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It's downright stupid we aren't even getting a full Tegra X1.

Exactly. Few are being delusional. Most just thought it would at least take full advantage of the X1 chip when docked and at least match or exceed the Nvidia Shield that came out in 2015.

 

[KooopaKid]

According to this, it's that.

Cool. That was my minimum requirement.

 

[Toadthemushroom]

Adding the Vita, with a 5" screen (960 × 544 resolution / 220 ppi), GPU around 50 GFlops @ 400 MHz, 28 @ 200.

So the Switch has 1.77 more pixels to feed, with just 3-5 times more GPU power than the FIVE YEAR OLD Vita.

Vita's about 30 GFlops and the GPU isn't very modern by today's PowerVR standards (2013's iPhone 5s delivered a generational leap in terms of architecture and a tangible leap in performance).

Vita's CPU is also four old ARM v7 cores clocked at between 333-800Mhz depending on who you ask.

 

[TwilightPrincess]

This isn't even a particularly powerful handheld. A Vita successor would probably be smaller, more powerful and not need a bloody fan.

So a Vita successor would do magic? Look at how lowclocked the vita was. It has to be stable, not like the smarphones with their "peak performance" which doesn't say anything when you are playing demanding games.

 

[SinCityAssassin]

Skyrim, I expect it too look worse than the ps3 version now...

I mean, that's even impossible by our pissbaby standards but hey, you be you.

 

[ekim]

Question is: will I be able to have full clock speeds when I have the switch at the charger but playing in handheld mode?

 

[Barry Burton]

I mean... how on earth can it even run Skyrim Remastered?

Not that this would ever stop Bethesda...

 

[asagami_]

I have been wondering what Nintendos plan is for years.
With the Wii, they lost 3rd party business and the WiiU was obviously not equipped to regain it.
Sony and Microsoft have a huge head start with PSN and XBL, they have gamers and communities connected to their eco systems, gamers won't switch(no pun intended) system lightly.
I think Nintendo has actually given up on becoming a 3rd viable platform for 3rd parties again. Its basically impossible for them to compete with Sony and MS at this point.
I think they made the right choice to not try to compete and rather go for affordable hardware. They don't need to get into the teraflop race.

However, I think that focussing on their own Games won't be enough. The WiiU showed that Nintendo games alone pull in 10 maybe 15 mil people, I don't think thats enough for Nintendo.

Will be interesting to see if they have something up their sleeves.

If some hypothetical machine would have the Nintendo 1st party titles from both the 3DS and Wii U would be a amazing console. The Switch is aiming to this.

 

[Peltz]

Switch is more powerful in non-docked mode than the Wii-U?

This is an important question. Could anyone comment?

BOTW frame rate on Jimmy Fallon (even in handheld mode) would suggest that the answer is yes.

 

[Faiz]

Why do people still get disappointed by Nintendo specs? This would be like the 8th time.

Just never have high hopes for them in that department.

The hyperbole does you no favors.

 

[lensoftruth]

This is an important question. Could anyone comment?

BOTW frame rate on Jimmy Fallon (even in handheld mode) would suggest that the answer is yes.

Yes

 

[Sora the Cat]

Wth is wrong with you guys? Wii u performance while portable is amazing, who was expecting more than that? Really?

 

[guybrushfreeman]

With those clocks, something much higher than 3 hours should be doable.

I agree but really for a portable to me 5 hours is absolute minimum, pushing 8 would be better. Seeing how thin it is doesn't leave me optimistic, powering that screen won't be easy. Most tablets struggle to do 2-3 hours playing games, I'm not really seeing how this can be super different. Maybe 4-5 hours?

 

[bomblord1]

Pixel C would be a better comparison. Same chip set, down clocked for portability.

I'm comparing it to the devices the person I responded to was saying are more powerful than the Shield TV

 

[Kareha]

I hope this means Nvidia will make a Pascal based tablet as I wouldnt mind an upgrade from my SHIELD Tablet.

 

[MacTag]

This isn't even a particularly powerful handheld. A Vita successor would probably be smaller, more powerful and not need a bloody fan.

This is still a generational leap over Vita.

 

[James Scott]

Super Mario Switch does not look like a leap compared to SM3DW.

He can do a long jump. That's a pretty big leap

 

[Peltz]

Question is: will I be able to have full clock speeds when I have the switch at the charger but playing in handheld mode?

Likely not if the dock helps with cooling.

 

[ironcreed]

Even the old Wii U could pull off some magic, so I'm sure the games will look fine. I just worry about third party support... again. But give it a great price and I will still pick one up for the Nintendo games.

 

[DragonSworne]

Who is the guy obsessed with low power draw at Nintendo?

