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[RatskyWatsky]

Hulu Acquires Streaming Rights To Louis C.K.’s ‘Horace and Pete’

All 10 episodes are available starting today!

 

[berzeli]

Simon Fuller is adapting the Norwegian show 'Skam' for the US. The delivery format for the show isn't my kind of thing, but it'll be interesting to see if it catches on:

- NY Times: Will ‘Skam,’ a Norwegian Hit, Translate?

Oh, hey an opportunity for me to talk about Skam and redeem myself for being incredibly snarky about it whilst talking to Ratsky for the fall TV thread

The delivery method is genius, that short description does not come close to do it justice, not only are the short clips uploaded at the same time they're supposed to take place at. There is also text logs and instagram pics (oh and btw those are real instagram accounts for the characters in the show)
They apparently are also limiting the amount of interviews the actors do, as to make the "illusion" more complete. It's damn impressive stuff and I feel bad for being so dismissive about it before.
I have no idea if the US remake will do the same things, but if it doesn't I don't see why they are remaking this particular show. Then again, we did get the Skins remake for no good reason too.

I haven't checked it out because #pea-, okay, it's not peak TV's fault, I'm catching up with The Good Wife. All 156 damn episodes of the thing. It's really great though.

 

[dLMN8R]

Hulu Acquires Streaming Rights To Louis C.K.’s ‘Horace and Pete’

All 10 episodes are available starting today!

Woo! Still on my month free trial from black Friday. Will definitely check this out, been meaning to watch since it released.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

Good Girls Revolt creator going off on Amazon studios following their cancelation:

- THR: 'Good Girls Revolt' Creator Slams Amazon Over Cancellation: "They Run Some People Out"

I thought this quote was really interesting:

"We were all so surprised because we were a hit," creator Dana Calvo tells THR, citing two metrics that Amazon execs told her they cared about: a high Rotten Tomatoes score and the ability to spur purchases on Amazon's retail arm: "Of the people driven from the entertainment sections to the commerce section, we were driving 55 percent, which was phenomenal."

It had honestly never occurred to me that Amazon would want their shows to drive people into the commerce section of their site. It makes sense though. I wouldn't be surprised if there was, subliminally, more product placement in an Amazon show, compared to shows on other networks, for that very reason.

Like, they could even push it to the max by getting the costume designers across all of their shows to dress their actors in clothing that is available for purchase in the clothing section of Amazon, so if a viewer sees an outfit they like on, say, Transparent, they can immediately buy that same outfit as soon as the episode ends.

Using their shows to sell products would be clever, but also sort of nefarious.

I hope it's true.

Also,

While Amazon has had awards success with its dramedies Transparent and Mozart in the Jungle, this isn't its first clash with a writer-producer. David Shore (House) exited the Bryan Cranston-produced drama Sneaky Pete, and showrunner Frank Spotnitz stepped down from The Man in the High Castle after its first season. "The Amazon corporate culture that everyone knows is a tough one, and it's not a great place for creatives," adds Calvo. "They run some people out."

sounds like Amazon is going through the same type of growing pains that AMC went through years ago. Hopefully Matthew Weiner won't have to face an uphill climb a second time...

 

[morningbus]

Stump Alert: Craig Ferguson and The Jim Henson Company Producing ‘Top Puppet’ Reality Special at NBC

 

[Ricker]

Long may she reign.

Not too many CBS shows left once Reign is done. Glad to hear that they're at least being given the chance to wrap things up properly.

Yes,I like this show...at least it got 4 long seasons.

 

[Dan]

It had honestly never occurred to me that Amazon would want their shows to drive people into the commerce section of their site. It makes sense though. I wouldn't be surprised if there was, subliminally, more product placement in an Amazon show, compared to shows on other networks, for that very reason.

Like, they could even push it to the max by getting the costume designers across all of their shows to dress their actors in clothing that is available for purchase in the clothing section of Amazon, so if a viewer sees an outfit they like on, say, Transparent, they can immediately buy that same outfit as soon as the episode ends.

Using their shows to sell products would be clever, but also sort of nefarious.

I hope it's true.

