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[RPGCrazied]

Oh shit, I forgot about the minimum wage. God, it just keeps getting worse more I think about it.

 

[Kaizer]

Goddamit ..... i never thought of that ... and worse is I always mistake her for Madison Ivy ... damn it !

Somewhere in the world, a Brazzers scriptwriter just ran to their keyboard for the next big idea.

 

[Camp Freddie]

Genuine question, how much does Obamacare cost in extra tax for someone too 'rich' to benefit?

Also, what is corrupt about Hilary other than the email server?

I'm British, so apologies if this is something obvious to Americans. We pay tax for our health service, but basically everyone qualifies for full care so only the super-rich complain about the extra tax burden.

 

[Nikana]

I don't doubt that you have nothing against them, but I absolutely believe you do not care about what happens to them and have zero empathy for people who aren't white. I'm a black man, and I'm disgusted at the fact that the person who will be the leader of the free world is a fiend who refused to rent his buildings to black people due to the colour of their skin and took out ads demanding for the death of innocent black teenagers over a crime they did not commit. When faced with DNA evidence that they didn't do it, your candidate doubled down.

If you are making 20,000 dollars a year, Trump will not make your life better. Taxes will raise for you and only be cut for the wealthy. The party you helped give total power in America will actively work to ensure your life is harder for the sake of the misers who line their pockets.

I don't care how many black women you've dated, you were part of a disgusting movement that hurt a lot of people and will be hugely damaging for this country, you included. This is where your lack of empathy has led you, I hope you reflect on it as you move forward with your life.

Well you just made a crap ton of assumptions. Which are all wrong, but cool.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

But really what happened? Ignoring the dumpster fire of a human being Donald Trump actually is, how the fuck did this happen?

Illegal immigration was LITERALLY at an all time low, and yet people bought the bullshit that it was an issue that needed fixing.

Trade deals were blamed for fucking everything that illegals weren't, but the fact is that removing nafta wouldn't bring back jobs BECAUSE AN AUTOMATED FACTORY IS CHEAPER THAN AN AMERICAN WORKER. The only reason those factories move is because china is cheaper than an automated factory. Removing trade deals at this point would only cause economic harm.

But somehow that idea resonated. I mean.... What the fuck? I know people suck at being informed about politics, but how the hell does this even happen?

Facts don't matter. He promised them jobs, they believe it. No critical thinking required from them.

 

[Quote]

It's cheaper to get my physicals without my Insurance, go figure.

Hope you don't work for a company that loves to pay just the minimum wage

 

[Kumquat]

The western democracies by and large has been rejecting capitalist trends with the rise of far left and right parties across all the world.

The U.S. unfortunately chosen the facist right as their face for the coming years. Next world conflict, we're not going to be the good guys.

This made me laugh in the middle of work. Bravo sir on your play with the absurd.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

This is based on what?

Did you miss the entire "Deplorables" fiasco? Have you just been asleep the past six months?

 

[SpecX]

It's cheaper to get my physicals without my Insurance, go figure.

I see, "got mine, fuck you"

 

[EatinOlives]

That would mean you believe the whole campaign actually thought Trump had no chance, and weren't just happy to let the media go bananas as if that in itself would somehow influence votes.

I'm not sure if the campaign going on "bogus intel" does much at all to salvage it being a good campaign. At these sorts of levels of government you'd expect good intel and smart analysts.

It's not intel uniquely bogus to the campaign itself. Absolutely everyone (yes, even 538) got the election wrong. Wrong polling methodology, wrong data, wrong conclusions, exceptionally terrible punditry. Look at the NYT's pathetic attempt at course correcting in real time with their "predictive" graphic last night. It swung wildly. It came as a complete surprise to them. Huffpo and Co. are complete frauds in acting like the election was a 90+ percent chance of going to Clinton.

