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[Danthrax]

Well now that a slightly bigger profile show on Netflix has been canceled they are no longer super special money pits you can beg into to keep shows alive long past their due.

I feel like you're directing this squarely at Agents of SHIELD fans.

 

[Joni]

Well now that a slightly bigger profile show on Netflix has been canceled they are no longer super special money pits you can beg into to keep shows alive long past their due.

Time for Yahoo to shine again!

 

[Sober]

I feel like you're directly this squarely at Agents of SHIELD fans.

Or was it about Firefly?

Or Community?

 

[Kabouter]

Marco Polo is one of those shows that has been sitting in my queue since it premiered. How long has it been, 2 years ago? I just remember all the chatter about the first season being insanely expensive to produce and then Netflix swooped in and got it. Guess it wasn't generating enough interest to justify the cost.

You know what the thing is about the show. It's beautifully shot and all that, and the acting isn't terrible. However, it's also just boring, poorly written and just in general...had too much of the 'Ooooh, look at these mysterious, mystical, strange and interesting Asians' perspective that Europeans had in the 13th century, but that feels a bit weirder when present in a show in the 21st, even if it is loosely based on the works of a 13th century person.

Netflix has cancelled 'Marco Polo' after 2 seasons.

EDIT: Is this the first Netflix series to end as an incomplete story? I know that having 'completed' series was purportedly a major part of their model, so it's strange to see them not give the show a wrap up special at least.

Probably tells you how unpopular it was, well, that, and how expensive it was on top of that.

 

[firehawk12]

Didn't they even do a spinoff for that show? What happened?

 

[TheOddOne]

Or Community?

I heard Yahoo is spending big bucks on content.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

Probably tells you how unpopular it was, well, that, and how expensive it was on top of that.

But still, for them to leave one of their own originals without a proper ending...that goes against what everyone's been saying these last few years. I feel like this marks a major sea change for Netflix.

Didn't they even do a spinoff for that show? What happened?

Marco Polo? That was a one off Christmas special type thing.

 

[Sober]

But still, for them to leave one of their own originals without a proper ending...that goes against what everyone's been saying these last few years. I feel like this marks a major sea change for Netflix.

Maybe for the better, creatively. Means creators can't just meander because they actually can be at the threat of actual and sudden cancellation. Maybe.

Sucks for the commercial side though. I would imagine this means any 'bubble' might not burst but it's probably signalling for deflation. People might move back to cable (or network) instead of taking their chances? Maybe it just means less streaming services are gonna try to grab onto the pie. Less shows being made do mean less jobs.

I remember reading on THR or something where Netflix was putting in a lot of money into the industry through their originals. Wonder if people will still realistically shop to those places or we'll start seeing more miniseries pop up instead of attempts to make long running series.

 

[Pachimari]

I thought Marco Polo was very popular with all the buzz after Season 1, and it getting it's own little Netflix movie. I guess it dropped hard with S2 though? Now I don't even want to get started on it, I had season one in my queue and had already watched the pilot.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

I thought Marco Polo was very popular with all the buzz after Season 1, and it getting it's own little Netflix movie. I guess it dropped hard with S2 though? Now I don't even want to get started on it, I had season one in my queue and had already watched the pilot.

No, there was hardly much buzz after Netflix actually released S1.
Not to mention S2 was like 1 year 8 months later and Netflix really didn't push S2 much at all.

 

[eternalcircle]

I feel like the same thing is going to happen with Sense8. From my understanding, Sense8 isn't that popular and it's extremely expensive to produce because they're filming in so many different locations at once. I think they cut down on that this season, but it still must be a bit expensive.

It took longer than usual to get a renewal, they're doing a Christmas special and they're airing season 2 pretty far after season 1 came out. I feel like it'll be another show that gets cancelled after season 2.

 

[Joni]

It is the bubble bursting. They don't have endless money either.

 

[El Topo]

It is the bubble bursting. They don't have endless money either.

The Get Down is next. They'll put out Part 2 and that's it.

 

[WaffleTaco]

It is the bubble bursting. They don't have endless money either.

Really? Because it seems as if they have been releasing so many shows in the past few months.

 

[Rhaknar]

time to put that money on what people want, and thats more Marvel shows baby.

