The boss fight shits on the copy/paste final boss fight of TO, in emotion, gameplay and impact.
With Knack 2 Being Announced, When's The Order 1886's Sequel?
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The boss fight shits on the copy/paste final boss fight of TO, in emotion, gameplay and impact.
QuantumDerp
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Thanks!
And you're not wrong. Sadly I don't think Sony will be willing to make another one unless they see massive outcry for it. Such as the "meme campaign" for Knack.
I'll start.
I know this is from AngryJoeShow, but it's the best thing the internet has right now.
That looks like nic cage.
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Vader1
Unconfirmed Member
Lol
shinobi602
Member
They learned a LOT of lessons from The Order. Expect more focus on gameplay systems and mechanics.
Nah. They're new on the scene, they don't have the resources right now.
Yep. They should make an MP only game, and see how it does. The gunplay, and maneuvering from cover to cover is one of the best in gaming without a doubt.People hate on The Order too much.
Give me a Pro patch, please.
I don't think gameplay systems and cinematic presentation are mutually exclusive though.
I expect it to be more systemic of an experience, I'm just wondering if things like film grain, 16:9, and other filmic attributes might make a comeback.
Zambayoshi
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Galahad's reaction:
Host Samurai
Member
Knock was actually a pretty good, surprisingly challenging game.
So from a publishing perspective, Knack is a little title that was around at launch, has Cerny behind it and was never considered a prestigious title. It's lukewarm reception would have meant little in terms of face for Sony.
TO:1886 had the full weight & budget of Sony's marketing behind it, had a long time in the oven, was supposed to be a new tent pole IP for the platform, and fell completely on its ass commercially & critically. There was a huge loss of face on its release for Sony, and it fuelled the idiotic 'no gaemz' meme on social media.
If you spend a minute or so looking past your own preferences it's not hard to see why one got a sequel and the other didn't.
TO:1886 had the full weight & budget of Sony's marketing behind it, had a long time in the oven, was supposed to be a new tent pole IP for the platform, and fell completely on its ass commercially & critically. There was a huge loss of face on its release for Sony, and it fuelled the idiotic 'no gaemz' meme on social media.
If you spend a minute or so looking past your own preferences it's not hard to see why one got a sequel and the other didn't.
potatohead
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Both games deserve a sequel.
Really want to see what happens in the Order universe.
And who gets the hot Indian chicks.
Really want to see what happens in the Order universe.
And who gets the hot Indian chicks.
funkystudent
Member
I wish Japan studio ported puppeteer to ps4 instead of going all in on knack.
Melchiah
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Gameplay-wise it pales in comparison to Gears, but it's still not like those who enjoyed it did so just because of the graphics. The setting, atmosphere and story hooked me, although the latter was pretty predictable. If it had had the usual shooter setting, that's more grounded to reality, I wouldn't have been interested in the game, no matter how good it looked. The most disappointing things about it were the werewolf encounters, QTEs, and the lack of horror. The few shooting sections it had, worked pretty well.
EDIT: Oh, and the stealth sections were pretty frustrating, unless you used the crossbow. I think the game gets far too little credit for its fantastic soundtrack.
Here are few pieces from the OST:
The Knight's Theme
The Darkness Within
The Trial
While I enjoyed the game despite the terrible werewolves fights and forced walking, and Lakshmi is a hot mom, I'm not sure how Sony could convince people including myself to give it another chance with $60 (I bought it at $10 during PSN sale), expecially now PS4 lineup has grown increasingly overwhelming
Triggerhappytel
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There is no way in hell The Order 1886 sold 1.7 million copies. I'd be surprised at this point if it's breached a million sold. Plus, I'm sure developing a platformer in Japan is a fraction of the cost of developing a cutting-edge visually outstanding cinematic shooter in North America.
That being said, I would love it if Sony had the faith in RAD to give them another shot, but I really don't see it happening. The premise was so cool, and the execution damn disappointing.
I believe Knack did very well for itself, but a lot of that was due to bundling so it's probably not a real reflection of how well the game sold. I bought a copy, digitally a couple of months ago for £6.50, I think it was. I thought the game was okay, but my kids liked it a lot. Hoping for good things from 2 Knack 2 Furious.
General Lee
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Sony has plenty of games for the demographic that's into The Order. No reason to push for sequels for mediocrity when there's plenty of better stuff for the same category.
Melchiah
Member
That's true. None of them have a similar steampunk setting with werewolves
and vampires
There's a reason The Order 1886 failed. When it came down to it, people didn't actually want to play it; its primary utility ended up being hype fodder for console wars wankery. There's effectively no point in a sequel now that PS4 has numerous technically accomplished games that are actually enjoyable to play.
Triggerhappytel
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Yeah; Gran Turismo 6 and Puppeteer should have been PS4 games, or cross-gen at the very least.
It wasn't just the cinematic presentation; the level design was very uninteresting for the most part and the pacing was horrible. I hated the fixed walking sections.
I'd like to nominate this into top 5 replies in this thread.
This too... bravo.
It's Nic Cage from another time... apparently he's a vampire of sorts.
Galahad's reaction:
WHERE IS IT SONY??????
Mass Effect
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this is the real question
I honestly don't understand why they couldn't just hold it back for the PS4 launch - it would have done so much better for both the title and the console.
Megawarrior
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Ya'll didn't buy the first one.
TrojanBlade
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People hate on The Order too much.
Give me a Pro patch, please.
I think the expectations were too high specially since it was a PS exclusive and when they were not met, everyone starting shitting on it. The game was not as bad as people tend to say. It had some really good shooting mechanics, great weapons and great background story. A sequel would have fixed most of the issues it had, which are very fixable (more open environments, less linear, less QTEs, weapon upgrades, better story execution). Its a shame Sony is letting it die.