All of these things are meant to paint some semblance of a narrative. They painted the completely wrong one. At some point you have to realize that the Clinton campaign couldn't have possibly won if they got the wrong data too, which they did, because bad poll results were everywhere. It's not about complacency, or lack of coddling racists and sexists, or any of the other things that people are saying. The simple fact is, had the polls and media accurately depicted the REAL chances of Trump winning PA, WI, and NC, the campaign would've done things completely differently and would've easily turned those ships around.

 

[zulux21]

Oh shit, I forgot about the minimum wage. God, it just keeps getting worse more I think about it.

actually trump has said he is for raising minimum wage... to like $10 and then having the states go on a case by case basis beyond that.

it was one of only a handful of things that didn't sound horrible when i was reading his political views to figure out what was in store for us.

 

[RPGCrazied]

Hope you don't work for a company that loves to pay just the minimum wage

Hope people are ready for $7.50 to stay for years to come.

 

[Stasis]

I guess I will put this out there and see what happens but I voted for Donald Trump.

I will tell you exactly why I did it and why I didn't vote for Hillary Clinton and my reasons have nothing to do with racism or any of that bull crap that people seem to keep trying to make Trump voters turns out to be.

I'm a 26 year old white male. And I make around $20,000 a year. I consider myself to be a hard-working 20 something year old guy with a lot of my future but there were a few things in the end of Obama's administration that absolutely destroyed me, mainly Obamacare.

I fall into this small Gap that Obamacare absolutely did nothing for but destroy my wallet while giving me subpar health care that I not only didn't want but offered almost virtually no benefit to me.

Because I made too much to not be considered to be in poverty in my state I was not offered any subsidies on any kind of health care plan. My options are pretty much to buy a healthcare plan with extremely high deductibles that are almost like car insurance for a couple hundred bucks a month. He offered absolutely no real benefit to me medical wise.

But the thing that really set me off was that he basically bullied me into healthcare. It was pretty much either buy health care or be fine so suddenly I'm in the situation when ObamaCare got passed that my monthly budget was cut by a couple hundred dollars for something I only didn't want but I didn't need.

When you only make $20,000 a year and suddenly twelve to fourteen hundred dollars out of it is just proof gone for something you don't want it's extremely frustrating.

But this small Gap that Obamacare doesn't cover of this group people that make too much to be considered not in poverty but too little to actually afford any kind of Obamacare plans. It represents many people my age just trying to get out into the workforce and trying to figure out something that they want to do with their lives.

When you combine that with more and more companies cutting any kind of health care plans for their employees that are not full time, which I am one of, suddenly in the whole Obamacare health care problem became a huge headache for me and I literally had nothing I can do except either pay the fine or buy health insurance I didn't want.

Obamacare was a huge problem for me because it fundamentally changed my life for no real reason. It didn't benefit me in any single way.

That was one major reason why I voted for Trump because Obamacare needs to be repealed it's just that simple, but that's my opinion.

When you combine that with Obama's foreign policy which I just don't agree with, and also his endless fight against gun control which I think was always in pointless battle that didn't actually solve any problems, you have a president I just didn't agree with.

I don't dislike Obama I think he was doing what he thought was right but at the end of the day I just didn't agree with any of his policies and then his health care plan was something that affected me personally in a negative.

Enter Hillary Clinton,

She literally was an Obama 2. And I just don't see any way that could have benefited and not only me but many people that I associate with and even friends and family that were caught in the same exact predicament with Obamacare.

I voted for Donald Trump because I do want change I want to different foreign policy I want alternative to Obamacare and frankly I just want change I don't want another Obama.

I have nothing against people of other races and in fact my best friend is Latino. And I have dated black women.

Donald Trump comments that he made during that Infamous video definitely shook me up a little bit in terms of his character, but when you look at the other side and all you see is Hillary Clinton who has a lifelong history of making extremely selfish choices to line her pocketbook and give her and her husband power over anything else and I really didn't see that as an issue anymore it basically became a wash.

