Nintendo Switch Dev Kit Stats Leaked? Cortex A57, 4GB RAM, 32GB Storage, Multi-Touch.
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Just like the feel of 60 FPS I presume?
Some people feel 30 FPS is better than 60 FPS.
Some people feel FFXV will save JRPGs.
lol
Some people feel paying a subscription for online multiplayer and renting "free" games is better than playing online for free and owning games.
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Regarding how the games will look:
Let's say the rumored specs are true and Switch is comparable to XB1 and PS4 but clearly less powerful. For GPU-intensive games, I'm wondering if it makes more sense to lower the graphical settings and then run at native 720p in handheld mode and 1080p in docked mode OR to run at 540p in handheld mode and 720p in docked mode while matching XB1/PS4 visuals.
Let's say the rumored specs are true and Switch is comparable to XB1 and PS4 but clearly less powerful. For GPU-intensive games, I'm wondering if it makes more sense to lower the graphical settings and then run at native 720p in handheld mode and 1080p in docked mode OR to run at 540p in handheld mode and 720p in docked mode while matching XB1/PS4 visuals.
I don't think it's going to ever have a higher resolution than Xbox in either mode. It's probably different on a game for game basis what make sense.
Resolutions will probably be flexible and depending on the game. I think we can expect this, because developers will always adjust resolutions to fit with whatever base set of effects and the like they are using for the game. I would put money on Nintendo games to be 1080p in TV docked mode and 720p when in handheld mode. They seem to be pretty good at sticking with whatever their base resolution targets are. 720p for Wii U (with some exceptions like Smash Bros. U). I think the NS will be base 1080p for them. I doubt they'll have any 2160p games.
geordiemp
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The issue imo will be memory bandwidth and speed of memory access, 25 or whatever it is vs 175 is not close. XB1 has to rely on its internal on die RAM with its 68 (I recall) memory access and probably why there are so many 900p titles (there will be other factors of course).
All this talk of Tflops in FP16 and CPU is kinda moot if it takes forever to access memory. Most posts seem to ignore this massive gulf in leaked specs.
Unless some magic bus and memory enhancement occurs, talk of matching ps4 on 1080p tvs does not make any sense to me. Also docked mode will not make the bus twice as big lol.
My guess is Switch will be 720 hand held and docked on most third party games like say creed, Witcher (the damanding stuff) with reduced textures and effects if the developers can cut down the game that much.
ShadowFox08
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I'm not taking the rumor that I post seriously. Just having to deal with pompous and hypocritical people like you that selectively choose which rumors to support while totally remove the idea and point of having discussions in the first place.
Milly Osworth
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Do you guys think Mario Kart 8+ will be 1080p?
Of course rumors should be selectively chosen, what's the problem with that ? Rumors coming from unreliable sources bears no interest in a discussion.
I certainly hope so.
I'm more concerned about them not adding some sort of AA solution to their games rather than being rendered in 1080p.
Their games are gorgeous but man jaggies hold their real beauty back.
ShadowFox08
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You do realize that the person who originally came up with the rumor that made up this thread is unreliable too right?
I made it because there's literally been a dozen rumors posted here since, and I'd like to see people's discussion it. It's fine if you don't believe it, but its ridiculous to attack someone to post for it, especially when they have noted to not to take it seriously.
What did I say was too far, especially when point out hypocrisy and people attacking me for posting the news when overlooking every other rumor, especially when I said to take it with a grain of salt? Shit man, you must be really good with selective reading and awful at looking at both sides of the story. If you're going to denounce someone for posting rumors, you might as well call for people from posting rumors altogether. Like that Marvel Vs Capcom RUMOR Thread that blatently says TAKE WITH A GRAIN OF SALT in the thread title.
I never said I believed it. I posted it because I found it interesting. My hopes are completely different than my expectations. See my post where I said I wasn't expecting it to rival PS4 power at all. Or the part where I said, "take with a grain of salt." I just posted a rumor, and people flipped their shit and ganged up on me for no reason at all. And I reacted in return to defend myself.
To be fair, we're dealing with a new and more modern architecture. NVIDIA GPU =/= AMD, and tends to perform better per flop. It might not look like it on paper, but It could be pretty close to xbox one. We don't know of course. I do think there is a very good chance we'll get another iteration that is rivaling PS4 power or more in a few years.
