FFXV's future updates adjust chapters, add cutscenes, add playable characters, more

I personally do not get the absolute hatred for Chapter 13. I did not think it lasted as long as some people said. It took me about an hour maybe a bit more to go through it. I kind of liked the change of pace with it. The only thing I did not like was the lack of explanation of quite a number of things in the chapter and overall up to that point. Hopefully the supposed additions they are planning to the game help alleviate that problem.
 
So basically, me dragging my heels and being a completionist and still in Chapter 3 will only help me later with better content? Awesome. I'll take a break from FF15 and go back to Watch Dogs 2.
 
I feel like there should be a happy medium between "Thank you for adding more content to the game Tabata-san! Bless!" and "I can't believe they released this early access game."

It sucks that the game didn't get the polish it needed at launch but people are acting as if the game came out half-done when that isn't even true.

Also, I played Chapter 13 and I don't get people intense hatred. The "Bad" section of it is about an hour long and I can't say I found anything terrible about it.

It's not in any way an "early access game".

Herd mentality inspired hyperbole.
 
Chapter 13 is so good that they specifically talk about it in notes for improvement about ways to make it better.

Game is absolute garbage after chapter 9.
 
The bolded is true. Not gonna pretend the game isn't a hot mess in some places. But it's feature complete and has plenty of content for a $60-at-launch single player game. Some of the arguments here that boil down to "promised patches = OMG UNFINISHED GAME" are really not being intellectually honest and are just looking for the most cynical way to interpret this news.

The game doesn't have to be half finished to be unfinished. It seems like they left just enough unfinished that people would either rather wait or rather have waited until they are done making additions and changes. People want to play the 'finished' game once and judge it for themselves but these changes are large enough to suggest that playing it now won't give that experience. Hence 'unfinished'.
 
This game took 10 years to make. How did it still end up feeling rushed?

Also, chapter 13 doesn't sound so bad. Sounds like it's just boring? I dunno, I haven't gotten there yet but everyone seems to hate it.

It's repetitive and extremely long, but it wasn't that bad and it certainly wasn't difficult. The ring is already super powerful, I don't know how tweaking it would make that section any easier. You kill everything instantly with R1 + Triangle and just wait for your MP to recharge.

There's an easy way to fix Chapter 13: Delete half of it from the game. It's a 2 1/2 to 3 hour long chapter and it could have easily just been an hour.
 
I personally do not get the absolute hatred for Chapter 13. I did not think it lasted as long as some people said. It took me about an hour maybe a bit more to go through it. I kind of liked the change of pace with it. The only thing I did not like was the lack of explanation of quite a number of things in the chapter and overall up to that point. Hopefully the supposed additions they are planning to the game help alleviate that problem.

My main complaint is that it was really boring. It dragged and dragged and dragged.
You didn't even get a lot of fun quips until near the end when you got your bros back.
I can understand the story motivations but the overall level design was just bland.
 
This game took 10 years to make. How did it still end up feeling rushed?

Also, chapter 13 doesn't sound so bad. Sounds like it's just boring? I dunno, I haven't gotten there yet but everyone seems to hate it.

It didnt take 10 years. It was horrifically mismanaged and probably should have been cancelled rather than made into XV, unless Nomura got to stay on the project. When Tabata became co Director and Director he said he did not want to do a trilogy because it was not his thing and he did not want to be tied to one project for years and years (basically didn't want it to become a saga like versusXIII). SE management gave them 3 years or 2016 as a release date to patch together what they could and they knew they couldn't fit in everything hence the DLC episodes that expand on cut story elements (not saying they were made and cut but just the story was there)...

And now Tabata and Co are probably stuck on XV another year doing DLC and patches when Tabata wanted to bugger off and make Type 1 or a new IP, iirc.

I feel sorry for Tabata because I feel like after so long the project was doomed to fail in some way and with the added hell of games development it takes someone pretty dedicated to soldier on through it.

That's not to say that his time are absolved on blame on a story front because they could have done something more cohesive and better paced, of course, but the game is what it is.

