He talks too much to be at E3 lol, by the time he's done selling you on Scorpio the conference would be over
NPD: Xbox One wins October NPD. Best Selling Console in US 4th Month In a Row
He talks too much to be at E3 lol, by the time he's done selling you on Scorpio the conference would be over
Graphics Horse
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I think PS4 pro will mainly split new buyers between versions rather than increase them relative to the time of year.
They should get a hefty chunk of upgraders from the day1 crowd three years ago, but I wouldn't want to guess how many.
They should get a hefty chunk of upgraders from the day1 crowd three years ago, but I wouldn't want to guess how many.
TheGreyHulk
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I want to see Novembers NPD. That's going to be the real show. Both systems have great discounts for black friday and the pro is out as well, so no more "they're waiting for pro" reasoning (i waited for pro... lol).
But what will be the result post e3... i agree the doom and gloom was exaggerated but its 2 completely different situation
Sangetsu-II
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MaulerX
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That wasn't the narrative though. I clearly remember people saying stuff to the tune of "Microsoft killed the Xbox One S two hours after they announced it!"
perfectchaos007
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M I Rite?
They did beat the PS4 for four months straight. Even if the margins weren't substantial and even if it only outperforms the PS4 in Microsoft's key markets, the momentum pretty much has shifted.
But now the Pro will shake things up again.
gaming_noob
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He talks too much to be at E3 lol, by the time he's done selling you on Scorpio the conference would be over
In that case, a seperate event right before e3 like Sony had for Cerny and team. It was very effective.
You're not wrong, a lot of sites and analysis said the same.
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/dfc-...e-xbox-one-slim-right-out-of-the-gate/0168781
I thought the same to be honest LOL, genuinely surprised they went into so much detail about Scorpio and how well the S is doing
Digital-Hero
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People are waiting for the Pro on Sony's side. I doubt Microsoft will win November.
ViolentP
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I'm not an analyst so this is all opinion but, I legitimately feel that the drop in number of sales of the PS4 is in direct correlation with the impending release of the Pro. I feel confident that four months ago when Sony was still outselling Microsoft, if you asked those buyers if they would take that same console with increased graphical horsepower for the same price they were about to pay, 99% would have said yes. At some point, I would imagine many (potential) buyers will wait for the right time to purchase. Hence, the lull in sales.
This is of course just theory.
That's correct.
For me, the way MS talks about Scorpio, it sounds like a bigger change then what Sony offers with the Pro. So much so that I lost interest in Scorpio and now want an Xbox S. I will upgrade my PC eventually so I could play those games on PC instead of Scorpio. But a cheap 4K machine with a nice design? Sign me up.
And also, a full year is a lot. Especially with Microsoft throwing better bundles every week at people.
More like 1.4 million+ gap
It probably will. But Xbox is gonna be strong also. Like some people last month said. November is all about Black Friday really and very good deals.
Marty Chinn
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Yes it is. I'm looking at it now and I can order it. Says sold and shipped by Amazon.
Nikana
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I'll take that bet. (slams down two bucks)
But there were still xbox and big 3rd party games and bundles released this thing was never going to slow down early or dry up completely
The biggest question i have now is that as Microsoft continues to lower and lower the price of an xb1s how much will it be worth on trade in for scorpio? stuff like this is a double edged sword? The xb1s could be $150 this time next year and be worthless as a trade in to move on to scorpio
Oh I agree. I'm just saying that the numbers are clear. You don't get the lead four months in the row just like that if you're the distant second place. Microsoft worked hard to get those four months. Sony... didn't really. I expect them to go full out with the Pro now that holidays are approaching too.
AmuroChan
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Yep, the same way the One and One S are tracked.
get2sammyb
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Ehhh... I'm not so sure. Microsoft's working really, really hard at the moment, but I think Sony's looking at the global picture and feeling pretty comfortable with its own roadmap.
I'm sure they want to be ahead in the US as well, but I think Sony looks at the bigger picture a little more than perhaps Microsoft does. I can't ever see Sony going ham just to claw back some NPD wins.
A healthy gaming industry is good for all of us.
Congrats MS, to think where Xbox one was at the beginning and what have they done until this day they deserve all the applause.
I love my XB1S <3
I thought GAF and the internet said that Scorpio killed the S right of the gate!?! :/
I've never believed it so...Voila...
Congrats MS, to think where Xbox one was at the beginning and what have they done until this day they deserve all the applause.
I love my XB1S <3
I thought GAF and the internet said that Scorpio killed the S right of the gate!?! :/
I've never believed it so...Voila...
ViolentP
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I like a hungry Microsoft. Sony is definitely a little swollen in the head right now and I'm curious to see if that confidence is enough to direct them in uncharted waters.
Sangetsu-II
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I'm interested in the gap.
A victory with no context doesn't tell us anything. Gap could be 10k like 100k.
Of course it's clear that this year Sony is really focusing on November and December given the timings of their hardware launches and deals.
With Pro and all the deals at 250$ for the Slim, Sony is well positioned to win November but we'll see.
A victory with no context doesn't tell us anything. Gap could be 10k like 100k.
Of course it's clear that this year Sony is really focusing on November and December given the timings of their hardware launches and deals.
With Pro and all the deals at 250$ for the Slim, Sony is well positioned to win November but we'll see.
get2sammyb
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So swollen in the head they've just dropped PlayStation VR and PS4 Pro in the span of a month. Look at them arrogantly sauntering around doing nothing...
ViolentP
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What do arrogance and complacency have to do with each other?
