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Buying a 4K TV for PS4K thread!

Sorry yes I mean input lag throughout. I think by response time you mean what manufacturers call 'response rate?'

Either way, from what I've seen the input lag on almost all HDR sets is unacceptable. As someone that plays online MP games, it doesn't seem HDR is worthwhile. HDR monitors do not exist as far as I know.

Hi, are you new to HDTV's?

https://www.cnet.com/news/best-low-lag-hdtvs-for-serious-gamers/

Almost every single television for the past 10 years incuding vaunted plasma have had input lag in the high teens to upto 70 ms at times. 22 ms for 4k at HDR is decent. You'll probably see worse input lag next year as sets focus on more blacks and better backlighting and HDR focus and less on games. Every year pretty much every major set has had 18ms, 33 ms, 58ms etc.
 
Looking for a new tv for the PS4 pro, currently got the LG 49UB820V from about a year and a half ago and just realised that it doesn't seem to support HDR which is a major bummer.

For the new TV, I'm not looking to fork out a stupid amount of money (in the uk) but still get the HDR. Read a lot about the KU6000, what's the ms on that (and if applicable in game mode) or other alternatives. Thanks in advance.

It seems the US model numbers for Samsung TVs are different than the UK numbers but you can see the reviews for a bunch of Samsung TVs here. http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung?uxtv=1951
 
Hi, are you new to HDTV's?

https://www.cnet.com/news/best-low-lag-hdtvs-for-serious-gamers/

Almost every single television for the past 10 years incuding vaunted plasma have had input lag in the high teens to upto 70 ms at times. 22 ms for 4k at HDR is decent. You'll probably see worse input lag next year as sets focus on more blacks and better backlighting and HDR focus and less on games. Every year pretty much every major set has had 18ms, 33 ms, 58ms etc.

I guess it's just my background, people who play fighting games tend to emphasis using monitors that are around 10ms or less. 20ms at 4K HDR sounds tolerable, but I don't consider it decent. I run small fighting game tournaments and we often get complaints about monitors / TVs that have 20-40 ms of input lag.

I don't mean any disrespect but the TVs recommended in the CNET article you linked are not the best on the market. Display lags list is a bit better

http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/

But very few there are HDR. The best I've seen is 22 MS, but it isn't as though I've tested or seen tests of every 4K, HDR TV. Ideally I would want one with under 17, so that in theory, the input from your controller should come out on one of the next two frames (hypothetically, not accounting for input lag on the controller itself).

Also, I get what you're saying, a lot of TVs have had input lag in the 50ms + range, but for me, and for people alike, that just isn't good enough. 20ms is just about tolerable, but most of these HDR sets that people are buying or recommending, aren't even at that mark. Some of them like the LG E6 have over 50ms, and I've seen others that won't enable HDR outside of gaming mode, where the input lag is over 100ms. At least in my eyes, that's completely unplayable, I think this is something people should perhaps put more thought into.

Generally the way I have been buying thus far is just by picking sets under 16 MS, but I haven't been able to do that for HDR / 4K, so the solution isn't as clear cut. I find myself forced to make a compromise, the 22 MS set sounds like a decent bet, but it's still not quite there. Maybe waiting for HDR 4K monitors is the answer for people like me.
 
The point of the CNET article was to show you that even in 2013 and 2014, most televisions including good plasma had input lag levels between high teens to 70ms.

If you are worried about input lag it is why computer monitors exist. But you won't find any with decent 4K or HDR yet.

Most of us want to game on large televisions. Most of us have always been gaming between 15-70ms or more if you were gaming on a television. People just did not notice or care as much but information is disseminated much more freely now. My point is, even if you wait 5 years from now, the televisions will have high teens to 70ms of input lag especially as newer technologies keep coming. So you find that balance between specs, quality and price. In a sea of 4K + HDR sets, it is why the KS8000 and X800D stand out because they have good HDR coupled with lower than most input lag.
 
Can I just say I'm genuinely disappointed that nobody else has posted a pic of their TVs while they are topless with the reflection on the screen.
 
