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[firehawk12]

you know what would be better than this? just putting their content on the service everyone already subscribes to that has a pile of british dramas, which is how you guys even figured out that there was a demand for british television in the first place?

Plus, I mean, Acorn TV is already a thing. They're already got deals in place to air a lot of obscure British TV shows but I guess BBC and ITV wanted a bigger piece of the pie.

I mean, this is it basically. And I assume they already know a lot of Americans "steal" from iPlayer, so this presumably means they are finding a Netflix-style solution to proxies and are want to try to monetize their product.

It probably doesn't help that the BBC is always under constant pressure from people who would be happy if it was completely destroyed. lol

 

[dead souls]

The finale for Blunt Talk on Starz only got 77K L+SD viewers. That, coupled with the show's non existent buzz and conclusive nature of the finale itself leads me to believe that it's going to be cancelled.

Yeah, I've been assuming it's a dead show airing the whole season. Premium cable channels will give almost anything a second season but getting a third season is much tougher.

 

[xrnzaaas]

TV Land has cancelled 'Impastor' after 2 seasons.

Damn, that sucks. I still have to watch the second season, but I really liked the first one. Reminded me a lot of Hart of Dixie but in a dark comedy way.

 

[Volimar]

- ‘Salem’ To End After 3 Seasons On WGN America

Salem was damn ambitious for a network like WGN. I give them props for making it in the first place.

 

[AngmarsKing701]

Salem was damn ambitious for a network like WGN. I give them props for making it in the first place.

I kinda liked S1 but my wife and I bailed on it shortly into S2.

 

[Sober]

Shameless had basically been renewed cause Emmy Rossum is getting at least paid as much as Macy. 😊

 

[AngmarsKing701]

Shameless had basically been renewed cause Emmy Rossum is getting at least paid as much as Macy. 😊

Excellent. Well-deserved for her; she is really the dramatic core of that show these days. Macy is sort of comic/crazy relief.

 

[cartographer]

So New Girl, at least int he first season, is literally just an entire sitcom based on the adventures of a manic pixy dreamgirl? lol

Eventually Schmidt gets a bigger presence, CeCe becomes a character, Winston stops being completely in the background and Nick becomes manic pixie dreamguy. The show has a lot of ups and downs, but yeah, the early focus on Jess is just not fun.

Megan Fox's run on the show inexplicably being amazing sort of proves how important Jess is (not at all).

 

[Gamer @ Heart]

Eventually Schmidt gets a bigger presence, CeCe becomes a character, Winston stops being completely in the background and Nick becomes manic pixie dreamguy. The show has a lot of ups and downs, but yeah, the early focus on Jess is just not fun.

Megan Fox's run on the show inexplicably being amazing sort of proves how important Jess is (not at all).

The actor who plays winston has such amazing delivery and reactions that iive almost every moment he is on screen.

He made a joke on a podcast once about how he can't get anything other than a C storyline and it's sadly true.

 

[kevin1025]

Shameless had basically been renewed cause Emmy Rossum is getting at least paid as much as Macy. ��

Good stuff! Emmy's tweet says "back to work in May", so I guess they're premiering in January again? Which means over a year between seasons! Which also means... two seasons of Homeland in 2017 possibly? What will be in September?! So many questions!

 

[firehawk12]

Eventually Schmidt gets a bigger presence, CeCe becomes a character, Winston stops being completely in the background and Nick becomes manic pixie dreamguy. The show has a lot of ups and downs, but yeah, the early focus on Jess is just not fun.

Megan Fox's run on the show inexplicably being amazing sort of proves how important Jess is (not at all).

I still don't know if I like Schmidt. It's like they're trying to make this completely unlikable, horrible character likable by giving him some human moments that lie beneath his innate douchebaggery, but it just feels like it's trying to hard. Every time I see the actor in that fat suit, I cringe a little because it feels like it's a show that's too afraid to actually have a fat person in it.

Of course, there's the other general sitcom problem where all of the rotating girl/boyfriends that Nick and Jess hook up with are white, but I can chalk that up to American TV being conservative in general rather than any malicious intent.
(Asian Jess was a fun addition, even if she was only in 2 scenes lol)

 

[AngmarsKing701]

I still don't know if I like Schmidt. It's like they're trying to make this completely unlikable, horrible character likable by giving him some human moments that lie beneath his innate douchebaggery, but it just feels like it's trying to hard. Every time I see the actor in that fat suit, I cringe a little because it feels like it's a show that's too afraid to actually have a fat person in it.