They were pretty upfront about this when they got into TV. Adapting a long-running book series like Bosch wasn't a coincidence.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

They were pretty upfront about this when they got into TV. Adapting a long-running book series like Bosch wasn't a coincidence.

Were they? I must have missed that. Also, I thought the Bosch thing was more about the books being popular on Amazon so they figured that the show would be as well, and not necessarily that the show would push people into buying the books. (although I guess it stands to reason that if the former is true then the latter will be as well)

 

[Linkura]

That was the finale.

Oh dear.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

Deadline on Cinemax going back to their roots: (well, not to their Skinemax roots, but what came shortly after that)

- Cinemax Returns To Action, Pulpy Series & Co-Prods In New Programming Strategy

going forward, most of Cinemax’s original drama series will be lower-cost co-productions in the action/thriller genre

Additionally, Cinemax is in preliminary conversations about importing international action and martial arts shows and could consider half-hour comedies if they are cost-effective and on-brand.

I'm seeing a lot of "cost-effective", "low cost", "budget", and "at a price" in that piece. Makes me think that both The Knick and Quarry are dead and that Outcast's days are numbered (they're crafting season 2 of Outcast to be more on brand by making it more "adrenalized", but I imagine if viewership is flat or down then it'll be a goner as well).

(Also, this new programming initiative doesn't seem like it will go into effect until 2018, so maybe Quarry will eek out one more season to fill the gaps that Cinemax will have next year.)

I get that these shows are too expensive - the ratings/viewership just isn't there for Cinemax to justify the higher budgets - but it will be such a waste if they don't move The Knick and Quarry over to HBO (if they really are dead at Cinemax). They're both better than any of HBO's current dramas and I think they'd both do well there.

“Ideally, we’d love to be doing four shows a year at least to begin with, and I would imagine that, at least initially, three of those would be co-productions or very cost-effective and one will be the kind of a marquee show with a Banshee-level of budget for the year, a homegrown project that we can tailor to what we think our audience wants and enjoys.”

At least 4 shows a year is great news and a huge improvement over where they are right now. They've been floundering for quite some time, so it's good that they're trying to infuse some life into their programming slate with more international co-productions and imports. It's what I've said they should be doing all along!

Only producing one home grown series at a time is definitely disappointing, but maybe that will at least allow them to keep the quality of that one show consistent throughout its entire run. Unlike some of their other series *coughBansheecough* (Also, I imagine if their "one" original does well enough that they would have no problem doing another.)

 

[Ithil]

I was Orson Welles once you know.

 

[Dan]

Were they? I must have missed that. Also, I thought the Bosch thing was more about the books being popular on Amazon so they figured that the show would be as well, and not necessarily that the show would push people into buying the books. (although I guess it stands to reason that if the former is true then the latter will be as well)

It's a pain to search for old Amazon news, but here's a recent story about efforts to bridge their shows and the shopping sections:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...s-to-sell-you-things-you-see-in-its-tv-shows/

And analysts were immediately saying the Amazon's plunge into original content was ultimately about driving product sales:

The retailer may well be using expensive original content to lure more people to its Prime membership service, so they’ll be more likely to purchase products like cameras, books and K-Cups.

“Content is king,” Brian Solis, principal analyst at Altimeter Group and the author of “What’s the Future of Business,” said in an email. “In an increasingly distributed consumption economy, Amazon is betting that content creates a bridge between Amazon, its products and services, and customers.”

According to a report from Morningstar, the investment research firm, Prime members shop more frequently than non-members, spend twice as much annually and tend to buy more expensive products.

I swear there's been some explicit discussion from Amazon execs about the potential synergies with past shows.

 

[Bluth54]

Apparently Emmy Rossum is demanding that she gets equal pay as William H Macy gets on Shameless if the snow gets renewed for an 8th season, who always got paid more and is getting a big raise that puts him "in the upper echelon of cable dramas"

She deserves it, Emmy Rossum is very much the heart of the show.

 

[kevin1025]

Apparently Emmy Rossum is demanding that she gets equal pay as William H Macy gets on Shameless if the snow gets renewed for an 8th season, who always got paid more and is getting a big raise that "in the upper echelon of cable dramas"

She deserves it, Emmy Rossum is very much the heart of the show.