I'll tell you right now if Bernie Sanders would have been on that ballot there is absolutely no way I could have taken Donald Trump has my vote. Bernie Sanders represented somebody who I actually thought was truthful and not only did he not give off that sense of just sleeping is that both Trump and Clinton had, I actually felt like he was fighting for people even if it meant that I didn't agree with what he was fighting for.

I actually respect some of what you're saying, even if you're slightly misinformed...

But can I ask what you do for a living? Just curious if it's one of the jobs that will be at risk when the economy falters/crashes. Maybe at that point, making less money or plain jobless, the deductible won't seem so bad.

Because I see no way he doesn't fuck things up economically. Hopefully your job will be safe or you won't lose too much.

Though I do feel people who voted for Trump believing he'd save their world and bring back the good old days should bear the brunt of the inevitable economic loss. It's their doing, after all. Misinformed or not.

 

[Airola]

So fucking dumb. Memes should be left on the internet and not interfere with a election

This has been going on looooong before the internet. It's a political statement.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Did you miss the entire "Deplorables" fiasco? Have you just been asleep the past six months?

You think that is what pushed traditionally blue states red? Twitter shit?

 

[Suburban Thug]

The hate crimes have already started. People are vandalizing business and vehicles with swastikas and racist language.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/clout/400560361.html

 

[RPGCrazied]

actually trump has said he is for raising minimum wage... to like $10 and then having the states go on a case by case basis beyond that.

it was one of only a handful of things that didn't sound horrible when i was reading his political views to figure out what was in store for us.

He's lying. He said flat out no during the primaries. Don't trust that.

 

[Audioboxer]

It's not intel uniquely bogus to the campaign itself. Absolutely everyone (yes, even 538) got the election wrong. Wrong polling methodology, wrong data, wrong conclusions, exceptionally terrible punditry. Look at the NYT's pathetic attempt at course correcting in real time with their "predictive" graphic last night. It swung wildly. It came as a complete surprise to them. Huffpo and Co. are complete frauds in acting like the election was a 90+ percent chance of going to Clinton.

All of these things are meant to paint some semblance of a narrative. They painted the completely wrong one. At some point you have to realize that the Clinton campaign couldn't have possibly won if they got the wrong data. It's not about complacency, or lack of coddling racists and sexists, or any of the other things that people are saying. The simple fact is, had the polls and media accurately depicted the REAL chances of Trump winning PA, WI, and NC, the campaign would've done things completely differently and would've easily turned those ships around.

The Clinton Campaign should still have taken Trump more seriously. He was the sole opposition and at times they still behaved like people on forums who go "lol Trump". I know it's easier for me to use hindsight to say this, but I'm not any of the most likely well paid advisers on the campaign staff who got things terribly wrong.

 

[oroboros]

People will make all sorts of rationalisations for this event, but the reality is that this is just the natural ebb and flow of a two-party democracy.

When your side elects a leader, everybody is electrified and enthusiastic for four years. If the leader doesn't make any bad mistakes and the economy is improving, the enthusiasm will wane a bit, but you will still elect that leader again, but with decreased margins.

By the time the next four years have passed, the enthusiasm will have all but died down on your side, even if the economy has improved greatly. Complacency will have set in. Now the other side will be electrified by whatever leader they choose at that time. And the process will repeat again. And again.

We have seen this exact same thing with Gore in 2000 and now with Clinton.

Both sides dream about a permanent control of government, yet it never happens. And maybe in the long run, that is a good thing. Because the death of a political era, like that of the Clintons, also brings renewal.

I know that this line of thought isn't much comfort if you are going to suffer the consequences of a Trump presidency. I just think it's better to think about it in this way, if the alternative is blaming your own side and all the infighting that go along with it. That will not help the Democrats in four years time.

This exactly. The system will always cycle like this and it really should because no single political party should get permanent control over the country because they are all okay in their own ways and fucked in their own ways and need checks and balances every now and then.