Of course, there's the other general sitcom problem where all of the rotating girl/boyfriends that Nick and Jess hook up with are white, but I can chalk that up to American TV being conservative in general rather than any malicious intent.
(Asian Jess was a fun addition, even if she was only in 2 scenes lol)

Nah Schmidt is a pure d-bag, but I thought he was hilarious in S2.

 

[firehawk12]

Nah Schmidt is a pure d-bag, but I thought he was hilarious in S2.

The way they characterize him makes it seem like he's at least self-aware of his behaviour if nothing else. And while he's a douchebag, for no reason he'll just buy Nick a cookie because he's "nice" and then you get an episode where everyone takes him for granted and everyone goes "awww" at the end. lol

 

[RatskyWatsky]

Final prediction of the year!

Star - 2.4

 

[AngmarsKing701]

The way they characterize him makes it seem like he's at least self-aware of his behaviour if nothing else. And while he's a douchebag, for no reason he'll just buy Nick a cookie because he's "nice" and then you get an episode where everyone takes him for granted and everyone goes "awww" at the end. lol

Right. Schmidt's the best

Spoiler

dbag

.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

you know what would be better than this? just putting their content on the service everyone already subscribes to that has a pile of british dramas, which is how you guys even figured out that there was a demand for british television in the first place?

Also a lot of this stuff is on ACORN TV already, so unless there's a very specific thing you want that you can't get there I don't understand the point.

 

[G0523]

Final prediction of the year!

Star - 2.4

That's...optimistic. I'm gonna go with 1.7.

EDIT: Changed to 2.2.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

That's...optimistic. I'm gonna go with 1.7.

It's a new music based drama from Lee Daniels and has Empire as it's lead in!

 

[G0523]

It's a new music based drama from Lee Daniels and has Empire as its lead in!

Oh. Well shit, I'll change it then. That's what I get for not looking beforehand.

Star: 2.2

 

[Mortimer Brewster]

Yeah, I've been assuming it's a dead show airing the whole season. Premium cable channels will give almost anything a second season but getting a third season is much tougher.

Hopefully Starz got some more stuff lined up. Black Sails is running its final season next month so they really only have AvTED and Outlander now.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

Hopefully Starz got some more stuff lined up. Black Sails is running its final season next month so they really only have AvTED and Outlander now.

They've got:

Power (their highest rated show), which has been renewed for 2 more seasons.

Survivor's Remorse, which is their highest rated half hour.

American Gods comin

The Missing season 2

The Girlfriend Experience season 2

The White Princess

Counterpart

 

[Jason Frost]

What happened to the TV show about a tech billionaire buying a (probably corrupt?) police station after the death of his wife (or maybe it was his friend?) because the police did not really help him after the murder?

 

[Grizzlyjin]

What happened to the TV show about a tech billionaire buying a (probably corrupt?) police station after the death of his wife (or maybe it was his friend?) because the police did not really help him after the murder?

APB. It's still coming, premieres in February.

 

[CrichtonKicks]

- ‘Salem’ To End After 3 Seasons On WGN America

I thought Salem's ratings were pretty decent by WGN standards? Did I just imagine that?

 

[vinnygambini]

DirecTV and U-Verse subscribers can say goodbye to NBCUniversal and Hearst Magazine’s Esquire Network. AT&T’s satellite and wired TV services, which had 25.3 million subscribers as of September, plan to drop the channel tonight.

http://deadline.com/2016/12/esquire-network-dropped-att-directv-uverse-1201871038/

 

[Sweeney Tom]

- ‘Salem’ To End After 3 Seasons On WGN America

Really underrated show. Was surprising to see WGN do something that good

 

[Grizzlyjin]

http://deadline.com/2016/12/esquire-network-dropped-att-directv-uverse-1201871038/

Bless your heart, G4. I do wonder how networks like Esquire even still exist, especially when they're going after... millennials? I'm actually not even sure what Esquire was trying to be.

