FFXV's future updates adjust chapters, add cutscenes, add playable characters, more

megalowho said:
No, it's a messy game that went through development hell and still ended up good, but flawed. They likely didn't even know what they actually had until late in the process, and it could be great with more work.

Persona 3 was not a beta, and everyone loved and welcomed FES. Who wouldn't I be happy that they see the potential as well and will continue to work to deliver on it?
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UpDownLeftRight said:
No? He's telling you there's a design shift around that chapter and that the story could have been presented a bit better, which appears to be what they're doing? Was the Witcher 3 in beta since Triss's story got adjusted?
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Sorry guys, should have included the /s
 
Riposte said:
Would be funny if all this fury was over one or two cheaply made cutscenes.
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You think it'll be anything else lol. That's all its going to be.

This thread is a perfect way to know who actually played. They can't fix the story at this point at all. This coming from someone who loves the game. They would have to add so much that they wouldn't possibly add it for free.
 
Riposte said:
Would be funny if all this fury was over one or two cheaply made cutscenes.
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probably just some in-game models standing around talking some more. Seems it's just a matter of recording VO in various languages from what the blog said.
 
Teletraan1 said:
How would fleshing out the story slightly not make it a better experience? Because you want to downplay any issues this game has? Sorry doesn't work like that. Your whataboutism with ME3 was cute though, the three fars really sold it.
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Ok, thanks for telling me how it works. I love how upset you are :)
 
Why do some people act as if they're just gonna flesh out that one scene? They are using it as an example, not saying that that's the only thing that will be fixed. It says they will update the production of the whole second half of the game, don't cherry pick one little thing and defend it when that's not what it's insinuating at all.
 
dickroach said:
interpret it how you want to, but claiming they are going to be "Updating the production of the second half of the game," is them clearly admitting they rushed it.
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Yeah and this stuff definitely does not sound anywhere near "small changes" that won't enhance the experience. They're going to add multiple cutscenes, not just of Ravus, and they're "updating the production of the second half of the game," changing Chapter 13 (if you read it correctly they're not just making magic stronger), adding playable characters, etc.

And yes, obviously they were rushing, which is why they added a billion things within the last 2 weeks before release, including patched-in cutscenes. Hell a user on here confirmed that they slightly changed a scene in the ending, a week before launch.


It really does sound like there's going to be huge improvements made to the game. I understand that SE's dumb higher-ups are to blame, as opposed to Tabata.
 
Gamers just gonna need to accept that games are works in progress in the AAA arena.

Unless you're a first party studio, then you have a longer leash--see Naughty Dog, Nintendo teams, etc.
 
Strakt said:
The only thing that should have shipped with the game is the Chapter 13 fix (Which is still beatable normally) and "What happened to Ravus scene" (Which isn't even a game changer).

Everything else is FREE content.
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Nah, it all should have shipped with the game, even if it means that they delay it. Based on this news, it feels like they shipped the game unfinished.
 
It was about time something like this happened in gaming. I liken it to how Kanye continually changed and "updated" his album "The Life of Pablo".

Many folks will be worked by this and yell "the original vision, it's been compromised" but it was compromised many many years ago when this game was in development hell. Sucks for those folks who jumped in day one and actually played the game to completion. Their experience will be different from folks going into it 6,12,18 months down the line.

Got it day one and haven't properly started it yet. Will wait for patch.
 
WordsintheWater said:
Why does everyone act as if they're just gonna flesh out that one scene? They are using it as an example, not saying that that's the only thing that will be fixed. It says they will update the production of the whole second half of the game, don't cherry pick one little thing and defend it when that's not what it's insinuating at all.
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I love how we have reached a place where how defensible this is comes down to how minimal the narrative improvements are.

FFXV very clearly is a flawed game, and a good amount of that is concentrated in the narrative. A huge amount of the negative feedback has revolved around that, both from people who like the game and from people who don't. The timing of this fury is strange; why wait until SE tries to fix some of the problems to broadcast your anger at getting an "incomplete" game?

I feel a lot of this comes down to an underlying sentiment that, suddenly, you don't feel comfortable about putting time into the game. But, in general, substantial post-launch support is something we desire to see from developers, no? FFXV's flaws aren't our fault, but I do think we can do a much better job between balancing our desire for post-launch support and our desire to enjoy what's immediately in front of us.

In FFXV's unique case, you may make the calculation that 1). the flaws that might potentially be improved are bad enough for you that absolutely you want to wait, or 2). you're enjoying the game or think you'll get enough from it that the experience in front of you is worthwhile enough. Both are valid. The part that feels off to me is the part where we act like adding cutscenes in response to negative feedback is some uniquely barbarous use of modern digital delivery systems.
 
Nerokis said:
I love how we have reached a place where how defensible this is comes down to how minimal the narrative improvements are.

FFXV very clearly is a flawed game, and a good amount of that is concentrated in the narrative. A huge amount of the negative feedback has revolved around that, both from people who like the game and from people who don't. The timing of this fury is strange; why wait until SE tries to fix some of the problems to broadcast your anger at getting an "incomplete" game?