Versus XIII was basically sabotaged by mismanagement too. The idea of a trilogy was not really the problem (done well and it could have been a great 3 games with an epic story) but it was left gestating for so long that it became a mess.
 
one of the main complaints I've heard about the game is that the story in the back half feels kinda half baked so if they can fix that up then go for it. rest of the patches sound like stuff they'd put in a hypothetical International/Final Mix release a year or two down the line (as SE's done before) but here they're just releasing them as free updates which is nicer I suppose. might've been smarter to just announce and drop the patches at once whenever they're ready instead of letting us know they're coning and making us wait though
 
My main complaint is that it was really boring. It dragged and dragged and dragged.
You didn't even get a lot of fun quips until near the end when you got your bros back.
I can understand the story motivations but the overall level design was just bland.
Yeah the level design was pretty bland, but I at least liked the atmosphere though.
 
I was already thinking of waiting for the December patch before jumping in, maybe I'll just put this on the shelf for a while. Got TLG and other stuff to catch up on anyway.
 
The game doesn't have to be half finished to be unfinished. It seems like they left just enough unfinished that people would either rather wait or rather have waited until they are done making additions and changes. People want to play the 'finished' game once and judge it for themselves but these changes are large enough to suggest that playing it now won't give that experience. Hence 'unfinished'.

Sure, being motivated to wait until they're done patching the game is certainly a route to go, but I really don't understand why people have to be ENRAGED by it. And obviously people are using "unfinished" in a pejorative sense, not just a description of the fact that they'll still patch the title for a few months.

Plenty of single-player games have come out with patch support that tweaks how the game plays. The Witcher 3 for one. And I certainly wouldn't call The Witcher 3 having launched "unfinished". Hell, older JRPGs had "International Versions" and other re-releases that changed gameplay things. I wouldn't call those games at launch "unfinished" either.
 
This reminds me of Witcher 2's Enhanced Edition where CD Projekt RED fletched out the game's third (final) chapter by adding more story cutscenes and sidequests to better explain what was going on, with longer endings.

Obviously in itself it never means a game was bad in the first place. FFXV might not be as widely acclaimed as The Witcher 2, but what Square Enix is doing is nothing that hasn't been done before. It's okay to recognize some parts of your product weren't as refined as others (i.e. Darksiders 2 final worlds that are super short) and therefore require more than tweaked difficulty or a new tutorial prompt if you want to please your fans.

I'll still finish FFXV in its current state, at least out of curiosity. Still at Chapter 3 with 20 hours of gameplay, admiring the sights. I've already made my peace with how awful storytelling is so far.

Hopefully the upcoming improvements will feel as satisfying as what CD Projekt RED did.

TL,DR: A game is not "unfinished" because major updates happen after release. If this announcement hadn't been made, people would still criticize a "finished but flawed" FFXV.
 
Sure, being motivated to wait until they're done patching the game is certainly a route to go, but I really don't understand why people have to be ENRAGED by it. And obviously people are using "unfinished" in a pejorative sense, not just a description of the fact that they'll still patch the title for a few months.

Plenty of single-player games have come out with patch support that tweaks how the game plays. The Witcher 3 for one. And I certainly wouldn't call The Witcher 3 having launched "unfinished". Hell, older JRPGs had "International Versions" and other re-releases that changed gameplay things. I wouldn't call those games at launch "unfinished" either.

This is what I was driving at with my posts. I get some people are frustrated, but some of the posts in this thread...geez.
 
Geez. I just got TLG yesterday but was gonna hold off on playing it until I finished FFXV. Only on Chapter 3 in FFXV still. Maybe I should switch that shit around now.
 
The trend of AAA full price titles that release to "retail" and actually are still early access products continues. These changes are crazy for a released game.
 
I'm down for all of this stuff especially because it is free. I think people that people are acting like they put out of piece of shit and are trying to fix it when in actuality this happens ALL THE TIME with GOTY editions or updates.
 
Sure, being motivated to wait until they're done patching the game is certainly a route to go, but I really don't understand why people have to be ENRAGED by it. And obviously people are using "unfinished" in a pejorative sense, not just a description of the fact that they'll still patch the title for a few months.

Plenty of single-player games have come out with patch support that tweaks how the game plays. The Witcher 3 for one. And I certainly wouldn't call The Witcher 3 having launched "unfinished". Hell, older JRPGs had "International Versions" and other re-releases that changed gameplay things. I wouldn't call those games at launch "unfinished" either.