She does deserve it! She is the star of the show to me, both in character and in performance!

 

[iceblade997]

Deadline on Cinemax going back to their roots: (well, not to their Skinemax roots, but what came shortly after that)

- Cinemax Returns To Action, Pulpy Series & Co-Prods In New Programming Strategy

It seems like the network is *still* trying to find its niche, and it seemed like with Banshee they'd hit their stride. Hopefully it can turn out better than I'm expecting, and as RatskyWatsky says, 4 shows a year would be better than what they have now and perhaps grant them a bit more consistency to their weekly lineup (in terms of "I can expect a new episode of a show more-often-than-not"). Wonder what this means for the two superhero shows they were thinking about though... (The Boys and Scarlet). Definitely rooting for Cinemax though.

As someone who absolutely LOVED Banshee, is Strike Back worth the watch, or?

 

[TheOddOne]

Deadline on Cinemax going back to their roots: (well, not to their Skinemax roots, but what came shortly after that)

Saddest thing I've read all day.

 

[Sober]

Saddest thing I've read all day.

Someone likes plot in their softcore pornos

 

[TheOddOne]

Someone likes plot in their softcore pornos

The greatest narrative pool for inspiration.

 

[dead souls]

She does deserve it! She is the star of the show to me, both in character and in performance!

Exactly. There is simply no show without Fiona. She's due some Emmy awards too.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

It's a pain to search for old Amazon news, but here's a recent story about efforts to bridge their shows and the shopping sections:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...s-to-sell-you-things-you-see-in-its-tv-shows/

And analysts were immediately saying the Amazon's plunge into original content was ultimately about driving product sales:


I swear there's been some explicit discussion from Amazon execs about the potential synergies with past shows.

Interesting, thanks for the info~

As someone who absolutely LOVED Banshee, is Strike Back worth the watch, or?

Absolutely! Be sure to watch the first season with Richard Armitage and Andrew Lincoln labeled 'Strike Back Origins'!

 

[Grizzlyjin]

Apparently Emmy Rossum is demanding that she gets equal pay as William H Macy gets on Shameless if the snow gets renewed for an 8th season, who always got paid more and is getting a big raise that puts him "in the upper echelon of cable dramas"

She deserves it, Emmy Rossum is very much the heart of the show.

She definitely deserves it. She's a crucial part of the show.

That story about Good Girls Revolt is fascinating.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

Apparently Emmy Rossum is demanding that she gets equal pay as William H Macy gets on Shameless if the snow gets renewed for an 8th season, who always got paid more and is getting a big raise that puts him "in the upper echelon of cable dramas"

She deserves it, Emmy Rossum is very much the heart of the show.

For decades, TV studios have successfully used the parity rule when negotiating deals with actors on successful, long-running series, giving all cast members in the same tier “most favored nations” terms that ensure financial parity among them and peace on the set.

Shameless star Emmy Rossum is now trying to break that rule, not accepting a salary equal to that of her male lead William H. Macy, who has signed on the dotted line for an eighth season. The offer had been on the table but Rossum reportedly has been holding out for a salary higher than Macy’s. Warner Bros. TV, which produces Shameless, is a studio that historically has followed the parity rule to a tee, with such series as Friends and The Big Bang Theory. Creating a precedent on Shameless appears unlikely because that would open the door for similar demands on a host of other successful series. (The new Big Bang Theory contract negotiations are just around the corner).

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[MHWilliams]

One can't talk of TV parity deals and then note that Macy has been paid more than his co-stars for every season so far.

Deadline:

The offer had been on the table but Rossum reportedly has been holding out for a salary higher than Macy’s. Warner Bros. TV, which produces Shameless, is a studio that historically has followed the parity rule to a tee, with such series as Friends and The Big Bang Theory.

THR:

Rossum, 30, who stars as the young Gallagher family matriarch Fiona on the hit series, not only is seeking salary parity with co-star William H. Macy, multiple sources tell The Hollywood Reporter she is taking the position she should be paid more per-episode than Macy makes after years of earning much less than her Emmy-nominated co-star.