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Yeah, I definitely think Nintendo is now going to aim for 1080p/60fps as their new console standard, with perhaps a few 1080p/30fps games. If Switch is as powerful as it's rumored to be, I think we'll see moderate visual improvements in Nintendo games but big gains in image quality and potentially new engine complexities coming from the jump in the CPU. Ironically, I think Switch could end up being the 1080/60 system (for many of its best-selling first party games) that some people wanted from this current gen. Of course, third parties will use the system differently.
It's like if you went straight from N64 to Xbone, yeah.
I'm kiddingAm I, though?
It is kind of like going from 6th gen to 8th gen and skipping 7th gen altogether. 3DS seemed much more capable than N64, especially given the N64 ports it received.
Given the rumored power difference between Wii U and Switch, as well as the much more modern architecture, yes. And it better. I need my Mario Kart 8 in full HD.
I expect something like this to happen, potentially around the time PS5 launches or before (basically, whenever a new manufacturing node is possible).
All rumors should be selectively evaluated depending on the source. If someone you don't know or has a bad rep reports some rumor, it's better to straight up dismiss it until there's a reason not to. There's no reason to even discuss that stuff. If someone who has some real credibility says something, then that's a different story. This issue with the NS being close to the PS4 in power when docked? I'm gonna go with "no way" on that.
ShadowFox08
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Hey that's fine by me to dismiss a rumor, but to attack someone for simply posting it is just ridiculous, which is what happened to me. I did nothing wrong. I posted a rumor and noted to take with a grain of salt in a thread with a dozen rumors already posted since the first page. I merely defended myself and called out the hypocrisy. It's how you dismiss/people things that make all the difference.
BTW Nico has has gotten some rumors correct in the past.
I feel it's extremely likely that when in dock mode the Switch will be more powerful, but just because the GPU will run at a faster clock speed while plugged into the power, not because the dock itself.
geordiemp
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The leaked specs
256 CUDA cores, max 1 GHz, 1024 FLOPS/cycle
4GB RAM (25.6 GB/s, VRAM shared)
comparison
Ps4 = 176 GB/s
Pro = 218 GB/s
Xb1 = 68 with ESRAM at 109 Gb/s (or debatable 200 bi direction....)
The leaked specs suggest Switch is balanced around the 720p screen imo with 25.6 GB/s. The talk of CPU or GPU TFlops does not matter either way if constrained by 25.6 GB/s shared memory access unless their is a massive on die ESRAM / EDRAM or something that has not been mentioned yet..
Totally understandable. I don't like that people feel it's so easy to attack someone.
I think there might be some kind of controller to keep simple power from being the trigger. Like it has to be connected to the dock and have some sort of TV signal to do it. Otherwise, there would be no point in having the dock at all and I don't think that's what they're trying to get across.
ShadowFox08
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Right. The dock itself likely doesn't give any power. It's just plugging into a power to uplock like a laptop.
And if that's the case. If the handheld was plugged into an electrical outlet/charger in somewhere like a plane without a dock, it should be able to achieve the same power in docked mode, if its provided enough juice.. right? Then again, if the switch handheld doesn't have fans itself to cool, it could be an issue.
The specs in the op are not reliable, I don't know why this thread wasn't closed ages ago. I'm sure it's a lot more than 25mb,
ShadowFox08
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That original post has been dismissed already for quite some time. We don't know where they got their info and leakers are pointing to a more modern CPU like Pascal over Maxwell. It could have been a very early build.
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That bandwidth seems very odd, given that might be a decrease or lateral move from what Wii U had (that's based on the random, maybe unreliable, stuff I can find online) and Wii U had a few 1080p games. It would seem odd to have it be that low if every other aspects of the hardware was be a notable improvement.
geordiemp
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Oh I agree, WiiU supposedly had 12.8 GB/s but had that big dollop of 32 MB EDRAM which helps allot if developers use the onboard RAM and program for it. Switch leaked specs in this thread I just dont understand. Maybe WiiU could be more powerful at 1080p if the screen info fitted in the EDRAM ?
25.6 would be 720p target I assume, would need more than double that plus some 32 MB on die ESRAM to be Xb1 ballpark, which is still 900p on many third party graphic intensive games.
Would be interested to see if Skyrim is running at 720p or below and what textures.
Cow Mengde
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I think it actually silly to believe the dock won't provide any extra benefits beyond power and connectivity.