 

[MUnited83]

I guess I will put this out there and see what happens but I voted for Donald Drumpf.

I will tell you exactly why I did it and why I didn't vote for Hillary Clinton and my reasons have nothing to do with racism or any of that bull crap that people seem to keep trying to make Drumpf voters turns out to be.

I'm a 26 year old white male. And I make around $20,000 a year. I consider myself to be a hard-working 20 something year old guy with a lot of my future but there were a few things in the end of Obama's administration that absolutely destroyed me, mainly Obamacare.

I fall into this small Gap that Obamacare absolutely did nothing for but destroy my wallet while giving me subpar health care that I not only didn't want but offered almost virtually no benefit to me.

Because I made too much to not be considered to be in poverty in my state I was not offered any subsidies on any kind of health care plan. My options are pretty much to buy a healthcare plan with extremely high deductibles that are almost like car insurance for a couple hundred bucks a month. He offered absolutely no real benefit to me medical wise.

But the thing that really set me off was that he basically bullied me into healthcare. It was pretty much either buy health care or be fine so suddenly I'm in the situation when ObamaCare got passed that my monthly budget was cut by a couple hundred dollars for something I only didn't want but I didn't need.

When you only make $20,000 a year and suddenly twelve to fourteen hundred dollars out of it is just proof gone for something you don't want it's extremely frustrating.

But this small Gap that Obamacare doesn't cover of this group people that make too much to be considered not in poverty but too little to actually afford any kind of Obamacare plans. It represents many people my age just trying to get out into the workforce and trying to figure out something that they want to do with their lives.

When you combine that with more and more companies cutting any kind of health care plans for their employees that are not full time, which I am one of, suddenly in the whole Obamacare health care problem became a huge headache for me and I literally had nothing I can do except either pay the fine or buy health insurance I didn't want.

Obamacare was a huge problem for me because it fundamentally changed my life for no real reason. It didn't benefit me in any single way.

That was one major reason why I voted for Drumpf because Obamacare needs to be repealed it's just that simple, but that's my opinion.

When you combine that with Obama's foreign policy which I just don't agree with, and also his endless fight against gun control which I think was always in pointless battle that didn't actually solve any problems, you have a president I just didn't agree with.

I don't dislike Obama I think he was doing what he thought was right but at the end of the day I just didn't agree with any of his policies and then his health care plan was something that affected me personally in a negative.

Enter Hillary Clinton,

She literally was an Obama 2. And I just don't see any way that could have benefited and not only me but many people that I associate with and even friends and family that were caught in the same exact predicament with Obamacare.

I voted for Donald Drumpf because I do want change I want to different foreign policy I want alternative to Obamacare and frankly I just want change I don't want another Obama.

I have nothing against people of other races and in fact my best friend is Latino. And I have dated black women.

Donald Drumpf comments that he made during that Infamous video definitely shook me up a little bit in terms of his character, but when you look at the other side and all you see is Hillary Clinton who has a lifelong history of making extremely selfish choices to line her pocketbook and give her and her husband power over anything else and I really didn't see that as an issue anymore it basically became a wash.

I'll tell you right now if Bernie Sanders would have been on that ballot there is absolutely no way I could have taken Donald Drumpf has my vote. Bernie Sanders represented somebody who I actually thought was truthful and not only did he not give off that sense of just sleeping is that both Drumpf and Clinton had, I actually felt like he was fighting for people even if it meant that I didn't agree with what he was fighting for.

good lord


Are you not aware how the economy will be and how the middle class will get further fucked by a Trump presidency? This is ridiculous. You will be in vastly worse state than the one you were in with Obamacare.

This exactly. The system will always cycle like this and it really should because no single political party should get permanent control over the country because they are all okay in their own ways and fucked in their own ways and need checks and balances every now and then.

With reps leading on every branch of government, there won't be checks and balances.