This is season 8. She's trying to get in on that back pay for carrying the show and being paid less for it.

That said, understand Showtime's reticence to relent.

 

[kevin1025]

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That's a slightly dangerous game. According to the Hollywood Reporter article, if she doesn't sign they'll either cancel or move on without her. But the show is, as far as I'm concerned, centered around her. Equal pay is cool, but demanding more, Showtime might not play with that, especially if it's for possibly only one more season. Their programming is getting pretty full, too, even with Penny Dreadful, Roadies and Masters of Sex gone. I think she does likely deserve more, since her performance puts in the work tenfold, but I'm curious about where it will lead. This will be interesting to watch.

 

[Decado]

Deadline on Cinemax going back to their roots: (well, not to their Skinemax roots, but what came shortly after that)

- Cinemax Returns To Action, Pulpy Series & Co-Prods In New Programming Strategy

Concerned no mention of a Quarry renewal. It was far better than Outcast, imo.

 

[Joni]

http://tvline.com/2016/12/09/joseph-mascolo-dead-died-days-of-our-lives-stefano-dimera/
Soap world has lost a huge actor. Joseph Mascolo, Stefano Dimera from days of our lives is dead. G going to miss him.

 

[Dan]

Deadline on Cinemax going back to their roots: (well, not to their Skinemax roots, but what came shortly after that)

- Cinemax Returns To Action, Pulpy Series & Co-Prods In New Programming Strategy

“Critics loved the show, and I can’t tell you how many studio executives around town have told me it’s their favorite show on television, but it did not find an audience at the level that Banshee did. Even though in terms of an HBO show, The Knick is a modestly priced show, in terms of a Cinemax show, it started to throw our budget out of whack.”

Yeah, I'd say The Knick is dead. Time to look forward to Mosaic and Lucky Logan for the next Soderbergh directing vehicles.

I need to remember to binge Quarry... and then perhaps cancel my subscription :/

 

[dead souls]

I always liked The Knick more in theory than in actuality so I won't miss it. Quarry was decent, but it seems like it was probably way too expensive for the extremely minimal amount of buzz it got so I will totally understand if Cinemax kills it.

 

[tearsintherain]

With Black Sails going off air and Hell on Wheels done I hope Showtime and/or Cinemax pursue shows in the vein of Deadwood, Hell on Wheels, Black Sails, Rome, etc. AMC and network TV seem to be pursuing the same contemporary drama pieces that all the pay networks are too, be nice to see more historical period pieces return with big budgets. I'm really, really looking forward to Taboo with Tom Hardy, but its on FX.

I can't believe Shameless is up to 8 seasons, i watched bits of season 1 and never really got into it but thats gotta be the majority of the younger casts lives. Feel sympathy for Rossum but since a pay cable show doesn't care about syndication, and its not like a show thats EIGHT seasons deep is going to really attract tons of new viewers, its hard to see how its not just simpler to cancel a show like that than set a really bad precedent for future negotiations.

 

[Decado]

With Black Sails going off air and Hell on Wheels done I hope Showtime and/or Cinemax pursue shows in the vein of Deadwood, Hell on Wheels, Black Sails, Rome, etc. AMC and network TV seem to be pursuing the same contemporary drama pieces that all the pay networks are too, be nice to see more historical period pieces return with big budgets. I'm really, really looking forward to Taboo with Tom Hardy, but its on FX.

Agree. I always prioritize historical/fantasy and sci-fi. We definitely have some very good ones, though.

I wouldn't expect it from those channels, though. Cinemax is going back to their lower budget action/thriller roots, and Showtime loves their melodrama. They also seem through with historical settings for the time being.

 

[AngmarsKing701]

With Black Sails going off air and Hell on Wheels done I hope Showtime and/or Cinemax pursue shows in the vein of Deadwood, Hell on Wheels, Black Sails, Rome, etc. AMC and network TV seem to be pursuing the same contemporary drama pieces that all the pay networks are too, be nice to see more historical period pieces return with big budgets. I'm really, really looking forward to Taboo with Tom Hardy, but its on FX.