I don't think anyone is enraged. I'm frustrated I put money and time into it when I would've rather waited for it to be complete and it would've been cheaper. I wouldn't say I'm ENRAGED.

None of those titles changed story content. Not to mentioned plenty of people complained about the Witcher 3 at release I don't know why people keep using that example. That game had many compaint threads on release.

It's clear story content is the line. People expect bug fixes and UI changes but story content is something I would've rather waited for. Had this come out last week I wouldn't have bought the game. So yeah, I find it frustrating
 
The best part about all this:

A: Hardly anyone outside of GAF will know or care at all about this.

B: It'll be quickly forgotten after we all move on to the next big outrage.
 
I don't think anyone is enraged. I'm frustrated I put money and time into it when I would've rather waited for it to be complete and it would've been cheaper. I wouldn't say I'm ENRAGED. None of the titles changed story content. It's clear story content is the line. People expect bug fixes and UI changes but story content is something I would've rather waited for. Had this come out last week I wouldn't have bought the game. So yeah, I find it frustrating

Use whichever word you want, but a negative reaction to this news is baffling.

The story content changes are going to be extremely minor. Some of the plot details were either glossed over or explained poorly, and they're going to make some changes to make them better. If that's enough to make you frustrated with your purchase I don't know what to tell you.

How did you react when older JRPGs got new editions and re-releases that had additional endings and that kind of thing? Were you frustrated then too?
 
Sure, being motivated to wait until they're done patching the game is certainly a route to go, but I really don't understand why people have to be ENRAGED by it. And obviously people are using "unfinished" in a pejorative sense, not just a description of the fact that they'll still patch the title for a few months.

Plenty of single-player games have come out with patch support that tweaks how the game plays. The Witcher 3 for one. And I certainly wouldn't call The Witcher 3 having launched "unfinished". Hell, older JRPGs had "International Versions" and other re-releases that changed gameplay things. I wouldn't call those games at launch "unfinished" either.

Considering FFXV has crashed on me three separate times, the story has obvious giant gaping holes, and it readily lacks the polish of many prior titles, I'd say the game feels "unfinished" to me.

I never had that feeling with The Witcher 3. It improved an already great formula, but even if it never received those improvements, it'd still be one of the best games ever released. Final Fantasy X and XII and other "international" versions were already satisfying and polished and felt fully realized upon release, so additional content literally felt like going back for desserts, not just getting the rest of your main course.

FFXV, thus far to me, feels incomplete. Like it launched with more work yet to be done, more polish needed bring it up to standards, more testing to minimize the jank and glitches and crashes I've experienced. Unlike Witcher 3 or any other Final Fantasy game I've ever played (which is all of them), FFXV truly does feel undercooked and not quite ready for prime time. It feels like it needs more development... and that's precisely what's happening, post-launch.
Jeez, this game will never go away. It's out and it's still not done yet. This shit is unprecedented.
That's sort of my biggest concern.

Prior Final Fantasy games came out and we took them or we left them. If we didn't like FFVIII, well FFIX was a year later, and then FFX came out a year after that. We got the games, warts and all, and we played them, made our opinions, and simply moved on to the next original game. We didn't spent a whole year patching FFVIII's Draw System and prolonged GF summon animations or redoing Laguna's story sections over and over. We took what we got, flaws and all, and then happily looked forward to the next thing.

I want to look forward to FFXVI, not a year of FFXV patches and DLC.
 
God damn you are all some jaded motherfuckers. I feel like if I keep hanging out at this place, I'm going to end up killing myself.

Peace.
 
Use whichever word you want, but a negative reaction to this news is baffling.

The story content changes are going to be extremely minor. Some of the plot details were either glossed over or explained poorly, and they're going to make some changes to make them better. If that's enough to make you frustrated with your purchase I don't know what to tell you.

How did you react when older JRPGs got new editions and re-releases that had additional endings and that kind of thing? Were you frustrated then too?