A complacent company doesn't feel the need to be the first one offering mass market VR and the first console supporting native resolutions up to 4K in the span of a month
I dont even think their focusing on November and December honestly as much as worldwide sales tbh. The lack of bundles, limited edition ps4s, marketing are a stark contrast to what they did last year, dont know if its the post layden effect, or if his replacement is asleep at the wheel but they dont seem to be as focused as last year in the us. No destiny limited bundle, no bo3 limited bundle, no vader limited bundle, most of the bundles this year seems to be euro centric
You don't think Sony will advertise the living hell out of the Pro this holiday season? It's the only holiday season they can claim to have the most powerful console on the market.
I wouldn't call Sony that. Sony is winning comfortably, they don't need to invest as much money as Microsoft. Microsoft might win some NPD months but at what cost? Throwing ever cheaper bundles at the market is a nice way to win some months and goodwill from people burnt out by the Xbox One.
Sony has beaten MS comfortably and now they get to generate steady revenue without investing too much money. That's what happens if you beat the competition. That's what you want.
ViolentP
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A complacent company doesn't feel the need to be the first one offering mass market VR and the first console supporting native resolutions up to 4K in the span of a month
Agreed. I wasn't the one to assume complacency though. The other poster did. I'm of the confident Sony camp.
The reason I sense confidence in Sony's actions is directly tied to the frequency of their offerings. Slim. VR. Pro. On a consumer level, options are great. But as a business, you shouldn't shake up your consistent success so forcefully. You're winning with the PS4. When those sales starts dropping to a predetermined margin, throw out the next fastball. And again.
Success can be easy but short-lived. Maintaining that success is the challenge.
My prediction is that X1 will take both Nov & Dec easily.
It's not hard to see why: there are a lot of great X1 exclusives from 2013 onward, and now, Forza Horizon 3 and Gears 4 are out, and they're awesome.
For the number of folks in the USA who already bought the PS4, who might not be interested in the PSVR, and are looking for something new to play, X1S is a reasonably-priced option that satisfies that hunger.
What well-known, mass-market, must-have exclusives does PS4 have coming out this holiday season? The answer to that question is why the folks I referenced above will choose the XB1S over a PS4P, and why Xbox One will win NPD through the rest of the year. After that, who knows?
It's not hard to see why: there are a lot of great X1 exclusives from 2013 onward, and now, Forza Horizon 3 and Gears 4 are out, and they're awesome.
For the number of folks in the USA who already bought the PS4, who might not be interested in the PSVR, and are looking for something new to play, X1S is a reasonably-priced option that satisfies that hunger.
What well-known, mass-market, must-have exclusives does PS4 have coming out this holiday season? The answer to that question is why the folks I referenced above will choose the XB1S over a PS4P, and why Xbox One will win NPD through the rest of the year. After that, who knows?
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Yep. It was kind of expected.
While I'm sure Xbox is now on a much better path to a more competitive sales trajectory, next months sales will be the final word on whether the worm has actually turned or not.
While I'm sure Xbox is now on a much better path to a more competitive sales trajectory, next months sales will be the final word on whether the worm has actually turned or not.
get2sammyb
Member
They may well do, it just doesn't feel like it's going to go that way right now. I'm a bit surprised most of the bundles they're doing are Slims to be honest.
You may very well be right, but exclusives won't be the factor that decide the race. Like, at all.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
If they take November or at least get close, then they'll officially be on the comeback trail in their 3 main markets.
The rest of the world is lost forever(except Brazil and Mexico).
The rest of the world is lost forever(except Brazil and Mexico).
Yes that doesn't explain sony dominating november and December of last year in same situation, they made up for that with limited ps4s and 3rd party bundles... they dont have any of that this year... no battlefront or star wars movie hype to ride, no black ops 3, hell no assassins creed for europe, and sales still aren't terribly down... if this is the worst sony can do, then they must bath in champagne lol
ViolentP
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I'm not saying it makes sense, but announce a Bloodborne Pro patch and sales of that console are going through the fucking roof. Which may lend credence to your exclusives theory, but that is still ultimately subjective. Objectively, people will more often than not pick more power for the same investment.
dragonzdogma
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I'm happy is selling well, I hope it continues to sell even more all the way till next year,
competition is always good, and will cause Sony to drop prices, get better exclusives, and invest more on getting their product to be more attractive.
But I don't think it deserves the current sales, like at all
do to personal preferences of course, all their exclusives suck, no real fighting games, horrible lack of JRPGS that I care about,
the worst looking console and over rated controller and UI design, under powered console, ect.
Edit: That 4K movie player tho, and backwards compat is alright ( Vanquish, Ninja gaiden 2 , Dragons Dogma comat yet btw?)
competition is always good, and will cause Sony to drop prices, get better exclusives, and invest more on getting their product to be more attractive.
But I don't think it deserves the current sales, like at all
do to personal preferences of course, all their exclusives suck, no real fighting games, horrible lack of JRPGS that I care about,
the worst looking console and over rated controller and UI design, under powered console, ect.
Edit: That 4K movie player tho, and backwards compat is alright ( Vanquish, Ninja gaiden 2 , Dragons Dogma comat yet btw?)
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Killer Instinct is the best fighter released this gen. try it. It's free.
I bought an Xbox One S a week ago primarily for the UHD blu-ray drive. I never thought I'd buy an Xbox but here I am. I play most of my games on PC and PS4 but there was a bundle for the One S that was too good to pass up.
Ever since the Neo/Pro was announced I was planning on buying it assuming that it would have a UHD player. When it was announced that it wouldn't, I completely lost interest in that and shifted to getting the Xbox.
Ever since the Neo/Pro was announced I was planning on buying it assuming that it would have a UHD player. When it was announced that it wouldn't, I completely lost interest in that and shifted to getting the Xbox.
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