I can't believe Shameless is up to 8 seasons, i watched bits of season 1 and never really got into it but thats gotta be the majority of the younger casts lives. Feel sympathy for Rossum but since a pay cable show doesn't care about syndication, and its not like a show thats EIGHT seasons deep is going to really attract tons of new viewers, its hard to see how its not just simpler to cancel a show like that than set a really bad precedent for future negotiations.

Rossum does carry that show, and I understand where she's coming from re: wanting to be paid higher than Macy. She has become the centerpiece over the past few seasons. That being said, if the show winds up being canceled because of this, then there's quite a few people out of work over it.

While Rossum and Macy will get work elsewhere as they both have solid careers, the rest of the cast may struggle a bit in finding other roles. Not to mention all the production crew as well.

It's a tough call. Hopefully they can work something out. I've watched all the eps so far and it's quite a ride, but I can honestly say if they canceled it I'd be ok with that. It's not "must watch TV" for me, but it is entertaining.

 

[Fuzzy]

http://tvline.com/2016/12/09/joseph-mascolo-dead-died-days-of-our-lives-stefano-dimera/
Soap world has lost a huge actor. Joseph Mascolo, Stefano Dimera from days of our lives is dead. G going to miss him.

He was a fucking boss when I watched Days 25 years ago.

 

[Penguin]

Crazy Ex finds some new low levels

 

[RatskyWatsky]

With Black Sails going off air and Hell on Wheels done I hope Showtime and/or Cinemax pursue shows in the vein of Deadwood, Hell on Wheels, Black Sails, Rome, etc. AMC and network TV seem to be pursuing the same contemporary drama pieces that all the pay networks are too, be nice to see more historical period pieces return with big budgets. I'm really, really looking forward to Taboo with Tom Hardy, but its on FX.

AMC has a new western coming up called The Son, which I think looks pretty good. It's set in both 1849 and 1909 and stars Pierce Brosnan. Here's a collection of the teasers they've released so far

They've also got The Terror set for next fall, which is a horror/thriller (anthology) series set on board an Arctic expedition ship in the mid-1800s.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Honestly I could watch Shark Tank every single night of the week.
But Friday is the perfect night for Hawaii Five-O.

 

[Linkura]

Exorcist has a 3 week break for no reason and the ratings went down?! NO WAY

 

[kevin1025]

AMC has a new western coming up called The Son, which I think looks pretty good. It's set in both 1849 and 1909 and stars Pierce Brosnan. Here's a collection of the teasers they've released so far

They've also got The Terror set for next fall, which is a horror/thriller (anthology) series set on board an Arctic expedition ship in the mid-1800s.

The Terror has Jarred Harris, Ciaran Hinds and Tobias Menzies. That alone has me excited!

 

[abundant]

Exorcist has a 3 week break for no reason and the ratings went down?! NO WAY

Not defending Fox, but there was a reason for that break. Week 1 was due to it being the day after Thanksgiving and Week 2 was due to a Championship Game which will always bring in a higher rating than the Exorcist.

Just like with Scream Queens, the breaks were because of bad timing.

 

[Linkura]

Not defending Fox, but there was a reason for that break. Week 1 was due to it being the day after Thanksgiving and Week 2 was due to a Championship Game which will always bring in a higher rating than the Exorcist.

Just like with Scream Queens, the breaks were because of bad timing.

Thanks, I knew SQ was because of baseball at least. Still, Fox really needs to time this shit better.