I feel a lot of this comes down to an underlying sentiment that, suddenly, you don't feel comfortable about putting time into the game. But, in general, substantial post-launch support is something we desire to see from developers, no? FFXV's flaws aren't our fault, but I do think we can do a much better job between balancing our desire for post-launch support and our desire to enjoy what's immediately in front of us.

In FFXV's unique case, you may make the calculation that 1). the flaws that might potentially be improved are bad enough for you that absolutely you want to wait, or 2). you're enjoying the game or think you'll get enough from it that the experience in front of you is worthwhile enough. Both are valid. The part that feels off to me is the part where we act like adding cutscenes in response to negative feedback is some uniquely barbarous use of modern digital delivery systems.
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I'm gonna finish the game before these patches even begin to come out, but I can understand people being upset on how this was all handled. Developers knew what kind of story they were putting out, they knew it had issues, it's not like it's hard to see where the faults are. If they intended to fix these at some point I would have preferred a delay.
 
Them focusing on second part of the game probably means no Jared related cutscenes right? Man, at least that would've been hilarious to watch. In a good way.
 
At least I have a reason to do New Game + now. Game's already my GOTY, so it being able to improve further is pretty neat, because after all the story surely needs it lol

Also curious on what characters will be playable, hmm...
 
"Post-timeskip, we're told that (Iris) is now a badass demon hunter in the World of Ruin, but we never get to see her in action"

patch this in please
 
I'd rather they just move on from 15 and put all their resources towards making FF16 a great game at release that doesn't take 10 years to make.

Kind of shitty for those of us who beat the game to patch in cut storyline scenes a few months later.
 
Uhm, what? I think they've spent enough time on this game. It is what it is at this point, time to move on.

Im having a ton of fun with it at the moment. Really far from perfect but Im going to finish it as is and dive into the rest of my ridiculous backlog before the Q1 rush.
 
Darkness said:
I'd rather they just move on from 15 and put all their resources towards making FF16 a great game at release that doesn't take 10 years to make.

Kind of shitty for those of us who beat the game to patch in cut storyline scenes a few months later.
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They need find & hire a good director and move away from the open world stuff. They don't have decades of experience like Bioware, and they can't pay Polish wages like CD Projekt. There is just no way SE can release an openworld RPG as polished or substantial as W3 or Dragon Age.
 
Game is good.

Fucking move on. It has serious flaws but damn just start a new project with a clear vision and design philosophy that only takes 2-4 years of dev time. Stop wasting time pouring money into this game holy shit SE. It's been 10 years.
 
Tyaren said:
That's an awfully positive attitude you have there. D:

In all seriousness, it's not that people are angry about post release updates (well, some might) but that the game was very obviously released in an unfinished state. Like it is at this point, especially the story, it makes not much sense. A product shouldn't ever be released like this. People, including me, have a right to be at least annoyed.
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True but this is very different than releasing an unfinished product but then doing nothing. FFXV is fully playable and enjoyable from start to finish. SE is actually going to add more to the product in a hopefully timely manner and that is great.
 
I don't see the big deal. Unless we have to pay for the patches, I'm personally all for a company ya know...making their game better than what it already is/fixing on it. Especially for free. At least they are making an effort to fix what they though were shortcomings and/or whatever feedback they've been getting.

I just wanna know when all this will begin to to into effect, cause if its sooner than later then that's a huge plus for me cause I'm no where near the areas of the game folks are complaining about.

GAF complains about a game that doesn't get support/patches/fixes after it launches, and complains about a game that will GET support/fixes/patches after it launches. I say be happy and let them fix on the game. Some of y'all need to get up off the nawlmean and stop tripping.

But, GAF gone be GAF
 
decisions said:
Game is good.

Fucking move on. It has serious flaws but damn just start a new project with a clear vision and design philosophy that only takes 2-4 years of dev time. Stop wasting time pouring money into this game holy shit SE. It's been 10 years.
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The season pass has been announced and on sale for a while tho. You can't expect them to just refund all the people who already bought it and move on to something else. Going gold is no longer when development ends. There is now a set of weeks to months afterwards called going platinum.

So if they're making 6 pieces of DLC and upcoming performance patches, they may as well update other aspects of the game too for when the game goes platinum.
 
WordsintheWater said:
I'm gonna finish the game before these patches even begin to come out, but I can understand people being upset on how this was all handled. Developers knew what kind of story they were putting out, they knew it had issues, it's not like it's hard to see where the faults are. If they intended to fix these at some point I would have preferred a delay.
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That's not how this ever works, though. Look at something like Witcher 3. I'm sure developers knew the game was super rough around the edges on a technical level, had the potential for some bad bugs, etc., but still, it came out; and since then, over the course of months, it has improved dramatically. Prioritization is such that "we can't release this until it's perfect" just isn't a thing, and stuff that seems justifiable inside a development bubble becomes less so sometimes once the world has a go at it.

And I haven't dived into FFXV yet, but it's pretty clear that the scope of the narrative issues aren't merely "delay this a few months, okay?" territory. They can pepper over the problem, but what you're saying strikes me as an argument for fundamentally revamping or at least adding to a significant stretch of the game.