Whelp, just went to Best Buy and bought a 60" KS8000 for $1399 and am going to price match it to $1200 when Black Friday comes around. Taking a $150 hit but after the wreck of the first delivery I'll take it. Looks great out of the box! My mind is at ease.
 
Whelp, just went to Best Buy and bought a 60" KS8000 for $1399 and am going to price match it to $1200 when Black Friday comes around. Taking a $150 hit but after the wreck of the first delivery I'll take it. Looks great out of the box! My mind is at ease.
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sorry mate.
 
Got my TV, asked my friend to open it and test it. Looks good I guess.
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he is coming to Canada tomorrow, so will bring it
 
is any chance of getting a 50" or smaller model with proper HDR for under $500 on Black Friday?

Microcenter right now. I'm eyeing the LG55UH6030 and the 43" model. Right now the price for each is 550 and 450 in store. HDR Pro sets. I'm about to return my Vizio M-55
 
Really enjoying the interface of the KS8000, all the Apps are a snap to use and super responsive. Been messing around with 4k/HDR content while the Pro is transferring.
 
Whelp, just went to Best Buy and bought a 60" KS8000 for $1399 and am going to price match it to $1200 when Black Friday comes around. Taking a $150 hit but after the wreck of the first delivery I'll take it. Looks great out of the box! My mind is at ease.

Is that something you can do? i.e., buy something now at BB and when/if the price drops on Black Friday, go back and get it price matched?
 
Everything seems good with my 55 inch ks8000.

Turning off eco mode helped immensely. Auto dimming was pissing me off bad. Anyone have any general tips and tricks for a new owner?
 
Is that something you can do? i.e., buy something now at BB and when/if the price drops on Black Friday, go back and get it price matched?

Keep reading.


Just found out my KS8000 is less than two hours away! Hopefully it will arrive in time for the weekend, and in good condition.
 
I'm just here to say that the 55" Hisense (model 55H8C) is a marvel for its price.

Read the reviews on rtings.com and reviewed.com... it's well-received even by the techies.

It works with the Pro on the RGB setting and the 4K/HDR image looks astonishing for the $500 55" 4K HDR set.

I'm more than pleased right now to have a new 55" tv that can take advantage of the Pro and it cost me less than $1000 to buy both the tv and PS4 Pro.

If you need a good second 4K tv or just want an intro tv into the world of 4K and HDR this will do the trick perfectly. If you want high-end, it's HDR isn't "true" HDR, but I can't tell a difference between this and a $1500 set sitting next to it.
 
Question from a potential 4k + Pro buyer.

I've narrowed it down to two TVs that I'm looking at:

Samsung 55' UE49KS7000

or

Sony 55' X850D

From the reviews I've seen, both are good options to consider if I'm looking to buy this as a 4k gaming TV. However, I'm not really knowledge with the ins and outs of 4k TVs so I'm looking for a second opinion and also some impressions from anyone who has owned either of these TVs.

I'm leaning for the Samsung one just due to price since I will also need to buy the Pro but I don't know if there is something I need to keep an eye out for when it comes to finding a good TV for gaming.

Any help would be appreciated, thanks guys.
 
Is that something you can do? i.e., buy something now at BB and when/if the price drops on Black Friday, go back and get it price matched?

It's a credit card company thing. I have two cards that do it, the Discover IT and AmEx Blue Cash. They offer various terms, Discover is up to $2,500 a year and $500 per transaction. You buy, keep your receipt, get the physical copy of the ad you want to price match, and scan and send them to Discover and they refund you the difference. 90 days to do it. I've done it a couple times on other electronics, people have been doing this for black friday deals (even door busters) for a few years now.

Anyway, I'm blown away by the KS8000. Been watching Netflix 4K UHD all night and am just loving it. I'm in a bright room and it drowns out any reflections while still having some pretty dark blacks. I feel like I went from watching cable TV to watching something better than Blu-rays with Netflix. The interface is snappy, the remote is nice, the stand is sleek. I'm coming from a Vizio where they don't really focus on those little things. I do have to admit though that LG OLED in Best Buy looked incredible.

Also got an offer for $400 for my old Vizio which is pretty solid in my book for a 3 year old TV.
 
