With Knack 2 Being Announced, When's The Order 1886's Sequel?
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Melchiah
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And The Order would have gotten better sales as well, if it had been a bundled launch title.
So what was this recent teasing about?
Game Informer Interview: The Order: 1886 In Retrospect And Ready At Dawn's Future
Just hire a good creative game director, someone like cliffy b to make a proper shooter which was what everyone thought it was going to be but turn out that it is not. There are enough good setup that to get things started, I am sure they can reboot it into a successful franchise.
NoFaceNico
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One failed franchise at a time, please.
Comfort Jones
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If they have the same director in charge (if it ever happens) I will be actually salty. I've never seen someone so openly fucking backwards about game design aside from maybe David Cage.
Honestly it's depressing how much a vague world idea and good graphics can get people to believe in the idea. The strength or lack of strength in the ip has absolutely nothing to do with the ideas because frankly they present next to nothing there. There's no reason a more talented team couldn't do something similar, dudes fighting monsters with guns n shit, without it being an Order game. FFS didn't Bloodborne come out in the same year?
Honestly it's depressing how much a vague world idea and good graphics can get people to believe in the idea. The strength or lack of strength in the ip has absolutely nothing to do with the ideas because frankly they present next to nothing there. There's no reason a more talented team couldn't do something similar, dudes fighting monsters with guns n shit, without it being an Order game. FFS didn't Bloodborne come out in the same year?
Melchiah
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I liked Knack, thought it definitely had potential and I'm glad it's getting a second chance. I hope they don't (Knack spoilers)
I still need to play The Order 1886 - maybe I'll do that this week - but I've heard similarly that it also does a lot of interesting things that could be expanded on. The Order spoilers
Loved MAG, though I think it needed a bit of reworking which could hopefully be solved by a sequel. With Warhawk I'd be completely fine with Sony just doing a straight port to PS4. That game was pretty much perfect.
end Knack on a cliffhanger again.
and apparently it ends on a cliffhanger, so that should be avoided.
Loved MAG, though I think it needed a bit of reworking which could hopefully be solved by a sequel. With Warhawk I'd be completely fine with Sony just doing a straight port to PS4. That game was pretty much perfect.
comshoplesce
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The Order 1886 sequel I would buy it.
Milly Osworth
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One dethroned Mario, the other didn't.
I bet knack cost less than half of what the order did and out sold it without breaking sweat, knack also isn't as bad a game as people make it out to be and appeals to a wide demographic. Mind I'm on of the few who liked both so I'd be happy to see an order follow up too.
Frozenprince
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Call Bosman, he'll get it done.
Saint of Killers
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Didn't Sony wash their hands of Ready of at Dawn?
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ethomaz
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I have the Platinum trophy if you wish to check.
The Order is not a game sorry... Knack at Lear if fun with challenge mechanics.
I don't know for sure but Knack had more legs than 3D Mario in UK... even this year Knack entered some times in the TOP40.
shinobi602
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It's not teasing. Standard PR speak to get people off their back and direct any questions towards Sony. Sony's done with the IP and RAD's busy with Lone Echo, Deformers and the new AAA IP.
And you guys are reading into this way too much. Cerny's in charge of Knack. Given his position, he can do what he wants, it's not because the first game was so massively successful lol.
The Order was a more fun single player game than Gears of War.
Knack must have sold well enough, The Order must have not. Sony has always been a company to highlight their successes while keeping quiet on their disappointments.
We have Sony talking about how Knack (plus others) making it pass 1 million sales.
http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/09...lion-copes-joins-knack-infamous-and-killzone/
While here, this is the only official sales update related to The Order (and not even from a Sony rep):
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ps4-s-the-order-1886-well-on-its-way-to-meeting-sa/1100-6427891/
And it was only "well on it's way" to meet expectations, months after Order's release. So it's not hard to imagine why SIE see fit to continue with Knack and not The Order.
But that actually looks fun.
I played all of The Order, and it was bad. Knack is bad too, but at least it moved the needle enough for SIE.
We have Sony talking about how Knack (plus others) making it pass 1 million sales.
http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/09...lion-copes-joins-knack-infamous-and-killzone/
While here, this is the only official sales update related to The Order (and not even from a Sony rep):
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ps4-s-the-order-1886-well-on-its-way-to-meeting-sa/1100-6427891/
And it was only "well on it's way" to meet expectations, months after Order's release. So it's not hard to imagine why SIE see fit to continue with Knack and not The Order.
to go from the Order to this...
my gawd....
But that actually looks fun.
I played all of The Order, and it was bad. Knack is bad too, but at least it moved the needle enough for SIE.
Who's funding/publishing this new AAA IP?
KingJ2002
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The order was a great concept that deserves a sequel... but i assume it took a lot more resources to create the order compared to knack... and having Mark Cerny pushing the game helps a lot.
Knack 2 with it's smaller budget could turn out to be a great sequel... like Sonic 2 was to the original.