Moon Knight lets gooooooo

Spoiler

deal with it stump

 

[Joni]

Really? Because it seems as if they have been releasing so many shows in the past few months.

They have a shitton, just not an endless shitton.

 

[Cornballer]

The Marco Polo S2 thread has 200 posts and the thread about the cancellation has ~250 posts.

 

[Fladam]

Cancelling Marco Polo makes me want to see their internal viewership numbers even more.

I'm also curious how valuable the licensed library is to folks nowadays. Anyone out there willing to pay $5/month for Netflix-Only shows yet?

 

[Zaph]

I'm also curious how valuable the licensed library is to folks nowadays. Anyone out there willing to pay $5/month for Netflix-Only shows yet?

Been in that boat for a while, and I imagine a lot of other non-US subs are too, as the library has never been great for us and browsing it is a chore.

 

[Linkura]

Cancelling Marco Polo makes me want to see their internal viewership numbers even more.

I'm also curious how valuable the licensed library is to folks nowadays. Anyone out there willing to pay $5/month for Netflix-Only shows yet?

I'd do that for when they release new seasons of OITNB and Stranger Things. As it is I've only subscribed for one month out of the year for years, whenever OINTB's new season is released. Thankfully Stranger Things came out in that one month period as well.

 

[Danthrax]

Or was it about Firefly?

Or Community?

Community only needs a movie to fulfill The Prophecy, so people should be begging Sony Pictures and shit, not Netflix.

Firefly, uh, got a comic book



[edit] WTF no one posted sales numbers. Well OK then

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/the-sked-monday-ratings-12-12-2016.html

Scorpion and Timeless are looking rough. Fuck the greatest commercials special for getting more viewers than Crazy Ex-Girlfriend.

 

[vypek]

Aw, I've actually been enjoying Scorpion

 

[Stumpokapow]

The colour gradation scheme that ShowBuzzDaily uses is nonsense and totally unconnected to cancellation/renewal decisions. Shows aren't competing against every show on network TV but only on the same night--they're competing against every show on their network, regardless of night. People give TVBTN grief for shoddy methodology, inflexibility, hot takes, and needling fans, but they are basically right that the competitive environment you're interested in is how you fare versus the rest of your network's lineup, given that every network cancels some programming to make room for new stuff in development and no network is going to cancel everything simultaneously at this point.

 

[jrush64]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgu6QHPkRuM

 

[Danthrax]

The colour gradation scheme that ShowBuzzDaily uses is nonsense and totally unconnected to cancellation/renewal decisions. Shows aren't competing against every show on network TV but only on the same night--they're competing against every show on their network, regardless of night. People give TVBTN grief for shoddy methodology, inflexibility, hot takes, and needling fans, but they are basically right that the competitive environment you're interested in is how you fare versus the rest of your network's lineup, given that every network cancels some programming to make room for new stuff in development and no network is going to cancel everything simultaneously at this point.

I did this for you

 

[OdysseusVA]

I can still see the colors

 

[spindoctor]

The colour gradation scheme that ShowBuzzDaily uses is nonsense and totally unconnected to cancellation/renewal decisions. Shows aren't competing against every show on network TV but only on the same night--they're competing against every show on their network, regardless of night. People give TVBTN grief for shoddy methodology, inflexibility, hot takes, and needling fans, but they are basically right that the competitive environment you're interested in is how you fare versus the rest of your network's lineup, given that every network cancels some programming to make room for new stuff in development and no network is going to cancel everything simultaneously at this point.

I don't think the colour coding is meant to be any sort of serious indicator towards likely cancellation or renewal. They mention on the page that the colours just indicate whether a show was above, around or below the average for the demo on the day. We all know that renewal decisions depend on a whole lot more than just pure numbers these days.

 

[firehawk12]

So New Girl, at least int he first season, is literally just an entire sitcom based on the adventures of a manic pixy dreamgirl? lol

 

[AngmarsKing701]

So New Girl, at least int he first season, is literally just an entire sitcom based on the adventures of a manic pixy dreamgirl? lol

Pretty much. S2 becomes "Schmidt Happens" and it is god-tier. S3 hits a wall when certain relationships either are smashed together or torn apart. I bailed but apparently many of the missteps have been corrected so I'm gonna dive back in.

