I dunno. Do you think he can talk lifelong congress critters into voting themselves out of a job?
Donald J. Trump elected 45th President of the United States
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I dunno. Do you think he can talk lifelong congress critters into voting themselves out of a job?
Congress would have to vote on term limits. Good luck with that one. The people who benefit most from unlimited term limits would have to literally vote against their own self interests to do so.
I don't think two terms is the answer unless you're going to double the term length which seems.....dangerous. If you were going to do term limits I feel like four would be the right number. That would give them an equal amount of time to work with the President and their staff.
To really drive that home, how do the Democrats lose if they are cheating? Especially at the local and State level. I mean, forget the Presidential Election, the amount of people you'd need to mobilize and the data you'd need is insane but locally it'd be much easier to cheat at a local level effectively and yet they have way, way, less State and local government control than the Republicans.
Besides, I'd say Republicans do cheat themselves in the opposite way by suppressing voters they don't want voting.
Really, with how low voter turnout is in this country already, frankly, I think anything that's meant to lower turnout at all to be disgusting. Unpatriotic. Should be criminal. If we had high voter turnout I'd be able to approach this a with a little less hostility but when we're around 50% voter turnout and you have one party wanting to lower it, through both Voter ID laws AND gutting voting centers in strategic locations I find it hard to not think of that party as evil.
Good damn, USA GAF should be ashamed that people this uneducated about their own country can vote.
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I think it is more the Illegals Kool Aid than education about the laws.
iRAWRasaurus
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Its been almost a week, and reading this title still depresses me
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Come the fuck on.
You're confused. Voter ID is day of identification. You cannot vote unless you regisiter your name to vote. You have to be a citizen to register your name to vote. This is why voter fraud is incredibly rare, like there are only about 10 a voting year and they really try to dig.
tearsintherain
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Trump has already saved the country $399,999/yr - he has promised to only take $1 a year as salary in the 60 minutes interview.
That's not the norm? I recall obama saying he had a similar price point.
That's not true. He promised to take a 5% pay cut, but I don't remember if that ever ended up happening or not. He certainly accepted the salary though. Only three presidents have ever refused to pocket it.
I'm not even saying this as a knock against Obama.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/obama-first-lady-pay-81000-in-taxes-on-436000-of-income/
Most I can find is that he promised to take a 5% tax cut "in solidarity with federal workers." Everything else seems to point to him taking a regular salary unless I am missing something.
I'm not ashamed that they can vote, I'm simply ashamed of their ignorance.
Its been almost a week, and reading this title still depresses me
I voted for him and I have a weird feeling too, although obviously not depression. I sit back, and it's just so incredibly surreal that it actually happened. It still throws me for a loop every single time I hear someone say President-elect Trump or I see it in print.
We'll have 4 years of weird memes to go with it
I don't know if this has been passed around, but holy shit at the lack of new business in rural America. It's a good read.
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/
Tal Shiar Agent
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I just realized that there was one other time in American history where a demagogue made it to the presidency. This demagogue did have some relevant experience but it still went horribly. Funnily enough they ran on similar platforms, had similar tolerances of minorities, were similarly tempered, attached a similar voting base, and were both egotists.
Can anyone guess the name of this other demagogue?
Can anyone guess the name of this other demagogue?
Andrew -Mother Fucking Trail of Tears- Jackson
oneofthose
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Ok just wanted to ask a question USgaf a lot of people assumed the people of USA would not vote trump but let me ask why would you not think they wouldn't vote him when they voted bush twice in a row especially after the major mess up with iraq on his 1st term. were his political rivals in the elections that terrible?
DontBeThatGuy
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I dare you.
It was always a possibility, but it felt like a real long shot, but apparently 60 millions people were totally OK with his disgusting campaign and rhetoric. It's more disappointing then anything, and a reminder that we're still fucked as a country..
Audioboxer
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Frankie Boyle's American Election Autopsy
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b083s663
One of Scotland's biggest comics takes on this. Sadly I don't know if VPNs work on BBC for America?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b083s663
One of Scotland's biggest comics takes on this. Sadly I don't know if VPNs work on BBC for America?
Massive Duck. C.M.
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A lot of people refuse to admit what America is capable of.
Rural america lashed back at Obama for the sole reason he had some progressive ideas after the horror show of the Bush administration. They voted in red legislatures because they figured in a recession you need to stop public spending, and that only gave them gerrymandered districts and slow recoveries.
They talk about bootstraps then cry fowl when the market doesn't give them factory jobs. They voted out the group that could have potentially helped them.
But by god, they never have to answer for themselves do they. Fighting to keep their right to discriminate against gay people and then wonder why so many people flee to the urban areas. I don't want them to suffer, I want to bring back an America of industry, but shit, they spout a lot about personal responsibility but hardly put the practice into the meta.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I was on a blog today and I came across a matter-of-fact statement that was simple and communicative:
"What we are left with now is the most right-wing US government in history"
Is this statement true? On the face of it, I'm inclined to agree. The alt-right are a kind of gleefully unashamed version of the right opposed to any niceties or conciliation, and they've been given prize positions within Trump's cabinet. This is far more extreme than the more conciliatory nature of most republican governments.
I'm curious to know how some Trump supporters would respond to this. Obviously, many would be proud that it is the most rightward government: that was their whole goal.
But there are Trump supporters (and I'm saying this because they're on my Facebook), who I'm sure didn't think of Trump as an enabler of right-wing ideologues, but as a comfortable celebrity presence "telling it like it is" and fighting the system. I don't think they voted with the conscience that they'd be enshrining a fringe version of far right wing ideology. I don't think that even entered their understanding.