No. It's not that simple. But just keep pretending you're morally superior.

People who did not vote for Trump are factually morally superior. There is no real argument you can make against this.

 

[zulux21]

He's lying. He said flat out no during the primaries. Don't trust that.

shhhhh.
let me keep my delusions.
I want to believe it won't all be horrible.
even though I know it will be.

 

[mbpm1]

Somewhere in the world, a Brazzers scriptwriter just ran to their keyboard for the next big idea.

Acting like this hasn't already happened a few days ago lol

 

[Nikana]

I actually respect some of what you're saying, even if you're slightly misinformed...

But can I ask what you do for a living? Just curious if it's one of the jobs that will be at risk when the economy falters/crashes. Maybe at that point, making less money or plain jobless, the deductible won't seem so bad.

Because I see no way he doesn't fuck things up economically. Hopefully your job will be safe or you won't lose too much.

Though I do feel people who voted for Trump believing he'd save their world and bring back the good old days should bear the brunt of the inevitable economic loss. It's their doing, after all. Misinformed or not.

Thanks for actually being respectful.

I work in retail management.

I don't by any means feel like Donald Trump is my savior or going to some help fix things that are completely wrong with this country but I just didn't see any way that a Clinton campaign would actually benefit anyone based on what I have experienced.

 

[BFIB]

It's cheaper to get my physicals without my Insurance, go figure.

Well, its not anyone's place to tell you who to vote for. I give you a lot of credit, that had to be hard to type on a forum like this one. And in your case, your trying to make ends meet, I get it. But, the change was going to happen, Hillary was NOT Obama, but she was an advocate on making sure all Americans have the right to see a doctor, no circumstances standing in the way.

I hope it works out for you.

 

[EatinOlives]

The Clinton Campaign should still have taken Trump more seriously. He was the sole opposition and at times they still behaved like people on forums who go "lol Trump". I know it's easier for me to use hindsight to say this, but I'm not any of the most likely well paid advisers on the campaign staff who got things terribly wrong.

I agree, they absolutely did not take him seriously. But I'm talking about the reason why. They didn't take him seriously because every piece of data that was coming in was telling them not to take it seriously.

 

[commish]

How is this real life

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

What's the likelihood of the GOP continuing to fracture and splinter even though they've taken the Presidency, Congress, and Senate?

Between the hawks, the progessives, the freedom caucus, the moderates, the alt-right, and the fundamentalists, all jockeying for control.

Say what you want about Paul Ryan and John McCain, but they are on the opposite spectrum from guys like Trump and Gingrich, I would hope to think.

 

[Darryl M R]

I guess I will put this out there and see what happens but I voted for Donald Trump.

I will tell you exactly why I did it and why I didn't vote for Hillary Clinton and my reasons have nothing to do with racism or any of that bull crap that people seem to keep trying to make Trump voters turns out to be.

I'm a 26 year old white male. And I make around $20,000 a year. I consider myself to be a hard-working 20 something year old guy with a lot of my future but there were a few things in the end of Obama's administration that absolutely destroyed me, mainly Obamacare.

I fall into this small Gap that Obamacare absolutely did nothing for but destroy my wallet while giving me subpar health care that I not only didn't want but offered almost virtually no benefit to me.

Because I made too much to not be considered to be in poverty in my state I was not offered any subsidies on any kind of health care plan. My options are pretty much to buy a healthcare plan with extremely high deductibles that are almost like car insurance for a couple hundred bucks a month. He offered absolutely no real benefit to me medical wise.

But the thing that really set me off was that he basically bullied me into healthcare. It was pretty much either buy health care or be fine so suddenly I'm in the situation when ObamaCare got passed that my monthly budget was cut by a couple hundred dollars for something I only didn't want but I didn't need.

When you only make $20,000 a year and suddenly twelve to fourteen hundred dollars out of it is just proof gone for something you don't want it's extremely frustrating.

