Pai Pai Master
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Glad I dropped these shit ass X-Men books
The fate of Cyclops-finally revealed in Death of X #4 today (SPOILERS)
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yanipheonu
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ElRenoRaven
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Just another example of everything wrong with Marvel anymore. Such a convoluted stupid storyline. They really need to have a house cleaning there. Marvel went from multiple buys and reads a month to 2 reads a month. Those being Amazing Spider-man and Deadpool.
What the fuck lol.
Don't read comic books, but having popped in here that's a twist that is bizarrely reminiscent of a video game that came out this year, of course by saying what it is I'd spoil it... damn it.
Ending spoilers for a (console spoiler)
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Phoenix Wright: Spirit of Jutice
LordOfLore
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Aside from the readers. It was a theory even before the comic started and most were convinced by #1 that this was going to be the ending.
deadscreensky
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I checked on the covers. (You probably meant cover 3? And I agree.) Caught this interesting summary for issue 4:
Death of X Issue 4 Summary said:
Sounds like quite an event I've missed.
WrenchNinja
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Mutie scum died a mutie scum death
Eat shit Summers
Eat shit Summers
Sgt. Kabukiman
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Marvel has to deliver big time with the X-Men relaunch. It better be Superman Rebirth quality.
I'm not going to touch that Inhumans vs X-Men shit, I just want this terrible page in the mutants' history to be over. I can't believe Marvel managed to make me hate the Inhumans, I loved the Jenkins Marvel Knights run so much back in the day as well as the Ladronn mini.
I'm not going to touch that Inhumans vs X-Men shit, I just want this terrible page in the mutants' history to be over. I can't believe Marvel managed to make me hate the Inhumans, I loved the Jenkins Marvel Knights run so much back in the day as well as the Ladronn mini.
I still don't understand how this is a thing and how it's not screwing everything up. Did they time travel or did they actually come from an alternate dimension where if they're killed it won't screw things up? Or does time travel in the Marvel universe work differently compared to time travel used in other pieces of fiction?
Seems plausible and probable, but marvel has kept 616 Jean Gray actually dead for a really long time, Professor X dead for a substantial time, and 616 Logan dead for longer than most comic deaths. X-Men seem more prone to permenant or long lasting status quo changes than the rest of marvel.
That timeline probably just has all the X-Men that Professor-X got slaughtered by that living island in the 616 continuity. Otherwise, I guess Onslaught probably killed everybody by the time the teens got into their twenties.
LiveFromKyoto
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Like, that aren't directly involved with the production of Inhumans comics? No, of course not. That's no mystery at all.
Escape Goat
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I mean nobody in the comic universe. Nobody can detect mental projections?
LordOfLore
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A bunch can. We're talking about a world where people like Wolverine can figure stuff like that out by scent or Magneto by there not being any iron in his blood etc.
This event was one huge character assassination of Emma Frost in more ways than one.
Duane Cunningham
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De facto, they're alternate dimension like 99% of Marvel time travel, although Bendis tried to pull some shit early on where one of the younglings was in danger and the older counterpart started to fade out, BttF style.
The Silver
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not if they don't have a reason to assume there's a mental projection, and Emma is one of the most powerful on earth, even if you tried she could block you.
Escape Goat
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Yeah, thats what I'm talking about. Somebody should have noticed something was different if not that it was Emma. :-/
Comics are so confusing to me. Not just the story lines but the actual format itself. While I love the Xmen and Marvel Universe at large I would have ZERO idea what and where to pick up to get a cohesive idea of the current story.
For all its faults, manga at least gets it right when it comes to continuity.
That said, if anyone wants to clue me in on where I can start with this current book. Last story arc I read was House of M and then right when Cyclops was recruiting new mutants but I don't remember which book it was.
For all its faults, manga at least gets it right when it comes to continuity.
That said, if anyone wants to clue me in on where I can start with this current book. Last story arc I read was House of M and then right when Cyclops was recruiting new mutants but I don't remember which book it was.
Jean Grey would have probably been back by now if it wasn't for Bendis' O5 idea (which I believe he was hinting at back in his The Heroic Age Avengers relaunch back in 2011). They also rode out fan anticipation with the Hope thing, and several prominent writers in a row liked the Scott/Emma dynamic.
Prof X has only been 4 years, and he had been marginalized for several years prior to that. Old Man Logan magically found a way to become a part for the Marvel U around the same time that it became clear that the third Wolverine film was going that way. As such, there is no real reason to rush on bringing regular Logan back. He will be back eventually though.