Anyway, I'm blown away by the KS8000. Been watching Netflix 4K UHD all night and am just loving it. I'm in a bright room and it drowns out any reflections while still having some pretty dark blacks. I feel like I went from watching cable TV to watching something better than Blu-rays with Netflix. The interface is snappy, the remote is nice, the stand is sleek. I'm coming from a Vizio where they don't really focus on those little things. I do have to admit though that LG OLED in Best Buy looked incredible.

No joke, this TV looks amazing. Even more than the clarity, I'm impressed by the colors. When watching the animated films on Netflix like Kung Fu Panda 3 or Zootopia, the vibrancy of the colors is just crazy to me.

Another good youtube video is called the world in hdr.
 
Yo any european here to help out ?

Can't find anything that's not shit in my budget.

Budget is around 500 euros. I know it's not crazy high, I can put maybe a bit more, but definitely not anywhere near double that.

Tell me if it's not worth getting one at all for that price.

edit :

that seems like the only candidate. Worth getting ?

https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B01EFK0Y10/
 
Yo any european here to help out ?

Can't find anything that's not shit in my budget.

Budget is around 500 euros. I know it's not crazy high, I can put maybe a bit more, but definitely not anywhere near double that.

Tell me if it's not worth getting one at all for that price.
Personally? I'd wait. Unless you have no TV, or a shite TV, playing at 1080 with all the clean ass supersampling will look great. Save a bit more and get one that can do 4k and hdr justice.

But that's just me.

Come January - April current models drop in price even further as new models all come out.

Or look at some of the hisense models. Apparently great for the money.
 
What's everyone's stance on having dynamic contrast enabled?

It's all subjective of course but I usually turn most of that off. If you do even a basic calibration with a THX optimiser DVD or download a free set of videos from AVS forums, then you usually want stability without the TV butting in.
 
The wall mount in Richer Sounds is like £50 for a 49" tv

But I see plenty half that cost on Amazon, what price should I be looking at, obviously I don't want it to collapse
 
Microcenter right now. I'm eyeing the LG55UH6030 and the 43" model. Right now the price for each is 550 and 450 in store. HDR Pro sets. I'm about to return my Vizio M-55

I was looking at the 43" model of that one as well, I believe Dell is going to have it for $300 on Black Friday

What say you guys on the Samsung UN40KU6300? My room is small and this is more or less the biggest TV before it looks awkward. That and the price looks excellent.

I read a review saying it doesn't have full HDR so I decided against that model :(

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ku6300
 
Im ready to get a cheap 4k set just for pro and netflix, is HDR a must have?

I'm in the same boat, and while I haven't seen HDR with my own eyes, I feel like if you're going to spend the money on a 4KTV, you may as well just go all-out and get one with proper HDR even if you can't afford it right now. It's probably worth just waiting and saving more money. The feeling you'll have knowing you got a set with the right bells and whistles instead of something that feels gimped will be worth it. And again while I haven't seen HDR in person, everyone claims it's incredible and necessary for a proper 4K experience.
 
Im ready to get a cheap 4k set just for pro and netflix, is HDR a must have?

I'm in the same boat, and while I haven't seen HDR with my own eyes, I feel like if you're going to spend the money on a 4KTV, you may as well just go all-out and get one with proper HDR even if you can't afford it right now. It's probably worth just waiting and saving more money. The feeling you'll have knowing you got a set with the right bells and whistles instead of something that feels gimped will be worth it. And again while I haven't seen HDR in person, everyone claims it's incredible and necessary for a proper 4K experience.

the thing about getting a 4k tv for a "pro" is you need something that will take advantage of all the features.

that "something" will cost about $600 - $1,000, minimum.
 
the thing about getting a 4k tv for a "pro" is you need something that will take advantage of all the features.

that "something" will cost about $600 - $1,000, minimum.

Yeah. I already bought one so that FFXV will run the best it can even on my 1080p, but I'm hoping to find a good deal on Black Friday. I won't settle without HDR though. Not going to spend a lot of money on a new TV when I can save a bit more if necessary and get one with HDR.
 
the thing about getting a 4k tv for a "pro" is you need something that will take advantage of all the features.

that "something" will cost about $600 - $1,000, minimum.
I spent £450 on my 4K and the picture, for that price, is phenomenal. You do not need to spend excessively to get a brilliant picture.
 