But this small Gap that Obamacare doesn't cover of this group people that make too much to be considered not in poverty but too little to actually afford any kind of Obamacare plans. It represents many people my age just trying to get out into the workforce and trying to figure out something that they want to do with their lives.

When you combine that with more and more companies cutting any kind of health care plans for their employees that are not full time, which I am one of, suddenly in the whole Obamacare health care problem became a huge headache for me and I literally had nothing I can do except either pay the fine or buy health insurance I didn't want.

Obamacare was a huge problem for me because it fundamentally changed my life for no real reason. It didn't benefit me in any single way.

That was one major reason why I voted for Trump because Obamacare needs to be repealed it's just that simple, but that's my opinion.

When you combine that with Obama's foreign policy which I just don't agree with, and also his endless fight against gun control which I think was always in pointless battle that didn't actually solve any problems, you have a president I just didn't agree with.

I don't dislike Obama I think he was doing what he thought was right but at the end of the day I just didn't agree with any of his policies and then his health care plan was something that affected me personally in a negative.

Enter Hillary Clinton,

She literally was an Obama 2. And I just don't see any way that could have benefited and not only me but many people that I associate with and even friends and family that were caught in the same exact predicament with Obamacare.

I voted for Donald Trump because I do want change I want to different foreign policy I want alternative to Obamacare and frankly I just want change I don't want another Obama.

I have nothing against people of other races and in fact my best friend is Latino. And I have dated black women.

Donald Trump comments that he made during that Infamous video definitely shook me up a little bit in terms of his character, but when you look at the other side and all you see is Hillary Clinton who has a lifelong history of making extremely selfish choices to line her pocketbook and give her and her husband power over anything else and I really didn't see that as an issue anymore it basically became a wash.

I'll tell you right now if Bernie Sanders would have been on that ballot there is absolutely no way I could have taken Donald Trump has my vote. Bernie Sanders represented somebody who I actually thought was truthful and not only did he not give off that sense of just sleeping is that both Trump and Clinton had, I actually felt like he was fighting for people even if it meant that I didn't agree with what he was fighting for.

good job shooting yourself in the foot.

I'm 23, my household income right now with my significant other is ~130k because we worked our asses off since gradeschool to land great careers early. I can weather a Trump presidency. You cannot.

I empathize for middle America. Poor whites that feel so desperate they will believe a lie.

 

[radios shipping overview]

This made me laugh in the middle of work. Bravo sir on your play with the absurd.

Keep fucking that chicken.

 

[RPGCrazied]

Thanks for actually being respectful.

I work in retail management.

I don't by any means feel like Donald Trump is my savior or going to some help fix things that are completely wrong with this country but I just didn't see any way that a Clinton campaign would actually benefit anyone based on what I have experienced.

Raising the minimum wage to $15 was a start. Better than what Trump is doing.

 

[mbpm1]

Well you just made a crap ton of assumptions. Which are all wrong, but cool.

I see you were deeply affected

 

[Balphon]

actually trump has said he is for raising minimum wage... to like $10 and then having the states go on a case by case basis beyond that.

it was one of only a handful of things that didn't sound horrible when i was reading his political views to figure out what was in store for us.

As with most things, Trump has alternatively taken both sides on the issue. At one point he was for lowering (if not abolishing) the minimum wage, but later said he wanted to raise the federal minimum wage to around $10.

Really, there's no way to tell what he'll actually do.

 

[darkwing]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

The "forgotten man and woman"? Which man and which woman is he talking about?

the silent majority

 

[ColdPizza]

The Clinton Campaign should still have taken Trump more seriously. He was the sole opposition and at times they still behaved like people on forums who go "lol Trump". I know it's easier for me to use hindsight to say this, but I'm not any of the most likely well paid advisers on the campaign staff who got things terribly wrong.