 

[Stumpokapow]

Deadline on Cinemax going back to their roots: (well, not to their Skinemax roots, but what came shortly after that)

- Cinemax Returns To Action, Pulpy Series & Co-Prods In New Programming Strategy

I haven't been on Deadline for a while and frankly the design is absolutely ugly. Does anyone younger than 90 read it anymore? They've got a skin ad, a hero header ad, then a regular header ad below the header, then a bunch of random trending stories, then the byline box is big and filled with share stuff, then a BREAKING NEWS alert for something that's neither breaking nor news, then under that they have a huge vertical ad, then a link to some random content, then a link to some more random content, then a bunch of random stories, then a bunch more random stories, then an ad, then job listings, then another ad. Now we move onto the body, which has a superfluous header image, a superfluous side tag floater, three lines of text, a superfluous box link to another category of story, then a regular article with way too many side-floated images including a transition where they switch from right-floating to left-floating, then another set of share links, then ugly taboola ads for fake news and toenail fungus garbage, then another wide banner ad, then the mostly abandoned comment section, then yet another ad. Then, below the two columns, they have what's ostensibly a network footer but actually just a collection of stories on another network, then an actual network footer. This is repulsive looking. Also, when you scroll, the article's title follows you, but it only takes up the middle 3rd of your screen, so the title gets abbreviated and is pretty much completely useless at actually telling you what the article is.

Edit: This is something closer to what the page would look like if you removed the superfluous garbage (minus the sticky header which is an error in the screenshot):
http://i.imgur.com/iwTzBfM.jpg

This is where you say "yeah but if they didn't fill their whole site with garbage, they wouldn't be able to afford all the staff they pay and the operational cost of the site" Okay, and?

Can you imagine being paid to write for this site and then you're asked by someone at a party what you do for a living, so you tell them, and then they actually go to your site to see your work, and it looks like this? How embarrassing.

 

[berzeli]

The Terror has Jarred Harris, Ciaran Hinds and Tobias Menzies. That alone has me excited!

It also produced one of my favourite coincidences when the ship in question was found four days after the show was announced. That coincidence spawned a pretty great quote:

“We congratulate the Arctic Research Foundation on finding the Terror 168 years later,” AMC President of Original Programming Joel Stillerman told Deadline. “Apparently they’ve never heard of a spoiler alert.”

 

[RatskyWatsky]

The Terror has Jarred Harris, Ciaran Hinds and Tobias Menzies. That alone has me excited!

Yep, the cast is quite good.

Can you imagine being paid to write for this site and then you're asked by someone at a party what you do for a living, so you tell them, and then they actually go to your site to see your work, and it looks like this? How embarrassing.

is that what it's like for you when you tell people you're a mod on gaf

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

Crazy Ex finds some new low levels

I'm really missing Black Jesus, I thought it would be back by now.

 

[Stumpokapow]

is that what it's like for you when you tell people you're a mod on gaf

I don't.

 

[AngmarsKing701]

AMC has a new western coming up called The Son, which I think looks pretty good. It's set in both 1849 and 1909 and stars Pierce Brosnan. Here's a collection of the teasers they've released so far

They've also got The Terror set for next fall, which is a horror/thriller (anthology) series set on board an Arctic expedition ship in the mid-1800s.

The Terror is clearly based on Dan Simmons's novel of the same name. Thought it was pretty mediocre.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

I don't.

The Terror is clearly based on Dan Simmons's novel of the same name. Thought it was pretty mediocre.

Maybe the show will be better!

 

[iceblade997]

Interesting, thanks for the info~



Absolutely! Be sure to watch the first season with Richard Armitage and Andrew Lincoln labeled 'Strike Back Origins'!

Thanks! Will give it a shot and see how it goes...

 

[streetsahead123]

Do you guys think the CW is going to renew CEG? I'm not sure what they expected when they renewed the lowest-rated show on network television and moved it to Fridays but I doubt they expected the ratings to go up. Still, these ratings are pretty low and we have no idea how well the show does on Netflix and the CW app. Does it slip through based solely on critical acclaim and awards potential?

 

[DominoKid]

is Quantico going to get cancelled?

i wasn't happy about the 2nd season looking like a retread of the 1st season so i quit after the S2E1. but if it's going to get a 3rd season i'll at least throw it on as background noise

 

[Dedication Through Light]

is Quantico going to get cancelled?

i wasn't happy about the 2nd season looking like a retread of the 1st season so i quit after the S2E1. but if it's going to get a 3rd season i'll at least throw it on as background noise

I think it wont get a shortened season when it returns jan 23. But an s3 may be out of the question unless there are no other good series in abcs pipeline. Should have made it a weekday show IMO.