.
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i don't actually know, sorry :( i'm not a us citizen.
 
Window said:
America has had Republican governments before with questionable social policies but what is most affecting to me in the immediate sense is that Trump's victory serves as validation of his character and behaviour. That this is an ideal to strive towards, this is what it takes to be president. But maybe I'm placing too much value on propriety the of political leaders.
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Hey Officer, what did i do wrong. Even the president grabbed her by the pussy, so why it is wrong when i do it?
 
Michael Moore explaining what lead to Trump's victory and how badly he was trying to convince these people Trump won't help them. A week old. Amazing how accurate he was.

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bytesized said:
This is my biggest fear. Just a few days ago we were talking about how there's no time left to act against global warming and how the US is essential so that it provides an example to other nations about the necessity to change policies... and now this. I think history will see this election as the beginning of the end for our civilization as we know it. This might have been the last nail in the coffin indeed.
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A while back, a friend of mine was talking about how every fallen civilisation fell during/immediately after its 'golden age', its age of bounteous freedom and excess.

I honestly didn't believe it would or could happen, but we just put a social and political stick of dynamite at the wheel of one of the world's most powerful countries. Mixed with climate change acceleration, and... yeesh

Shit might just be utterly fucked.

TheOddOne said:
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Oh my days.
 
The funny part to me is despite Trump winning he was the one who criticized the popular vote not mattering even though he's clearly not getting it.
 
I think the most terrifying thing trump can do is too undermine the NATO alliance. Stability and safety are key points in terms of making strong European economies, and if NATO becomes undermined or worse broken, a resurgent Russia could throw that entire region into disarray.

An invasion of the Balkans is looking less like conspiracy bullshit now...
 
Kolgar said:
I could go on, but hopefully you will read up on things yourself and come to a more mature understanding of the way the world works, and America's noble place in the international community.
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I am amazed that anyone can be so unaware of the world. This is not America bashing, anyone calling their place in the international community "noble" has seriously lost touch with reality. It is the same type of echo chamber, just in a nationalist sentiment way, that made gaffers and many media outlets believe a Clinton win was certain.
 
HardRojo said:
So basically the votes for a candidate that didn't win the popular vote in a state are told to fuck off? Can't say I agree with such a system.
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It can be frustrating, sure.

Think of it as 51 little elections and it kind of makes it seem a little less crazy. Or maybe not.
 
I don't know what to say. Obviously Clinton was not a great candidate either but I think the worst outcomes from her presidency wouldn't begin to touch his. If we get out without either WWIII or a violent revolution and a gutted constitution then hopefully we'll have more moderate choices on both sides in 2020. Not holding my breath tho. I'm not sure America realizes what's it done until its too late.
 
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