Why would Nintendo make you buy an expensive add-on when the charge port and HMDI can be built into the screen?
Again, that is my GPD XD. I don't need a special piece of hardware to charge it. I don't need a special piece of hardware to plug it into my TV. It's all there. The entire thing was $150.
Now I'm not saying the dock will make it more powerful than PS4 or whatever. I do think there is more to the dock than what people believe. It just doesn't make sense to have extra hardware to do something so simple, and jack up the price. It just doesn't seem very Nintendo.
Why would Nintendo make you buy an expensive add-on when the charge port and HMDI can be built into the screen?
Again, that is my GPD XD. I don't need a special piece of hardware to charge it. I don't need a special piece of hardware to plug it into my TV. It's all there. The entire thing was $150.
Now I'm not saying the dock will make it more powerful than PS4 or whatever. I do think there is more to the dock than what people believe. It just doesn't make sense to have extra hardware to do something so simple, and jack up the price. It just doesn't seem very Nintendo.
Doczu
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It's for the casual crowd. Convenience. Just plug the dock once and then put the tablet in and out when you want instead of plugging in cables every time you want to game on the tv.I think it actually silly to believe the dock won't provide any extra benefits beyond power and connectivity.
Why would Nintendo make you buy an expensive add-on when the charge port and HMDI can be built into the screen?
Again, that is my GPD XD. I don't need a special piece of hardware to charge it. I don't need a special piece of hardware to plug it into my TV. It's all there. The entire thing was $150.
Now I'm not saying the dock will make it more powerful than PS4 or whatever. I do think there is more to the dock than what people believe. It just doesn't make sense to have extra hardware to do something so simple, and jack up the price. It just doesn't seem very Nintendo.
If it were for the casual crowd and convenience, something like this would have been more than enough:
Doczu
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Tru. I'm not dismissing the posibility that the dock does somehow give the Switch some power-up, but i still think that the dock is there to not plug the cables all the time.If it were for the casual crowd and convenience, something like this would have been more than enough:
It's about perception and the dock clearly looks better than this cheap piece of plastic.If it were for the casual crowd and convenience, something like this would have been more than enough:
Refreshment.01
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Looks like it.
Although, every time i see the dock design it kind of bothers me Nintendo seems to be sacrificng functionality for presentation here. It would be an added feature to have the Switch screen displaying notifications within it's screen when docked, even in cases when the TV is turned off. Quick Start and notifications was one of the few interesting features that set the Wii U apart.
But i guess having a cutout window to view the screen when docked rests to the overall aesthetics of the base.
I'm hoping that the final build will have a glass or plastic window that you can see the display through so it can give notifications. Seems kinda like a wasted opportunity to have basically the whole screen covered up.
Jonneh3003
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Woah ok, I asked people to stop complaining about the fact that you posted the rumour and this is how you respond? Jeez you must really like picking fights. As I said in my previous posts you're free to share what you like but and we can choose to ignore it if we don't want to discuss it, something I was trying to encourage when people were ganging up on you. You also called Jpop a "pompous hypocrite" without warrant. What you posted isn't reliable and the only reason its gone off topic is because you keep insisting to bring it up. I think we're all ready to move on. There's no need to get hostile over this.
Well unlike those other examples, this one actually has some credibility to it. I'm sure there were things the PS2 excelled at that the Gamecube didn't. Even a certain developer who worked on each console that generation rated the PS2 higher than the Gamecube.
Anyhow, keep seeing this thread bumped but every time there's nothing concrete beyond the initial leak. Hopefully that bandwidth number changes or ports are going to be very tricky, even at 720p.
I see while we wait for the real Switch reveal people are going delusional again 
i'd like to believe those leaks and all but..
_I see people discussing what third party AAA games will look like on the Switch (like the witcher)... Come on guys, come on. You know it already. They won't look like anything at all.
_I love how every clues and realistic estimation based on Nintendo philosophy are ignored completly, regarding power. Nintendo always, always, always aims at the weakest they can to favor the usability. Alwyays! We KNOW this whole concept of the Switch IS a problem in term of battery life, we know that already and it's obvious.
We also know, from what we hear from them, and from what they showed, that they're basically rebooting the WIiU here, and that for them, having their last generation of games, in your hands, is a strong enough value. They thing it's amazing.