I usually just grab an Archie Double Digest or something at the supermarket when this happens. That Reggie, I tell ya
The whole stuff surrounding cylops post secret wars feels so artificial. I mean, they can't tell me that they couldn't tell this story until now.
Sgt. Kabukiman
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Just because the X-Men are mostly shit right now doesn't mean that the hundreds of other series you could try are all in a similar state. DC has plenty of fantastic books right now and Marvel has a few gems as well. And that's just on the superhero side of things.
Byakuya769
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This kind of shit is why I stay on the fringes of Marvel and as far a possible from any of their mainline event shit.
Can heroes act like fucking heroes? The conflict never made any sense. Like the royal family has a right to go around killing mutants with their (fuck fox) character creator clouds.
Can heroes act like fucking heroes? The conflict never made any sense. Like the royal family has a right to go around killing mutants with their (fuck fox) character creator clouds.
Image is where it's at if you want to avoid this sort of shit (and don't want to do your research on Marvel's current must read series)
Humble Bundle often runs crazy sales on Image stuff if you don't mind digital.
Crimsonlink
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Superman and Cyclops, the punching bags of DC and Marvel respectively.
Shit writers that continue to bring the characters down, not a shocker. Feed your dumb Batman and Wolverine masses with the shit they want at this point. I'm beyond caring for them anymore. #bitterfan
Shit writers that continue to bring the characters down, not a shocker. Feed your dumb Batman and Wolverine masses with the shit they want at this point. I'm beyond caring for them anymore. #bitterfan
"X-men comics suck now!"
And I sit here and laugh and laugh and laugh.
Sweet children, X-men comics were ALWAYS this bad. Whether it was the time Xavier's time-traveling evil son went to the past to bone his mother, or that time Xavier went nuts and gave us Onslaught, or when Xavier was lusting after teenage Jean Grey (whole lot of Xavier in this...), or that time Wolverine did the bone-claws no-nose feral thing for a time, or when Beast's girlfriend broke up with him after years of dating because she decided it was beastiality, or when Scott married Jean Grey's clone and then left her when Jean came back and she turned evil and became some goblin queen, or that time Angel and his girlfriend decided to get it on in the sky in public, or that time Jean and Scott were teleported into the future in new bodies to raise Scott's kid with Madelyn, Cable, before being sent back in time, or whatever the heck was going on with all the Magneto-clones like Joseph and Xord, and Maggot (remember Maggot?), or that time some badguy killed Psylocke and stuffed and mounted her body in his living room, or when Colossus died and was brought back to life by aliens or something, or Beast deciding his friends suck now so he brings their younger selves back in time and strands them here, or that time Jubilee fell in love with Robin (from Batman) before becoming a vampire and single mother, or that time Cyclops and Emma Frost made out on Jean's tombstone, or when Nightcrawler dated his stepsister for a bit, or the time they were gifted a haunted castle full of leprechauns...
I didn't make up any of this.
And I sit here and laugh and laugh and laugh.
Sweet children, X-men comics were ALWAYS this bad. Whether it was the time Xavier's time-traveling evil son went to the past to bone his mother, or that time Xavier went nuts and gave us Onslaught, or when Xavier was lusting after teenage Jean Grey (whole lot of Xavier in this...), or that time Wolverine did the bone-claws no-nose feral thing for a time, or when Beast's girlfriend broke up with him after years of dating because she decided it was beastiality, or when Scott married Jean Grey's clone and then left her when Jean came back and she turned evil and became some goblin queen, or that time Angel and his girlfriend decided to get it on in the sky in public, or that time Jean and Scott were teleported into the future in new bodies to raise Scott's kid with Madelyn, Cable, before being sent back in time, or whatever the heck was going on with all the Magneto-clones like Joseph and Xord, and Maggot (remember Maggot?), or that time some badguy killed Psylocke and stuffed and mounted her body in his living room, or when Colossus died and was brought back to life by aliens or something, or Beast deciding his friends suck now so he brings their younger selves back in time and strands them here, or that time Jubilee fell in love with Robin (from Batman) before becoming a vampire and single mother, or that time Cyclops and Emma Frost made out on Jean's tombstone, or when Nightcrawler dated his stepsister for a bit, or the time they were gifted a haunted castle full of leprechauns...
I didn't make up any of this.
So... why does everyone hates Cyclops? As far as most people know Cyclops just sacrificed someone to save thousands of mutants, yeah, shitty, but not the "biggest asshole supervillian ever" they were trying to sell us post-Secret Wars. The only think they would have done for him to deserve so much hate was if he attacked Attilan directly and killed dozens of them, but it was nothing. "He" just destroyed a poisonous cloud that was a religious symbol for the Inhumans.