I don't think it's that they didn't take him seriously, but the Clinton campaign was dealing with their own fires like the email scandal. The plan to let Trump dismantle himself was a sound one.

 

[Steel]

What's the likelihood of the GOP continuing to fracture and splinter even though they've taken the Presidency, Congress, and Senate?

Between the hawks, the progessives, the freedom caucus, the moderates, the alt-right, and the fundamentalists, all jockeying for control.

Say what you want about Paul Ryan and John McCain, but they are on the opposite spectrum from guys like Trump and Gingrich, I would hope to think.

Everybody is gonna be the tea party's bitch. If they don't get tea party approval, they won't be re-elected. Only thing I see Ryan and establishment types taking a stand on is free trade, and Trump could abolish that by getting a coalition of far left folk and tea partiers.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

The "forgotten man and woman"? Which man and which woman is he talking about?

It's the new Florida man.

 

[The Beard]

And the thing now is people that might have normally been pursued by law enforcement because you shouldnt do things like that, get to wrap it all up in political support for the president now, making things far more complicated, and bringing everyone out into the open, meaning they can recruit more. This is some straight civil war type shit.

Wut?

Vandalism is still vandalism. Swastikas are still a symbol of racism. We didn't just enter bizzaro world.

 

[mbpm1]

As with most things, Trump has alternatively taken both sides on the issue. At one point he was for lowering (if not abolishing) the minimum wage, but later said he wanted to raise the federal minimum wage to around $10.

Really, there's no way to tell what he'll actually do.

Definitely a big question mark. Will he go one way or the next? Will he do one first than another? Will he do nothing at all and it'll be Pence? Hm

 

[Adam_Vania]

So we need to blame Gary Johnson and Bernie or Busters. I think that is fair.

yeah they did this all year and it worked out fine

 

[SURGEdude]

I thought we were better than this. I really did. Dark times ahead. Best of luck to you all.

 

[dglavimans]

For an outsider it is really strange to see Trump winning when your only source is Neogaf. Is it just that neogaf is really not represent of America or are we all caught off guard? Trump winning was impossible if I believe the Dutch media.

Cheers to the poster who chose to say he voted trump and took the time to explain it. You will get a lot of hate but for an outsider like me it is really helpfull to learn the how and what.

Like I dont want to trust our 'propaganda' media in The Netherlands but always want my own view on things and the next few weeks is trying to see the other side of things and why everything happened as it did because surely if this guy is the next hitler (media words here) he could no way become president

 

[Green Yoshi]

GAF told me it is impossible that he will win Michigan and Wisconsin. Why has nobody in the Clinton campaign listened to Michael Moore? False pride?

http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/

 

[Steel]

As with most things, Trump has alternatively taken both sides on the issue. At one point he was for lowering (if not abolishing) the minimum wage, but later said he wanted to raise the federal minimum wage to around $10.

Really, there's no way to tell what he'll actually do.

The thing is, it doesn't actually matter. Republicans won't support a minimum raise increase, and he's bringing Newt on who wants to throw out the minimum wage.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

It's not intel uniquely bogus to the campaign itself. Absolutely everyone (yes, even 538) got the election wrong. Wrong polling methodology, wrong data, wrong conclusions, exceptionally terrible punditry. Look at the NYT's pathetic attempt at course correcting in real time with their "predictive" graphic last night. It swung wildly. It came as a complete surprise to them. Huffpo and Co. are complete frauds in acting like the election was a 90+ percent chance of going to Clinton.

All of these things are meant to paint some semblance of a narrative. They painted the completely wrong one. At some point you have to realize that the Clinton campaign couldn't have possibly won if they got the wrong data too, which they did, because bad poll results were everywhere. It's not about complacency, or lack of coddling racists and sexists, or any of the other things that people are saying. The simple fact is, had the polls and media accurately depicted the REAL chances of Trump winning PA, WI, and NC, the campaign would've done things completely differently and would've easily turned those ships around.