Years down the line? It never bothered me. A week from release? That's completely different, why bother playing it at release at all then? The changes are major enough that they feel the need to spend money making them and get back in the voice actors for every language to record new scenes. That sounds like enough to make me wish I'd just waited for them to 'finish' before I played it.
 
I want them to patch the Versus plot back in. Starting with the attack on Insomnia.

Any other tweaking is just that, minor tweaks on a mediocre story.
 
Actually you can read stories on all the gaming news sites and the reactions there if you like.

What he/she means more precisely is that, outside of Internet gamers and the hardcore niche, the average gamer won't even notice this.

Which is true. We are an extremely vocal minority. We're also incredibly prone to herd mentality and hyperbole. It makes it seem like any trending gaf opinion is what most people think, but it couldn't be forget from the truth.
 
This to me feels like the current gen version of International/Final Mix.

Square used to release updated versions of their games with new cutscenes, game balancing, and enemies. They were usually Japan exclusive and would be a full-priced release.

Like a Final Mix version I'm confident the cutscenes and changes here will be minor and won't be anything huge. They won't be this magic bandaid to fix the game for those who have issues with it. It will be a better game with their inclusion, but I don't think this is going to be THAT big of a deal.
 
I'm on chapter 5 and this news is making me want to hold off until the patch comes out. Its pretty shitty by Square tbh. The game needed more time in the oven.
 
This to me feels like the current gen version of International/Final Mix.

Square used to release updated versions of their games with new cutscenes, game balancing, and enemies. They were usually Japan exclusive and would be a full-priced release.

Like a Final Mix version I'm confident the cutscenes and changes here will be minor and won't be anything huge. They won't be this magic bandaid to fix the game for those who have issues with it. It will be a better game with their inclusion, but I don't think this is going to be THAT big of a deal.
Well, I think as I said, unlike those games, FFXV actually feels undercooked and incomplete. Like it was prematurely delivered and not all its expected features or necessary polish have been added yet.

I never got that feeling with any other Final Fantasy game. They may have had problems, but they felt finished. We just took the good with the bad. FFXV actively has enough rough edges throughout to give me pause, a few crashes that sucked me out of the experience, missing story elements throughout, among other issues.
 
So is this game actually finished or what.

lol iknowright?

I was so hyped to buy this on day 1 which I've done for just about every FF, but flaked out at the last minute, not because of reviews, because I decided to play Elder Scrolls Online, and well for another smaller reason.

.... I figured "shit, I'll just buy the GOTY or something in the Summer, and it'll be all patched up, and I'll know which DLC to buy if not all of it"...


so kinda different from what I quoted on you, but my point was "i'll buy it later when it's finished, and bonus! I'll get it for 30-40 bucks as a reward for being patient"
 
What he/she means more precisely is that, outside of Internet gamers and the hardcore niche, the average gamer won't even notice this.

Which is true. We are an extremely vocal minority. We're also incredibly prone to herd mentality and hyperbole. It makes it seem like any trending gaf opinion is what most people think, but it couldn't be forget from the truth.

You're welcome to check any news site you like, or Twitter, or Reddit, or whatever. The reaction is certainly mixed anywhere you look, it's not just NeoGAF.
 
This is what I was driving at with my posts. I get some people are frustrated, but some of the posts in this thread...geez.

Some people just wanted to have an epic game and we didnt get it at the end. I am disappointed that I wasted my money now after coming to the conclusion that I played a good MMORPG without.MMO. I didnt even realize the fetch quests at first because the gameplay is awesome, but now i am disappointed.
 
Can they fix the Titan fight too? It's still terrible, and insanely rushed and abrupt.


And can they fix Noct finding things out through a newspaper, and the transition from Ch 4 to 5?

lol
 
This is awesome! More playable characters was one of the things I wanted most. Plus, with a New Game + mode, I don't mind playing it now and then replaying after the patches.

This game has really made me do a 180 on SE and FF. Sure it's not perfect, but they genuinely seem to care about FF again, and Tabata's support plan seems really solid.
 
Can they fix the Titan fight too? It's still terrible, and insanely rushed and abrupt.


And can they fix Noct finding things out through a newspaper, and the transition from Ch 4 to 5?

lol

People have pointed out the newspaper thing before, but I fail to see why it's such big deal. Keep in mind I'm only in ch. 2, but I don't think it was too out of the realm of possibility considering how the story began.
 