Spike Spiegel
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Excellent.
Emperor_EL
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Yeah, they made it seem like he pulled a Phoenix 5 Namor or something just as bad. Marvel really fucking sucks at making Cyclops look like a bad guy.
Ok, a list of the things "Cyclops" did during this mini to be hated by everyone:
- Inform everyone in the world that the terrigen cloud was poisonous to mutants.
- Sacrifice one mutant to make one of the terrigen clouds inert.
- Die.
Still don't understand why everyone thinks he's Hitler.
- Inform everyone in the world that the terrigen cloud was poisonous to mutants.
- Sacrifice one mutant to make one of the terrigen clouds inert.
- Die.
Still don't understand why everyone thinks he's Hitler.
agentofatlas
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Cyclops is the man bro. Marvel tried to make him look bad for a while and all it did was reinforce the truth which is:
Cyclops was right.
Aurean_Mentat
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Seriously though, I'm kind of amazed by this. They keep trying to make the Inhumans happen (and lets not forget that Marvel editorial is notorious for their decrees from on high), and they just have to accept that if they are going to happen, its not like this.
Because after this, what makes damn sense anymore? You basically have the mutant version of the black plague, and when Cyclops is portrayed to have stopped it to save his people, somehow he's the bad guy?
My god, they have finally eclipsed One More Day logic. 'Hey, lets sell my marriage to the devil to save my octogenarian aunt, who if the devil really was the devil, would die of natural causes tomorrow'. Seriously, fuck Marvel, and I'm amazed that they expect this to get people interested in the X-Men?
The theory that they are trying to kill off the X-Men as well to spite Fox, and how they're using them as literal fuel to try to make the Inhumans happen sickens me.
Cyclops was right indeed.
For all of the people disenchanted by this, DC Rebirth has been killing it. There are a lot of good titles over there, and I would be happy to give recommendations for where to start.
There are also good X-Men comics (First 2 have cyclops as a central character written pretty well). As a note, these all happen before AvX (what I think is the kiss of death of the X-Men franchise):
New X-Men by Grant Morrison:
- If you want to read the comic various writers have been trying to undo for several years, this is it. I don't think the omnibus version is around anymore, and pretty good characterization of Cyclops, and the start of the Cyclops/Emma relationship
Astonishing X-Men by Joss Whedon
- My god, someone knows how to write Cyclops! Seriously, all of the characters highlighted in this book get awesome moments, but man, this is a guy who gets Cyclops and how to write him
Uncanny X-Force by Rick Remender
- Considered by many to be the best X-Men comic of recent memory, just read it, and see why
Because after this, what makes damn sense anymore? You basically have the mutant version of the black plague, and when Cyclops is portrayed to have stopped it to save his people, somehow he's the bad guy?
My god, they have finally eclipsed One More Day logic. 'Hey, lets sell my marriage to the devil to save my octogenarian aunt, who if the devil really was the devil, would die of natural causes tomorrow'. Seriously, fuck Marvel, and I'm amazed that they expect this to get people interested in the X-Men?
The theory that they are trying to kill off the X-Men as well to spite Fox, and how they're using them as literal fuel to try to make the Inhumans happen sickens me.
Cyclops was right indeed.
For all of the people disenchanted by this, DC Rebirth has been killing it. There are a lot of good titles over there, and I would be happy to give recommendations for where to start.
There are also good X-Men comics (First 2 have cyclops as a central character written pretty well). As a note, these all happen before AvX (what I think is the kiss of death of the X-Men franchise):
New X-Men by Grant Morrison:
- If you want to read the comic various writers have been trying to undo for several years, this is it. I don't think the omnibus version is around anymore, and pretty good characterization of Cyclops, and the start of the Cyclops/Emma relationship
Astonishing X-Men by Joss Whedon
- My god, someone knows how to write Cyclops! Seriously, all of the characters highlighted in this book get awesome moments, but man, this is a guy who gets Cyclops and how to write him
Uncanny X-Force by Rick Remender
- Considered by many to be the best X-Men comic of recent memory, just read it, and see why
You must not have read any Superman books in a long while then.
Cyclops is right even when it's not even really him. I have no clue where Marvel is even going with this anymore. If they wanted to "show" people how "wrong" he is there would be much simpler ways.
They aren't trying to show people how wrong he is with this. This is going to make the other X-Men angry and they'll be upset about how Cyclops was being used. On the Emma side they will probably write that the grief of losing Cyclops messed her up and redeem her that way.
This book has plenty of issues though lol.
Thanks for this. Digital is actually where I want to be. I never knew Humble Bundles where for anything but indie games before.
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