Acquiescence
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If Puppeteer was a PS4 launch title, we'd be getting it right about now. Alas.
Blueingreen
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Knack looks like it costed food stamp's to make and actually sold, The Order if modern AAA budgets are anything to go buy must have costed at at least 50 million and sold like wank, I mean has Sony even comented on the sales of that game?
Or even in the first Q2-Q3 period of the PS4 where it was absolutely barren, releasing it on the PS3 3 months before the PS4 launch and on GTA 5 week was a march to the gallows.
Or even in the first Q2-Q3 period of the PS4 where it was absolutely barren, releasing it on the PS3 3 months before the PS4 launch and on GTA 5 week was a march to the gallows.
And the gunplay is among the best in the industry. MP is a must too.
belteshazzar
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lol. seriously though, why do so many people praise knack here? I found it to be quite mediocre. Also, I did enjoy The Order, even though it's quite flawed, and I would be interested in the sequel, particularly if they fix many many of the originals flaws.
professor denim
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I'd rather play a sequel to The Order than Knack.
Some of us actually enjoyed Knack. To me it reminded me of the good old days.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Considering how bad TO was, it would take a lot to make TO 2: Electric Wolfaloo something worth playing.
Day never.
Day never.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Remember how everyone was saying that the first game didn't need MP because that meant that all those resources would go towards a robust and varied SP campaign? Good times guys. Seriously, no, they completely squandered the premise of this game with a generic rebels vs rich people story where gee golly gosh the rebels were right all along and now their key to victory is this generic gruff white man. No thanks.
Because Knack on hard is actually good. Most who shit on it wouldn't beat it.
Suzushiiro
Banned
The difference between Knack and The Order is that Knack's issues can pretty easily be blamed on its status as a launch title- nothing was necessarily wrong about what the game was trying to do, the team just didn't have enough time to do it very well because it had a non-negotiable launch date of November 2013. The Order has no such excuse- it had the luxury of being able to be delayed out of its original launch window and *still* bombed hard.
There's other potential reasons too, of course- there's a lot less saturation in the "kid-targeted action game" genre than the "adult-targeted cinematic shooter" genre, for one. Knack being developed by a studio wholly owned by Sony (and being Cerny's baby) while The Order wasn't is another. But overall it comes down to the same thing- if it makes sense for Sony to give either of these franchises a second chance, it's Knack.
There's other potential reasons too, of course- there's a lot less saturation in the "kid-targeted action game" genre than the "adult-targeted cinematic shooter" genre, for one. Knack being developed by a studio wholly owned by Sony (and being Cerny's baby) while The Order wasn't is another. But overall it comes down to the same thing- if it makes sense for Sony to give either of these franchises a second chance, it's Knack.
pixelation
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T_T
IcyRhythms
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Others have probably already stated something similar, but Knack was low risk. The Order was a completely different beast. Knack 2 will also low risk and big reward. Even if the sales are only 750K-1.5M, that's probably enough to justify another game.
Im just talking about wanting the presentation to return.
Castef
Banned
I just published an article on IGN Italy containing a list of 10 "unlikely" sequels that could be announced in the wake of Nier: Automata and Knack 2.
The list is:
- The Order 1887 (well... of course... that's why I'm writing in this thread...
)
- The Last Remnant 2 / EX (sequel or remaster for PS4)
- Fez 2 (re-announcement after Phil Fish gets out of retirement)
- Eternal Darkness 2 (aka: Nintendo publish Shadow of the Eternals and uses the Eternal Darkness brand on it)
- Crash Team Racing 2 (because Sony no longer has a karting game and Crash is coming back...)
- Otogi 3 (one can dream, right?)
- Syphon Filter Reboot (a game by Hideo Kojima)
- Team Fortress 3 (because "We can do better than Overwatch!")
- Hexen 3 (DOOM, Quake and Wolfenstein have been remastered/reworked. Time for the fantasy ones...)
- Too Human Again (Microsoft gives the IP to Ninja Theory or Platinum Games...)
That's it, just a little wishing and betting.
The list is:
- The Order 1887 (well... of course... that's why I'm writing in this thread...
)- The Last Remnant 2 / EX (sequel or remaster for PS4)
- Fez 2 (re-announcement after Phil Fish gets out of retirement)
- Eternal Darkness 2 (aka: Nintendo publish Shadow of the Eternals and uses the Eternal Darkness brand on it)
- Crash Team Racing 2 (because Sony no longer has a karting game and Crash is coming back...)
- Otogi 3 (one can dream, right?)
- Syphon Filter Reboot (a game by Hideo Kojima)
- Team Fortress 3 (because "We can do better than Overwatch!")
- Hexen 3 (DOOM, Quake and Wolfenstein have been remastered/reworked. Time for the fantasy ones...)
- Too Human Again (Microsoft gives the IP to Ninja Theory or Platinum Games...)
That's it, just a little wishing and betting.
Salz01
Member
I really wish the order got a sequel. The atmosphere is great, the fights that are there are decent. I think the bad rap is totally unwarranted. I go back to it every now and then. Especially since you can play in real time with the photo mode settings. I put film grain to zero and it's clean and crisp through out.
I really wish it would get a sequel.
I really wish it would get a sequel.
Ninja Scooter
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When the only thing you mention as far as replayability is the photo mode, you are kind of making the case for why the bad rap is absolutely warranted. Beautiful game, but ever other aspect outside of the visual aesthetic is about as mediocre as you can get.