Having The Order 2 with 4K graphics, a more compelling story, online co-op missions, online multiplayer, and dlc expansions would be awesome... but it seems it would take a lot to do so and neither ready at dawn or Sony seem interested in going down that trail.
Knack 2 with it's smaller budget could turn out to be a great sequel... like Sonic 2 was to the original.
Having The Order 2 with 4K graphics, a more compelling story, online co-op missions, online multiplayer, and dlc expansions would be awesome... but it seems it would take a lot to do so and neither ready at dawn or Sony seem interested in going down that trail.
It doesn't make sense for Sony to make multiple games in the same genre if they don't sell well, they already have that audience. That's why Knack makes more sense for them than The Order. Plus, Mark Cerny, Japan Studio being first party and them not having any IP that's going to sell much better anyway.
Is Japan Studio still working on a JRPG?
Is Japan Studio still working on a JRPG?
ethomaz
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GameStop I guess.
CrispyBoar
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I hope it's forgotten.
Knack is Cerny's creation, the budget is much smaller I bet, and it sold more than The Order. It just makes sense from a business perspective.
I'd love a sequel for The Order too. The first game was mediocre but it could always pull off an Assassin's Creed 2.
Knack 2 looks exactly the same as 1. Slow ass gameplay and all.
98%? The game isn't a masterpiece and if it had bad graphics, no one would talk about it, what does that tell you?
I'd love a sequel for The Order too. The first game was mediocre but it could always pull off an Assassin's Creed 2.
Knack 2 looks exactly the same as 1. Slow ass gameplay and all.
98%? The game isn't a masterpiece and if it had bad graphics, no one would talk about it, what does that tell you?
It sucks to hear this, but in 2016 and beyond, Knack is much bigger than Ape Escape. The first Knack sold better than anyone thought it would, so it makes sense that Sony would greenlight a sequel.
I don't think Knack 2 means that we'll get another The Order, that being said, I would love it if we did. The Order had lots of potential and, while it had its faults, I think a lot of people just shat on it because they thought it was the popular thing to do at the time. Definitely didn't deserve as much hate as it got.
Melchiah
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Who said anything about masterpiece? The visual style is a major part of games. Something like Gears of War wouldn't be the same in a different form either.
Gears of War perfected the foundation that all cover shooters would use for the following decade.
The Order gave us a QTE final boss.
I wonder which one would lose more from having worse graphics.
Melchiah
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You're jumping from one argument to another. Would Gears have gotten the exact same attention without being such a graphic showcase? That's what your argument was about The Order. Games are tied to their appearances.
Gears would still be known. It wouldn't be used as a graphical showcase sure, but everyone would still have a blast with the game and its MP.
So not the exact same attention, but people know when gameplay is revolutionary, so it would have that going for it.
The Order wouldn't even be a blip in the radar.
Pretty sure people bashed the Order: 1886 for more than just length, deservedly so.
Knack is probably a cheaper title to make, and has Cerny to support it over the Order not being a great seller on top of a metacritic flop.
Still, Knack was about as unimpressive to me as the Order, so if that gets a sequel, guess it's fair the Order does too.
I'd prefer those studios try making some other IP, and we could get something actually good out of it. Or maybe the guys at Ready at Dawn could play any Gears game, and discover how to make more than 2 fun to use guns...plus maybe try to make at least one interesting enemy type to fight.
Knack is probably a cheaper title to make, and has Cerny to support it over the Order not being a great seller on top of a metacritic flop.
Still, Knack was about as unimpressive to me as the Order, so if that gets a sequel, guess it's fair the Order does too.
I'd prefer those studios try making some other IP, and we could get something actually good out of it. Or maybe the guys at Ready at Dawn could play any Gears game, and discover how to make more than 2 fun to use guns...plus maybe try to make at least one interesting enemy type to fight.
Any idea if they will push for a cinematic presentation again for this one?
bigboss370
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The first game ended as soon as the story took a really interesting turn, so I'm definitely looking forward to a sequel on PS4.
Why let such an impressive engine go to waste? Now that they have the tools it should be easier to build from there without too much time or resources gone into starting from scratch like the first time.
Why let such an impressive engine go to waste? Now that they have the tools it should be easier to build from there without too much time or resources gone into starting from scratch like the first time.
tearsofash
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Hell yeah I can't wait for The Order: 1986
Ninja Scooter
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That's a sunk cost. Pouring more money into it, when the first game was a critical and commercial flop, doesn't strike me as smart business. There would still be a ton of money and resources that would need to go into a sequel (asset creation, writing, voice acting, mo-cap).
Rodney McKay
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My favorite game in the Jak and Daxter series (never played the PSP one with the flying ships, but I rarely hear anyone talk about that one).
A Vita sequel would have been great to see. Should have gotten that instead of that mediocre Uncharted game.
Spiral Insanity
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People hate on The Order too much. 
Give me a Pro patch, please.
Give me a Pro patch, please.
Spiral Insanity
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So did Uncharted.