Basically what i'm saying, and i can be absolutely wrong, i hope, is that, IF Nintendo thinks WiiU power is a-ma-zing for a portable, and their primary objective was to run something like Zelda BotW on it (which is amazing for e portable game already), and they have to be the most economy efficient they can...
Why in hell, would they go further ? I mean i know we've been hearing better things but as we always did and it's always been the lowest they could in the end, for 3ds, for wiiu.. Cause Nintendo doesn't overkill. They do the lowest that will be good enough, impressive enough for their target. They always do that.
Same, about the tv dock. Let's try to be in their shoes, to think "what is the minimum we can do that is acceptable by people"; Why IN HELL would they aim at 1080p, when hey.. millions of people are buying and playing between 720p and 900p games on next gen consoles, everyday. WHy would the Switch output 1080p when the XBO can't most of the time. Why would Nintendo think "less than 1080p isn't enough by today's standard". This is Nintendo we're talking about. The 3ds has a resolution of 400x240.
I would add to the obvious concrete clues being ignored by everyone:
_They showed to us port of WIiU games that were not enhanced visually. I think that would be the first time, ever, in history of videogame that a company reveals its new console with a representation of games that is way below what the machine can achieve. I mean.. come on. Let's think about that.
_They said again and again that the dock is doing nothing. People thik "why then put a dock that is costly". But is it costly ? We don't know. There is a charging dock for the 3ds to. It's just the way they want to present it. Maybe it's nothing hardware wise and the whole thing is super cheap.
i'd like to believe those leaks and all but..
_I see people discussing what third party AAA games will look like on the Switch (like the witcher)... Come on guys, come on. You know it already. They won't look like anything at all.
_I love how every clues and realistic estimation based on Nintendo philosophy are ignored completly, regarding power. Nintendo always, always, always aims at the weakest they can to favor the usability. Alwyays! We KNOW this whole concept of the Switch IS a problem in term of battery life, we know that already and it's obvious.
We also know, from what we hear from them, and from what they showed, that they're basically rebooting the WIiU here, and that for them, having their last generation of games, in your hands, is a strong enough value. They thing it's amazing.
Basically what i'm saying, and i can be absolutely wrong, i hope, is that, IF Nintendo thinks WiiU power is a-ma-zing for a portable, and their primary objective was to run something like Zelda BotW on it (which is amazing for e portable game already), and they have to be the most economy efficient they can...
Why in hell, would they go further ? I mean i know we've been hearing better things but as we always did and it's always been the lowest they could in the end, for 3ds, for wiiu.. Cause Nintendo doesn't overkill. They do the lowest that will be good enough, impressive enough for their target. They always do that.
Same, about the tv dock. Let's try to be in their shoes, to think "what is the minimum we can do that is acceptable by people"; Why IN HELL would they aim at 1080p, when hey.. millions of people are buying and playing between 720p and 900p games on next gen consoles, everyday. WHy would the Switch output 1080p when the XBO can't most of the time. Why would Nintendo think "less than 1080p isn't enough by today's standard". This is Nintendo we're talking about. The 3ds has a resolution of 400x240.
I would add to the obvious concrete clues being ignored by everyone:
_They showed to us port of WIiU games that were not enhanced visually. I think that would be the first time, ever, in history of videogame that a company reveals its new console with a representation of games that is way below what the machine can achieve. I mean.. come on. Let's think about that.
_They said again and again that the dock is doing nothing. People thik "why then put a dock that is costly". But is it costly ? We don't know. There is a charging dock for the 3ds to. It's just the way they want to present it. Maybe it's nothing hardware wise and the whole thing is super cheap.
What else besides Devil's Third which was a very generic rumour to start with anyhow?
SpookyBlackFish
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Greetings!
First of all, I am not a tech guy and I almost don't understand anything when people talk about this stuff. I only can judge from the things that I see. What did I see from the Switch? A concept trailer. Good. There were also gameplay scenes, none of them officially confirmed yet and also not running on the hardware from what I've heard. But that does not matter for me, they were there and they must have been chosen for a reason.
So, what did I see? I saw graphical fidelity that looked like the best stuff a very well made WiiU game has to offer. Absolutely nice to look at but none of them like the more lush and detailed current gen games.
Again, those scenes must have been chosen for a reason. Otherwise they could have shown Dishonored 2 or Fallout 4 from Bethesda, maybe a newer entry of Assassin's Creed just to give a slight idea of the possible capabilities of the console. Why shouldn't they, if it was not exaggerated?