 

[morningbus]

http://deadline.com/2016/12/esquire-network-dropped-att-directv-uverse-1201871038/

Oh no, how will I watch

 

[vinnygambini]

Consolidation in the media is happening as programming expenses increases, cable operators are looking to cut costs. We'll see a bunch of channels either be shut down (Pivot) or simply taken off their platform completely (Esquire).

Looking at A&E Networks, it's got it's work cut out from them looking at some their lesser channels: FYI, Lifetime Movie Network, Military History, Crime & Investigation.

Even NBCUniversal with Sprout, Cloo, Chiller, Oxygen.

Viacom too to a certain extent their endless MTV & BET spin-offs: MTV2, MTV Classic, MTV Live, MTV Tres, BET Gospel, BET Hip-Hop, BET Jams & BET Soul.

 

[dead souls]

Really underrated show. Was surprising to see WGN do something that good

Surprising? Manhattan was on WGN and it was completely amazing.

 

[Vengrim]

Consolidation in the media is happening as programming expenses increases, cable operators are looking to cut costs. We'll see a bunch of channels either be shut down (Pivot) or simply taken off their platform completely (Esquire).

Looking at A&E Networks, it's got it's work cut out from them looking at some their lesser channels: FYI, Lifetime Movie Network, Military History, Crime & Investigation.

Even NBCUniversal with Sprout, Cloo, Chiller, Oxygen.

Viacom too to a certain extent their endless MTV & BET spin-offs: MTV2, MTV Classic, MTV Live, MTV Tres, BET Gospel, BET Hip-Hop, BET Jams & BET Soul.

Part of the deal with those lesser channels is that they are a package deal. It's pretty much the only to build any kind of viewership. Plus the channels are probably dirt cheap.

 

[vinnygambini]

Part of the deal with those lesser channels is that they are a package deal. It's pretty much the only to build any kind of viewership. Plus the channels are probably dirt cheap.

I understand the package deal concept - hence why ESPN is in every bundle given the parent company. The channels are indeed dirt cheap but when you add let's say the cost given the below image for Style (previous name before rebrand to Esquire), it adds up:

$.14 a month per subscriber (should be higher today given it's 2009 data) and let's say you are DISH and you have 13 million television subscribers - that's almost $22 million a year for a network almost no one watches.

Then you add other similar networks, shit is expensive. There are clauses that protect the bigger networks, but the smaller ones. Good luck.

 

[mm04]

Surprising? Manhattan was on WGN and it was completely amazing.

Yeah, it was a bummer it got canceled. Never got any closure on the spy arc. Oh well.

 

[Vengrim]

I see your point but just for accuracy, your math is off by a decimal point. $2.2 million (or $1,820,000 to be precise.)

 

[RatskyWatsky]

I thought Salem's ratings were pretty decent by WGN standards? Did I just imagine that?

It was doing well for them, but the ratings have been steadily declining and their newer shows are getting much better ratings.

http://deadline.com/2016/12/esquire-network-dropped-att-directv-uverse-1201871038/

oh

 

[Dedication Through Light]

Consolidation in the media is happening as programming expenses increases, cable operators are looking to cut costs. We'll see a bunch of channels either be shut down (Pivot) or simply taken off their platform completely (Esquire).

Looking at A&E Networks, it's got it's work cut out from them looking at some their lesser channels: FYI, Lifetime Movie Network, Military History, Crime & Investigation.

Even NBCUniversal with Sprout, Cloo, Chiller, Oxygen.

Viacom too to a certain extent their endless MTV & BET spin-offs: MTV2, MTV Classic, MTV Live, MTV Tres, BET Gospel, BET Hip-Hop, BET Jams & BET Soul.

Where else would Lifetime show its movies?

I dont think getting rid genre specific musics channels is a good idea.

 

[Stumpokapow]

wow pacific heat is somehow worse than it looked in trailers

 

[vypek]

wow pacific heat is somehow worse than it looked in trailers

Oh boy. I'm tempted to see how awful it is now or of curiosity.