What say you guys on the Samsung UN40KU6300? My room is small and this is more or less the biggest TV before it looks awkward. That and the price looks excellent.

It's a great TV if you understand that it doesn't have the wide color gamut required to show HDR10 accurately (I'm an owner, accept that and I'm fine with it, some HDR is better than no HDR). If you want HDR10 you'll need to cough up a few hundred dollars more.
 
I am pretty sure no TV exists with Sub 10ms of Input lag let alone one that does HDR. You must be super human to need that low of input lag in the first place.

Plus you keep mentioning response time, which is something totally different than input lag.

Yes they do, and no, you don't need to be superhuman to feel it.

http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/

An extra frame or 16 miliseconds can easily be the difference between winning and losing an encounter in an FPS, and literally is the difference between landing or dropping a combo in many fighting games.

Some of the 20MS sets seem okay, but some of these sets that people are buying here are looking at 40+ input lag, which means your inputs are going to come out at least 3 frames late (worse when you account for wireless controllers). That's not good, it affects you as a player in a competitive environment but not only that it also affects the games feel. Gameplay feels clunky and slow, games like Spelunky do not feel as responsive as the developers intended on those kind of TVs, and I think the game loses something as a result of that.
 
It's a great TV if you understand that it doesn't have the wide color gamut required to show HDR10 accurately (I'm an owner, accept that and I'm fine with it, some HDR is better than no HDR). If you want HDR10 you'll need to cough up a few hundred dollars more.

How do you know if a TV is HDR10 for sure? The LG 43UH6030 I've been looking at I haven't been able to find reviews for but they advertise as being HDR Pro which from what I found on the AVS Forum is HDR10?

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...5914-lg-marketing-what-does-hdr-pro-mean.html
 
How do you know if a TV is HDR10 for sure? The LG 43UH6030 I've been looking at I haven't been able to find reviews for but they advertise as being HDR Pro which from what I found on the AVS Forum is HDR10?

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...5914-lg-marketing-what-does-hdr-pro-mean.html

Check here and find the panel bit depth, the site doesn't have every screen though tbh. typically if you have a 50" screen under £500/$500 it won't be 8 bit. They're low end/entry level sets.
 
How do you know if a TV is HDR10 for sure? The LG 43UH6030 I've been looking at I haven't been able to find reviews for but they advertise as being HDR Pro which from what I found on the AVS Forum is HDR10?

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...5914-lg-marketing-what-does-hdr-pro-mean.html

It will accept an HDR10 compliant source material and display it in a standard color space. However it doesn't leverage HDR very much in reality. HDR is comprised of two components just like every image. Color and luminance. HDR essentially is an expanded "palette" so to speak. True HDR 10 requires a certain brightness and a certain color spectrum known as the DCI P3 color space. The 6300 is capable of fairly bright images but not really where you would want it to be for HDR, it also only covers about 75-80% of the DCI P3 code space so it's not technically considered to be a wide color gamut TV.

That being said, for the price the 6300 is still a stellar TV. The contrast and image quality is pretty spectacular.


Edit: Wow somehow I though you said KU6300. I'm going back to sleep.
 
Check here and find the panel bit depth, the site doesn't have every screen though tbh. typically if you have a 50" screen under £500/$500 it won't be 8 bit. They're low end/entry level sets.

I found a review for the 6100 model on Rtings.com and you are right, thanks for the tip :) I think I'll try to find a deal on the Sony X800D line instead
 
so, this probably isnt the right place to ask, but I'm scratching my head here.

I got an LG 60UH6550. I hooked up my home theater PC with an AMD GPU to it when I got it and was surprised to see it outputting at 4096 x 2160 4k and not 3840 x 2160 UHD. I swapped it over to UHD and got black bars on the left and right. Surprised I just assumed it actually was a DCI 4k set. I get my PS4 pro in and realize that its connecting at UHD without black bars. A quick google search tells me that the TV is in fact 3840x2160, yet I cant figure out why the hell my HTPC is displaying it and letting it render at 4096, and more annoyingly why it is showing black bars at 3840 x 2160

anyone have an idea.
 
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