But they showed Skyrim, a Basketball game and some (content-?) enhanced WiiU games. I don't believe they didn't show stuff with more palpable bells and whistles as examples because it was not ready to show. It must have been by the time of the first glance, don't forget, that was half a year from the release of the Switch which is very close. Everything, yes absolutely everything for launch and launchwindow must be at least in a state of being able to present some scenes by now, otherwise it simply does not exist I would say.
I do not tend and do not like to believe that Nintendo is saving up some kind of graphical capability blowout for the January Direct, because that is not a thing to keep secret. The "secret" was the concept. Of course they will have more to show for the functions and UI, online and OS regarding the console that we don't know. But I don't expect a sudden and very remarkable increase in graphics, because of what I've seen in the first trailer just looked so reasonable.
To comment on "could be pretty close to Xbox One": could be. Could even outperform it in some ways. BUT: being so cleverly and highly efficiently designed (hopefully) could mean, that, even being a technical marvel for its size and power consumption, it is "just" powerful enough to put out WiiU level graphics, maybe with higher resolution and higher framerates. Nobody get me wrong please, I think this is very good for this comparably tiny device that also needs to be priced right.
I think some people read and interpret and compare those strange numbers (for me they are strange, as said, tech noob) in a wrong way and even the statement "current gen games are no problem to port to Switch" may be quite right due to the... ahm... architecture??... but the expected effect on graphical fidelity may be overly dramatised by some people.
I am eager to know. Could be that my very down - to - earth view on the things is proven wrong, which would only be for the better. Nevertheless I'm on the hypetrain anyway, Switch is day one for me.
Yeah I could see something like that if all they do with the extra GPU power is allow the system to render in up to 1080p instead of 720p on the screen. No point in increasing the speed of the GPU while plugged in if it's not in docked mode and hooked into a TV.
The PS2 was not capable of games like Metroid Prime, Rogue Leader, or Resident Evil 4 on the GC. They were obviously very different systems with different strengths but overall the GC easily exceeded the PS2.
Candescence
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The 3DS was basically a Gamecube/Wii-level device and more powerful than the PSP, it was the original DS that was N64 level.
Not really. The PS2 is easily the weakest system that gen, the Xbox and Gamecube are much closer and more debatable in terms of horsepower.
GodfatherX
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I don't think the dock will do any actual workload boost for flops, but I do think it will be a hardware upscaler, possibly using a checkerboard style system to push resolutions up to 1080p,.
This working in combination with the clock boost the tablet would get would allow the system more processing power while still pushing 720p out to the dock, and the the dock scaling up to 1080p
This working in combination with the clock boost the tablet would get would allow the system more processing power while still pushing 720p out to the dock, and the the dock scaling up to 1080p
SlipperyFishes
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The RE4 downgrade was real.
You forgot PS Vita that is way more powerfull than 3DS.
I thought it was pretty clear that this was a concept video and not a game announcement video. Skyrim is easily understood, an RPG, and well recognized so it's a good way to show the "pick up and play" aspect of the system. What do they gain by showing Fallout or Dishonored in a concept video? Why announce games like that in something like this? Whatever you saw in that video is not representative of what the game will look like in real life. On top of that, even the specs in the OP in this thread make this thing more powerful than the Wii U.
Comparing 3DS to other systems is a bit tough. It's much weaker than the systems of that generation in terms of polygon pushing and texturing(as seen in the 3DS version of Xenoblade), but its fixed-function shaders far outdo anything from that era. So you have games like Resident Evil Revelations which almost looks like a miniaturized Xbox 360 game, but other games can compare less favorably to PS2/GC/Xbox games. I think the DS, despite the lack of texture filtering, far exceeds the N64 with superior framerates and texture resolutions. Not to mention how much better it was as a 2D system.
Poor Dreamcast is forgotten so easily.
Refreshment.01
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i thought about that ED, the reason i didn't mention a transparent section is because this would rest a bit functionality also, since the touch screen would be a very intutive way to interact with notifications. im talking about in cases when the TV if off and you could potentially use the device to do some basic quick navigation. Basically cases where it would make sense for the user to be standing near the device.
Beyond notifications and quick launch, having a way to see the screen while the Switch is docked could potentially have an impact on the console's external presentation. Imagine having the option to have wallpapers or dynamic UI elements that correspond to the game been played. For example, imaging having an evolving screen saver that changes as you advance trough the plot of Fire Emblen.