Considering FFXV has crashed on me three separate times, the story has obvious giant gaping holes, and it readily lacks the polish of many prior titles, I'd say the game feels "unfinished" to me.

I never had that feeling with The Witcher 3. It improved an already great formula, but even if it never received those improvements, it'd still be one of the best games ever released. Final Fantasy X and XII and other "international" versions were already satisfying and polished and felt fully realized upon release, so additional content literally felt like going back for desserts, not just getting the rest of your main course.

FFXV, thus far to me, feels incomplete. Like it launched with more work yet to be done, more polish needed bring it up to standards, more testing to minimize the jank and glitches and crashes I've experienced. Unlike Witcher 3 or any other Final Fantasy game I've ever played (which is all of them), FFXV truly does feel undercooked and not quite ready for prime time. It feels like it needs more development... and that's precisely what's happening, post-launch.

Eh, Witcher 3 is my personal GOTY but I think we'd both be lying if we said that it doesn't have its fair share of jank, glitches, framerate problems, and unpolished shit all around, especially what it had at launch. Combine that with the constant updates to get rid of that and make gameplay changes as well, I think you could very well make an argument that the Witcher 3 "launched unfinished" if we're using the same cynical logic.

I can't speak for FFXV's polish in relation to other FF games, but there's the obvious factor in the game being set in an open-world structure. Having played a good chunk of them, FFXV is not any more or less polished than most. It's certainly far, far more intricate in what it does than FFXIII (which I unfortunately played).

In terms of the story? Yeah, the story's a hot mess. Not making any excuses for it. But while I'm sure you're only bringing it up in terms of a contributing factor to the game feeling unfinished, I'm certain you don't think that alone is a reason for the game to be considered one. Not to mention the game's troubled history that resulted in the plot being a mess. And I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the story will continue to be a hot mess even after all these patches and updates, this game's story is what it is.

If you want unfinished, see something like KOTOR II. That's a game that REALLY launched unfinished. FFXV is just a mess of a story and your standard open-world jank, but "unfinished" is a stretch, and "early access" like some here are saying is just laughable.

Years down the line? It never bothered me. A week from release? That's completely different, why bother playing it at release at all then? The changes are major enough that they feel the need to spend money making them and get back in the voice actors for every language to record new scenes. That sounds like enough to make me wish I'd just waited for them to 'finish' before I played it.

I'm playing it at release and will continue to do so, this news is just letting me know that I have a reason to replay it some months down the line when they've stopped patching the game. Really don't see where I'm supposed to be frustrated at this.

SE just gave them additional resources to keep working on the game. And knowing how spliced together the final product was, these are welcome changes that are coming over the course of several months for free.

I understand the desire to play a GOTY version with all the updates and trimmings. I've certainly waited on plenty of games for that reason. But it'd be silly of me to expect "all updates and trimmings" on any game (single or multiplayer) at launch. I would've been surprised if they had never patched the game. That they're revealing the patches are substantial is a positive for me, not a negative.
 
I don't think I'm going to wait for the patch. I've set aside this month to play/beat FFXV. Q1 has so many huge games that the last thing I'll want to do is go back to XV.
 
There's really hot much they need to do to "fix" this game:

1. Add some exposition at the start to explain the world, the history of the royal line, the world, etc... and add a little to various cutscene la to pad out the story.

2. Give Jared, Luna, Ardyn, more context/backstory so they feel like fully realised characters.

3. Shorten c13 by half.

4. Fix the camera for combat including making trees translucent.

5. Add a mobile phone menu for Noct where you can pick up/hand in side quests.

They could add better tutorials for combat and a gambit system for your team mates, even a simple one with options like "take potion at X health" "when party leader draws magic, move behind him", etc...

It really wouldn't take a lot to iron out this game's main issues, which makes these "early access" comments even more absurd.

I'm on chapter 5 and this news is making me want to hold off until the patch comes out. Its pretty shitty by Square tbh. The game needed more time in the oven.

Yeh, it's really shitty that they're going to bother fixing this stuff based on fan feedback. Terrible behaviour!
 
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