 

[firehawk12]

Pretty much. S2 becomes "Schmidt Happens" and it is god-tier. S3 hits a wall when certain relationships either are smashed together or torn apart. I bailed but apparently many of the missteps have been corrected so I'm gonna dive back in.

I assume they smash Nick and Jess together based on the 10 episodes I've seen. And I seem to remember from the B99 crossover that douchebag guy hooks up with her friend?

 

[AngmarsKing701]

I assume they smash Nick and Jess together based on the 10 episodes I've seen. And I seem to remember from the B99 crossover that douchebag guy hooks up with her friend?

Yes, but Nick and Jess together is terrible and unfunny and practically rekt the entire show.

 

[Cornballer]

- ‘People Of Earth’ & ‘Search Party’ Renewed For Season 2 By TBS

TBS has given 10-episode second-season pickups to recent entries People of Earth and Search Party, wrapping 2016, in which the network renewed all new comedy series it introduced, Angie Tribeca, The Detour, Wrecked and late-night standout Full Frontal with Samantha Bee, as well as veterans Conan and American Dad!

TBS has been experimenting with multi-platform series launches. As part of that, the serialized, young-skewing Search Party started off with a binge release of the entire first season over Thanksgiving week, which has drawn more than 1.1M viewers per episode across all platforms over five days and growing. While that is not huge, the network stresses the show’s strong appeal to millennials, with 18% of its audience in the adults 18-34 demo. On VOD, the dark comedy about a group of 20-something New Yorkers, which also has been very well reviewed, was the fastest TBS original to reach 1M views and delivered the youngest, most diverse audience of any TBS original. Another binge of the entire first season is scheduled to premiere during the week between Christmas and New Year’s.

Since premiering Halloween night, the supernaturally tinged People of Earth has ranked one of the year’s Top 10 new cable comedies among adults 18-49, currently reaching 4.3 million viewers per episode across all platforms. The series has continued to grow throughout the season, with episode seven hitting a season high up 28 percent vs. the season average. People of Earth, from Conan O’Brien and Greg Daniels, along with creator David Jenkins stars an ensemble cast led by Wyatt Cenac as a reporter investigating a support group for alien abductees.

 

[Freeza Under The Shower]

aw yeah, more deers on my head road! Wait is that weird?

People of Earth is quite charming in what it does. Good to see it renewed.

 

[sparky2112]

Scorpion and Timeless are looking rough. Fuck the greatest commercials special for getting more viewers than Crazy Ex-Girlfriend.

Timeless has never done better or worse than a 1.2, so I don't get it? Just that that's 'on the fence' territory?

 

[Grizzlyjin]

Shouldn't have read the ratings for Monday. Now I have 'Grandma Got Run Over By a Reindeer' stuck in my head.

 

[Cornballer]

- ‘Salem’ To End After 3 Seasons On WGN America

The current third season of WGN America’s supernatural drama Salem will be its last. The network has opted not to order a fourth season of the series, which reimagines the infamous 17th century witch trials in a world where witches are real, but they are not who or what they seem to be. Salem‘s storyline will wrap with the conclusion of the 10-episode third season in early 2017 as the season finale will serve as series finale. That is something Salem creators Brannon Braga and Adam Simon are prepared for.

 

[TheOddOne]

I did this for you

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[DrEvil]

- ‘Salem’ To End After 3 Seasons On WGN America

2016-17 TV Season Cancellations: WGN's Witch trial comes to a fiery end.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

- ‘Salem’ To End After 3 Seasons On WGN America

Manhattan and Salem gone in the same year. Those two were WGN's first original programs, if I'm not mistaken. Wonder how long their other shows will survive.

Salem was weird and trashy but still pretty entertaining. I've only seen a handful of Season 1 episodes, but those had me howling at the tv. Frog breast milk, a witch sniffing girl that walks like a dog. I give them props for always just going for it.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

The finale for Blunt Talk on Starz only got 77K L+SD viewers. That, coupled with the show's non existent buzz and conclusive nature of the finale itself leads me to believe that it's going to be cancelled.

 

[Joel Was Right]

Netflix has cancelled 'Marco Polo' after 2 seasons.

EDIT: Is this the first Netflix series to end as an incomplete story? I know that having 'completed' series was purportedly a major part of their model, so it's strange to see them not give the show a wrap up special at least.