"What we are left with now is the most right-wing US government in history"
Is this statement true? On the face of it, I'm inclined to agree. The alt-right are a kind of gleefully unashamed version of the right opposed to any niceties or conciliation, and they've been given prize positions within Trump's cabinet. This is far more extreme than the more conciliatory nature of most republican governments.
I'm curious to know how some Trump supporters would respond to this. Obviously, many would be proud that it is the most rightward government: that was their whole goal.
But there are Trump supporters (and I'm saying this because they're on my Facebook), who I'm sure didn't think of Trump as an enabler of right-wing ideologues, but as a comfortable celebrity presence "telling it like it is" and fighting the system. I don't think they voted with the conscience that they'd be enshrining a fringe version of far right wing ideology. I don't think that even entered their understanding.
Depends on how you look at it. We were much more conservative in the beginning and allowed slavery.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Very true. It is a hard thing to quantify because of that.
Maybe the question could be phrased as... is this the biggest governmental swing from the mainline opinion of a given age, toward a rightward direction?
LBJ to Nixon was pretty big
TheSadRanger
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Alt right and far right are the same fucking thing. I hate how we have to come up with new trendy phrases for the same thing.
However here's the deal... How many of you are willing to fight? If Trump goes through with his immigration proposals this can easily change to political dissidents as well if he does manage to create his own police force. (I know ICE exists but this could end up something else entirely) Which doesn't seem far off with his cabinet choices.
If we have detention camps for immigrants with women and children being raped and tortured by Trump's henchmen, will you fight?
No posting on the internet but how many of you have military training?
However here's the deal... How many of you are willing to fight? If Trump goes through with his immigration proposals this can easily change to political dissidents as well if he does manage to create his own police force. (I know ICE exists but this could end up something else entirely) Which doesn't seem far off with his cabinet choices.
If we have detention camps for immigrants with women and children being raped and tortured by Trump's henchmen, will you fight?
No posting on the internet but how many of you have military training?
Carl2291
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As they should, he's a good guy.
A Serious Man
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He flies around the world feeding children I heard.
Journeywalker
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And yet, Nixon would be slightly left of center in modern times in terms of policy. He created the EPA. It's a shame that we've regressed so much on the issue.
mmm. I'm getting real sick of seeing papers with Trump and Farage's faces all over the covers.
SoRuffShoNuff
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This place in an echo chamber, lots of people here couldnt fathom people agreeing with Trump because they have removed people who agree with Trump from their lives/banned them from this forum.
As a black man living in the deep south this shit isnt a surprise to me one bit. Id say i have no communication with about half of the people i grew up with because they are hardcore Fox News/Trump supporters.
UK Papers and our already right wing government are lapping this up. It's it's exactly what they needed to get people to ignore the issues we've got in our own borders.
Be careful what you wish for. Le Pen and Petry could be next.
True. I mean, Reagan and Nixon are communists compared to today's GOP
Napoleonthechimp
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National popular vote tracker courtesy of David Wasserman: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/133Eb4qQmOxNvtesw2hdVns073R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/htmlview?sle=true#gid=19
1,152,016 difference in Clinton's favour (so far).
BinaryPork2737
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No. Bush lost the popular vote by about half a million votes in 2000, and that's the closest to Trump's loss.
... how this man be can apointed as a legitimate winner is beyond me.
i think only now am i starting to feel slightly better. Just distracting myself with some game LPs. I haven posted in gaming section since this mess. i havent cared about anything else. I hope there are enough smart and good people in the world to keep the evil in check. Ill do my part and donate to causes and such. but for the sake of me not killing myself i just cant keep getting lost in the hole this is causing
DieNgamers
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Maybe we (you) will have to wait and see what happens. People will go on the streets when he starts to fuck up – but what can you do beforehand? So far all he's done is bragging about his victory and choosing scary people for his cabinet. Doesn't mean everything is going down the shitter immediately (...please).
perfectchaos007
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I wonder if he's going to convert the whitehouse basketball court into a tennis court, or croquet or some other country club activity
Because you never bothered to update your old ass system. Shit like voting on tuesdays and voting indirectly made sense a few hundred years ago, but it doesn't anymore.
http://joshuafoust.com/this-is-not-normal/
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Using your Presidential transition website to promote your own business properties is not normal.
Calling for millions of federal employees to sign nondisclosure agreements apart from standard government forms is not normal.
Blasting journalists with product placements for the labels your child, who is on your transition team, is wearing is not normal.
Having a wide range of senior figures in your own political party distance themselves from your transition team, citing the profound irregularity of it and worrying about future ugliness, is not normal.
Placing your children in charge of your business empire, then placing them on your transition team, then seeking top secret security clearances for them, is not normal. The conflicts of interest that this represents are almost too many to count, but at a basic level: you do not give someone with a financial interest to work against U.S. policy access to sensitive information at all, ever
More at the link
We had this summary yet?
Using your Presidential transition website to promote your own business properties is not normal.
Calling for millions of federal employees to sign nondisclosure agreements apart from standard government forms is not normal.
Blasting journalists with product placements for the labels your child, who is on your transition team, is wearing is not normal.
Having a wide range of senior figures in your own political party distance themselves from your transition team, citing the profound irregularity of it and worrying about future ugliness, is not normal.
Placing your children in charge of your business empire, then placing them on your transition team, then seeking top secret security clearances for them, is not normal. The conflicts of interest that this represents are almost too many to count, but at a basic level: you do not give someone with a financial interest to work against U.S. policy access to sensitive information at all, ever
More at the link
fierrotlepou
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I wonder if the rest of the world will let this happen. History is repeating itself. No one can deny that stuff will get fucked up in 2017. Especially because of all the scum that Trump is surrounding himself with.
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