Greetings Orioto... i wanted to use some of the points you made in this post to make an observation, im not debating your arguments per se.I see while we wait for the real Switch reveal people are going delusional again
i'd like to believe those leaks and all but..
_I see people discussing what third party AAA games will look like on the Switch (like the witcher)... Come on guys, come on. You know it already. They won't look like anything at all.
We also know, from what we hear from them, and from what they showed, that they're basically rebooting the WIiU here, and that for them, having their last generation of games, in your hands, is a strong enough value. They thing it's amazing.
Basically what i'm saying, and i can be absolutely wrong, i hope, is that, IF Nintendo thinks WiiU power is a-ma-zing for a portable, and their primary objective was to run something like Zelda BotW on it (which is amazing for e portable game already), and they have to be the most economy efficient they can...
Same, about the tv dock. Let's try to be in their shoes, to think "what is the minimum we can do that is acceptable by people"; Why IN HELL would they aim at 1080p, when hey.. millions of people are buying and playing between 720p and 900p games on next gen consoles, everyday. WHy would the Switch output 1080p when the XBO can't most of the time. Why would Nintendo think "less than 1080p isn't enough by today's standard". This is Nintendo we're talking about. The 3ds has a resolution of 400x240.
i think people are focusing too much in how this device power relates to MS and Sony's offerings when what i think matters the most is how it's hardaware capabilities relate within Nintendo's own console universe.
Think that one of the biggest features of the Switch that gets overlooked is how not only it will have enough processing to host Nintendo's future mobile and console output under one umbrella but also how the device could potentially play almost the enire Nintendo catalogue across generations in HD resolutions.
The biggest unknown to me to achieve this, is if the right Joycon could emulate a Wii Remote fully, having games from NES upto Wii generations in 1080P out of the box TO PLAY ANYWHERE would be quite the feature.
I think we all agree that this system will be powerful enough to guarantee awesome looking first party games and third party exclusives, like indeed we saw on the weak 3DS with games like Mario 3D Land, Zelda, Kid Icarus and RE Revelations. Problem is will EA, Ubisoft, Activision etc be willing to work in order to push Switch hardware to its limit? the answers is likely no, they'll just want to make ports as fast and as cheap as they can, and i don't know if it'll be possible on Switch hardware
I had this idea to open a thread with the topic title
" Several sources pointing at Switch being on par (or similar) with OG PS4/X1 powerwise, but we won't believe them, why?"
the Nvidia guy, this Nico guy. Not sure what's Laura's stance on that one is but if she claims BG&E2 will appear on Switch, then I can't believe Ubi will produce a game that will look like a fucking PS3 era game and saying it will be "just inbetween generations powerwise" is just being silly.
Emily is the one a bit less positive saying it comes close to a X1 but not PS4, but even so, then just produce a game taking the power (or internal structure, whatever) of a X1 in mind cutting edges as little as possible.
there, Voila, those 3rd party games are possible on PS4 X1 and Switch.
I know everything is up in the air but I am not sure why people scream BULLSHITTTT!!!!!111 at the first insinuation that the Switch will be able to run decent 3rd party games on par with OG ps4 and x1.
Sure, you won't play a game like "The Last of Us 2" which is likely optimized for the ps4 pro on a switch tablet, but plenty of other regular current gen stuff, it may as well be possible,
" Several sources pointing at Switch being on par (or similar) with OG PS4/X1 powerwise, but we won't believe them, why?"
the Nvidia guy, this Nico guy. Not sure what's Laura's stance on that one is but if she claims BG&E2 will appear on Switch, then I can't believe Ubi will produce a game that will look like a fucking PS3 era game and saying it will be "just inbetween generations powerwise" is just being silly.
Emily is the one a bit less positive saying it comes close to a X1 but not PS4, but even so, then just produce a game taking the power (or internal structure, whatever) of a X1 in mind cutting edges as little as possible.
there, Voila, those 3rd party games are possible on PS4 X1 and Switch.
I know everything is up in the air but I am not sure why people scream BULLSHITTTT!!!!!111 at the first insinuation that the Switch will be able to run decent 3rd party games on par with OG ps4 and x1.
Sure, you won't play a game like "The Last of Us 2" which is likely optimized for the ps4 pro on a switch tablet, but plenty of other regular current gen stuff, it may as well be possible,
Law of physics what are those
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