Bullshit

 

[RatskyWatsky]

BBC, ITV & AMC Team To Launch U.S. SVOD Service ‘BritBox’

BritBox will offer up a comprehensive collection of British content including dramas that have since been unavailable in the U.S. such as New Blood, from novelist Anthony Horowitz, Tutankhamun, The Moonstone and In The Dark from Ordinary Lies writer Danny Brocklehurst. Season premieres of Cold Feet and Silent Witness will also stream on the service alongside popular Brit soaps such as Eastenders, Emmerdale and Holby City, which will be available 24 hours after their UK broadcast.

ITV and BBC classics such as Brideshead Revisted, Pride and Prejudice, Inspector Morse, Keeping Up Appearances and Fawlty Towers will also feature on the service.

It will be available online as well as iOS, Android, Roku, Apple TV and Chromecast platforms. Pricing will be available at launch and there is ambition to roll out to international markets.

 

[Stumpokapow]

BBC, ITV & AMC Team To Launch U.S. SVOD Service ‘BritBox’

you know what would be better than this? just putting their content on the service everyone already subscribes to that has a pile of british dramas, which is how you guys even figured out that there was a demand for british television in the first place?

 

[Stumpokapow]

The finale for Blunt Talk on Starz only got 77K L+SD viewers. That, coupled with the show's non existent buzz and conclusive nature of the finale itself leads me to believe that it's going to be cancelled.

As someone that quite liked the first season as a transgressive and literate show with a strong emotional core and an opportunity to see Patrick Stewart chew the scenery, I think it's a little off the rails at this point. It's a little too self-indulgent; probably therapeutic for the writers, but it really has totally lost any sense of grounding in the premise. It's just a bunch of perverts in a newsroom. It feels very aimless. I'm a few episodes behind and don't plan on catching up for a while.

The ratings have never been good, but if you plot them across the series the trendline is steadily down. It lost three quarters of its premiere audience through the first season and around a third of what's left through the second season, with the finale being the lowest rated episode. And it's on Starz, whose business model is practically "everything gets two but then it's canned".

 

[Grizzlyjin]

BBC, ITV & AMC Team To Launch U.S. SVOD Service ‘BritBox’

I watch a lot of British television and even I'm completely uninterested. The demand is there in an "Oh, I've never heard of this series before" kinda way. Not a "Let me plop down money on a monthly basis" kinda way.

 

[Dedication Through Light]

Another service to pay for? The post cable world is quickly becoming pricier than the cable world.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

TV Land has cancelled 'Impastor' after 2 seasons.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

Maybe for the better, creatively. Means creators can't just meander because they actually can be at the threat of actual and sudden cancellation. Maybe.

The tradeoff isn't worth it imo.

Manhattan and Salem gone in the same year. Those two were WGN's first original programs, if I'm not mistaken. Wonder how long their other shows will survive.

The Deadline article notes that the ratings have plummeted over the course of the series:

Salem was a breakout, drawing 1.5 million viewers for its premiere to become WGNA’s highest rated telecast in more seven years at a time when the network only covered 62% of the country and was a single-feed channel. That debut Live+same day viewership is yet to be matched by a WGNA scripted series.

After the big start, Salem‘s ratings tapered off pretty quickly. In its current third season, the series has averaged between 200,000 and 300,000 viewers in L+SD.

Underground and Outsiders have much higher ratings averages than Salem or Manhattan ever did, so I think they're quite safe.

 

[vypek]

TV Land has cancelled 'Impastor' after 2 seasons.

Didn't watch this but I saw the end of the last episode and it ended on a cliffhanger. Hate when that happens. Too bad for them

 

[RatskyWatsky]

you know what would be better than this? just putting their content on the service everyone already subscribes to that has a pile of british dramas, which is how you guys even figured out that there was a demand for british television in the first place?

I watch a lot of British television and even I'm completely uninterested. The demand is there in an "Oh, I've never heard of this series before" kinda way. Not a "Let me plop down money on a monthly basis" kinda way.

Plus, I mean, Acorn TV is already a thing. They're already got deals in place to air a lot of obscure British TV shows but I guess BBC and ITV wanted a bigger piece of the pie.