I'm honestly not a fan of absolving the campaign of responsibility here and placing the blame squarely on bad polling. For starters, you should probably never take anything for granted. In an election where polling was all over the map, it's probably not best to just assume it's right. Further, aggregate sites like FiveThirtyEight often had it as far from a lock.

Also, even if the intel was actually good at the time, you can still recognize that making a play at longshots is a risk. I mean, sure, it's brilliant if it works. A blowout victory would have done wonders not only for establishing her own mandate but helping down ballot races as well. But what if your firewall isn't as strong as you think it is? Not considering that is arguably a mistake and deferring blame to the pollsters doesn't absolve you from the choices made.

Mind you, I'm not arguing that she necessarily fucked up here. Some decisions are just coin flips. You win some, you lose some. But the post mortem here can't just be "pollsters cost us the election!"

 

[EatinOlives]

For an outsider it is really strange to see Trump winning when your only source is Neogaf. Is it just that neogaf is really not represent of America or are we all caught off guard? Trump winning was impossible if I believe the Dutch media.

Cheers to the poster who chose to say he voted trump and took the time to explain it. You will get a lot of hate but for an outsider like me it is really helpfull to learn the how and what.

Like I dont want to trust our 'propaganda' media in The Netherlands but always want my own view on things and the next few weeks is trying to see the other side of things

Everyone was caught off guard. Look at every pre-election poll. Every one of them treated a Clinton victory as an inevitability.

It's really got nothing to do with so-called GAF "insularity".

 

[mbpm1]

For an outsider it is really strange to see Trump winning when your only source is Neogaf. Is it just that neogaf is really not represent of America or are we all caught off guard? Trump winning was impossible if I believe the Dutch media.

GAF represents a subset of a subset of a subset of a niche. But everyone didn't see this coming.

 

[HawksWinStanley]

We don't support racists. By default, we are morally superior. Live with it.

After the pathetic "stance" she took on the DAP situation I wouldn't be so sure my vote for Hillary was much better...gotta make sure her interests weren't at risk at the expense of other people.

 

[Balphon]

The thing is, it doesn't actually matter. Republicans won't support a minimum raise increase, and he's bringing Newt on who wants to throw out the minimum wage.

Yeah, I think a reasonable argument can be made that Trump's actual influence on policy in his own administration will be fairly minimal.

 

[Green Yoshi]

For an outsider it is really strange to see Trump winning when your only source is Neogaf. Is it just that neogaf is really not represent of America or are we all caught off guard? Trump winning was impossible if I believe the Dutch media.

Cheers to the poster who chose to say he voted trump and took the time to explain it. You will get a lot of hate but for an outsider like me it is really helpfull to learn the how and what.

Like I dont want to trust our 'propaganda' media in The Netherlands but always want my own view on things and the next few weeks is trying to see the other side of things and why everything happened as it did because surely if this guy is the next hitler (media words here) he could no way become president

Good luck with Geert Wilders. Sigh.

 

[Nikana]

Well, its not anyone's place to tell you who to vote for. I give you a lot of credit, that had to be hard to type on a forum like this one. And in your case, your trying to make ends meet, I get it. But, the change was going to happen, Hillary was NOT Obama, but she was an advocate on making sure all Americans have the right to see a doctor, no circumstances standing in the way.

I hope it works out for you.

I'm not going to pretend that I know Hilary's economic plan front and back, because I don't, but when I read things about it, I read that the growth would not go any higher, and whenever she was on stage talking about healthcare, and when I went and read what she purposes and compared it with what economists were saying, it sounded like a pipe dream and that even if they taxed the wealthy at 100 peecent it wouldn't make up the difference.

All I saw from her was more empty promises.

 

[dan2026]

The most terrifying thing about Trump is that I don't believe he has any idea what he is doing.
He'll wake up and throw a dart at a dartboard, hit red raise the minimum wage, hit black nuke China.

Basically America is fucked.