A game that had to come out eventually, and had to be delayed simply to reach a decent place technically.

brad-t said:
Wait? The game just came out.
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It's been out for a long enough time that the sudden burst of "ffs, guess I played an incomplete game" sentiment is certainly notable, and my point is that the potential addition of narrative improvements shouldn't be the primary spark for such sentiment.
 
Even with all the problems, it's still my Goty, but they should really move on to the next project, cause they can't fix the second part that fast.
 
I feel so torn with this game. On one hand I absolutely am in love with the gameplay but find myself completely taken out of the experience when I can see the seams and stitching on this Frankenstein of a game.

On one hand I appreciate Tabata's long view of this game but on the other hand the game should have been completely finished on release rather than giving it a window where further fixes would be put into place.

It just sucks because this game deserved much better. In the end the entire story was practically stripped out to focus mainly on the gameplay, and then in an attempt to salvage what they could decided it would be cheaper to just make a CG movie to explain the game's world.
 
Deckard Chapel said:
Are you aware that the original Final Fantasy released in 1987 and that some of the FFXV devs have worked on several other games in the series?

They have far more experience than Bioware :)
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I meant experience in making cohesive open world games. I never played XIII, but most of the old FF's were essentially linear story games mostly devoid of side content, with a world map that functioned as a way to grind EXP.

This time SE tried to make an open world RPG but failed in areas Bioware & CDPR games succeeded. This was a new type of game for SE to attempt, and it's a mixed bag.
 
MrJoobJoob said:
I meant experience in making cohesive open world games. I never played XIII, but most of the old FF's were essentially linear story games mostly devoid of side content, with a world map that functioned as a way to grind EXP.

This time SE tried to make an open world RPG but failed in areas Bioware & CDPR games succeeded. This was a new type of game for SE to attempt, and it's a mixed bag.
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I think SE did pretty decent to say this was their first attempt at an open world RPG. Sure it ain't Bioware and CDPR who has been doing this for a while...but for their first shot its a decent try.

No where else to go but up
 
Oh, I've never been a beta tester before. Good reminder not to buy some of these AAA games in the first few months. At least people who waited can later buy the "Game is ready" edition.
 
HerroRygar said:
I just wish I knew when the chapter 13 updates are coming. In 6 now, should I wait?
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Sorry if this has been answered, but I'm in the same boat. I'm really starting to enjoy the game now, but I'd hate to stop playing the main story since we have no idea when the update will be out. It can't possibly be so bad people should stop playing before chapter 13, right?
 
Kamen x Hunter said:
Oh, I've never been a beta tester before.
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You're still not.

The changes are mostly being focused on chapter 13. There's A LOT of game beyond that. They're making gameplay changes to 13 (that are needed) and adding some clearer story scenes regarding specific things. They're not revamping the entire game. A lot will remain the same.

A-One said:
OK cool, so we have an incomplete game. Cool...
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Not cool. But I'd be lying if I didn't wish people could get a grip over it and realize what's actually being done here, as far that's been announced anyway.
 
Hilarious how many people leaning hard into the "game is unfinished!!!" narrative just now.

First, the fact that the game has had a troubled development is absolutely no secret. The amount of shit that got changed, cut, and retooled over the years is extremely plentiful and you can read about it for hours on end on the internet if you so choose. But this apparently comes as a shocking revelation to people because Tabata was like "yeah we'll continue to update this"? Where have you guys been?

Second of all, there's really no such thing as a "finished" game, not in the sense that its creators are 100% satisfied with the end product and wouldn't change a thing. Every developer ever would love to make tweaks and alterations to their beloved titles for all eternity, but in reality they have to simply stop working on games and either release with post-patch, or just move on to different projects while in post-patch. The only difference here is that the team was given more time and resources to do additional polish. It's unusual because that almost never happens, but the audience reaction to this unusual move being "outrage" is pure nonsense.

The game's story is a mess and the whole thing was stitched together, but that's always been the case and always will be regardless of whether or not these updates were coming. This update really shouldn't be news to you that the game had a ton of cut stuff, so if you're outraged now (as opposed to before) then you're outraged at the fact that they'll be adding new things in for free, in which case y'all should probably become aware of how ridiculous you're sounding.
 
seat said:
Sorry if this has been answered, but I'm in the same boat. I'm really starting to enjoy the game now, but I'd hate to stop playing the main story since we have no idea when the update will be out. It can't possibly be so bad people should stop playing before chapter 13, right?
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It was for me. I'd wait.

I wish I'd have waited. I have a backlog I could've played instead.

It's not awful, but, yeah, I'd rather have waited than endure some of the latter bits.
 
You should all experience how great chapter 13 is before they patch it out tbh. Look at how happy we are and how much we enjoyed it. You should join us before Square takes it away from you.
 
Garlador said:
It was for me. I'd wait.

I wish I'd have waited. I have a backlog I could've played instead.

It's not awful, but, yeah, I'd rather have waited than endure some of the latter bits.
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Okay, thanks. Guess I could play Last Guardian then. I just hope it's not a long wait.
 
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