 

[EdReedFan20]

I don't know how it's doing in ratings (I am enjoying it, though), but with what ABC is doing to Designated Survivor, they should be the last to question "what happened?" if the audience numbers plummet and the show is a one and done. Tonight the show had its Fall Finale, on December 14th. It won't come back until some time in March, three months later (depending when in March). I remember a similar break is what ruined the momentum Revolution had during the first half of that season. It limped on to a cancellation (after a, rather surprising season 2 renewal). I could see this happening with a show that's been around and has a massive fanbase, but for a freshman show, that is quite a gamble. So many of the other ABC shows, I've heard January (or in some cases, February), but not March. If this was a one season only show (which is something I would love to see more of, but that's a whole different can of worms), I think that would make it easier to swallow.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

20th Century Fox is trying another How I Met Your Mother spin off (How I Met Your Dad surprisingly failed to snag a series order a few years ago, if you'll remember). This time they're calling it How I Met Your Father, "an ensemble show that tells the story from a female point of view. It is a brand new take on the premise with new characters and new writers."

So.

 

[Stumpokapow]

Oh boy. I'm tempted to see how awful it is now or of curiosity.

It's like people watched Archer, copied the bad art, made it worse, kept the spy premise, made it Australian, and removed all the humour, snappy dialogue, and loveable characters. I have no idea why this happened. According to Metacritic it is the worst reviewing show of the year.

 

[kevin1025]

20th Century Fox is trying another How I Met Your Mother spin off (How I Met Your Dad surprisingly failed to snag a series order a few years ago, if you'll remember). This time they're calling it How I Met Your Father, "an ensemble show that tells the story from a female point of view. It is a brand new take on the premise with new characters and new writers."

So.

No Greta Gerwig, no sale!

 

[Bluth54]

Shameless had basically been renewed cause Emmy Rossum is getting at least paid as much as Macy. 😊

Glad to hear they worked it out.

 

[vypek]

20th Century Fox is trying another How I Met Your Mother spin off (How I Met Your Dad surprisingly failed to snag a series order a few years ago, if you'll remember). This time they're calling it How I Met Your Father, "an ensemble show that tells the story from a female point of view. It is a brand new take on the premise with new characters and new writers."

So.

What made it fail to get a series order? Something with the casting right? I'm so bitter about the series that I probably wouldn't be tuning into it anyways

It's like people watched Archer, copied the bad art, made it worse, kept the spy premise, made it Australian, and removed all the humour, snappy dialogue, and loveable characters. I have no idea why this happened. According to Metacritic it is the worst reviewing show of the year.

The why has to be to try and capitalize on Archers success I suppose. But this sounds so worried how you described it. Based off your assessment and the metacritic info I might just skip out on this travesty

 

[Joni]

They had an excellent chance to do How I Met Your Dad when they had a semi-spin-off episode in Mother with the Mother and her friends.

What made it fail to get a series order? Something with the casting right? I'm so bitter about the series that I probably wouldn't be tuning into it anyways

Pilot was terrible, but I assume it was just common sense that nobody would watch the show after Mother.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

The 2016 TV Show of the Year Voting Thread is live!

gogogogo

 

[morningbus]

The 2016 TV Show of the Year Voting Thread is live!

gogogogo

Voting C-dubs all the way down the line.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

The 2016 TV Show of the Year Voting Thread is live!

gogogogo

Boom posted with my rambling thoughts. All written from my bathtub. Welcome to the future.

I bet Westworld wins. Either that or Game of Thrones.

 

[Pluto]

What made it fail to get a series order? Something with the casting right? I'm so bitter about the series that I probably wouldn't be tuning into it anyways

Apparently the pilot wasn't very good, CBS was willing to rework it like they did with The Big Bang Theory. The creators refused and CBS then decided they can suck it, presumably because the reaction to the HIMYM finale killed most of the audiences interest in the project anyway, no way CBS was going to fight for a spin off at that point.

I'm still mad about HIMYM, the hack writers made me dislike the entire series, I can't even rewatch the good seasons anymore without thinking about how much I HATED the finale.

 

[firehawk12]

Nah Schmidt is a pure d-bag, but I thought he was hilarious in S2.

I can see why people hate Season 3. lol
Also, I guess Nick lost a lot of weight at some point, since I just rewatched the B99 episode and he looks completely different.

Bless your heart, G4. I do wonder how networks like Esquire even still exist, especially when they're going after... millennials? I'm actually not even sure what Esquire was trying to be.

They had that Bourdain spinoff travel show that I thought was okay.