This is bordering on fetish territory now.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

Exactly. Few are being delusional. Most just thought it would at least take full advantage of the X1 chip when docked and at least match or exceed the Nvidia Shield that came out in 2015.

Indeed, I'm only buying this thing if I can get it for less than $200 now

 

[TwilightPrincess]

Exactly. Few are being delusional. Most just thought it would at least take full advantage of the X1 chip when docked and at least match or exceed the Nvidia Shield that came out in 2015.

X1 needs 20 watts in the shield tv while gaming, i think that's too much for the formfactor of Switch. And Switch will get prettier games anyway, it's not a android device.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

And that answers which part of my multi-paragraph post how exactly?

Read again.

That the Wii U version may run as well as the switch version currently. Is not a proof that the Switch is way more pwerful than Wii U on handheld mode. It has much newer architecture, but we don't know what actual difference it could make. But it will fit with EG rumors.

 

[Chindogg]

I don't understand what down clocking means lol

No one really does in this thread. They just see numbers and make assumptions.

We really won't know anything until January but that won't stop anyone from going bonkers.

 

[KingSnake]

OutrageGAF in full force today. Anyone who was expecting more from a Tegra X1 was either delusional or think Nintendo has magic pixy dust they can apply to the Switch to make it super powerful in that form factor.

So yeah, still delusional.

It's half of a Tegra X1 CPU and 76% of GPU when docked.

It's half of a Tegra K1 (Nvidia Shield Tablet) when in handheld mode.

This is not even about expecting more than a TX1. This is way below any reasonable estimation knowing the SoC it was based on.

 

[Snakeyes]

Makes you wonder why it needs active cooling when the Shield Android TV doesn't.

 

[ekim]

Likely not if the dock helps with cooling.

damn it. I wanted this as my in bed playing machine

 

[DangerMouse]

I have to wonder if in 50 years from now we will still be making dbz references. Some things in life are truly timeless.

LOL yeah. A new generation has been getting exposed to it thanks to the Kai run on Toonami and now with Super bringing new real premieres I think it's likely dbz references will be continuing for quite a while lol.

 

[sammyCYBORG]

I used to think Nintendo going 3rd party was a terrible idea, but now I actually think it's a good one.

They're rubbish at making consoles now. They're under-powered and focused on gimmicks. You also have to suffer a bad OS, ancient online/friend system and so on.

Would much rather they just started releasing games on Steam at this point.

 

[big_erk]

Some games "bombed" but others sold like hot cakes.

Yes they did, super high poly hotcakes. MMMMMM!!!!

 

[Steph_E.]

Could this mean a $199 launch price?

Maybe they are aiming at $99.

No chance at this, with a screen, multiple complex controllers, etc. 249 minimum, likely 299.

If so, they won't sell many.

 

[phanphare]

I have been wondering what Nintendos plan is for years.
With the Wii, they lost 3rd party business and the WiiU was obviously not equipped to regain it.
Sony and Microsoft have a huge head start with PSN and XBL, they have gamers and communities connected to their eco systems, gamers won't switch(no pun intended) system lightly.
I think Nintendo has actually given up on becoming a 3rd viable platform for 3rd parties again. Its basically impossible for them to compete with Sony and MS at this point.
I think they made the right choice to not try to compete and rather go for affordable hardware. They don't need to get into the teraflop race.

However, I think that focussing on their own Games won't be enough. The WiiU showed that Nintendo games alone pull in 10 maybe 15 mil people, I don't think thats enough for Nintendo.

Will be interesting to see if they have something up their sleeves.

you're forgetting that the Switch will get Nintendo's full support whereas this current gen they had to support both the 3DS and Wii U

 

[trixx]

Which ports would you have expected prior to this information? Serious question.

CoD games, sports games, japanese titles, Ubisoft maybe a few others.That's why I'm laughing at the image that people keep quoting about third parties.

I need to see the third parties first before I take anything in that image seriously

 

[Genio88]

You guys make me laugh so much...do you play games with Gflops? Who cares if it's not gonna be that powerful, there are PCs and standard home console for that, Nintendo has to keep the price under the 299$ bar, did you expect a laptop with 2TF 1 hour of battery life and 1200$ price? that's the best they can do, and who cares when we'll get awesome games like Splatoon, Mario, Zelda, Smash Bros etc. That's why i always say PC and Switch is the way to go, one for all the multiplatforms at their best form, the other for the best first party exclusives available and thir peculiarity which can't be found elsewhere

 

[AlStrong]

I hope this means Nvidia will make a Pascal based tablet as I wouldnt mind an upgrade from my SHIELD Tablet.

CES isn't too far off.

 

[saskuatch]

This console is dead in the water, weak CPU and GPU, low RAM, low memory bandwidth. Expect no third party support. Don't expect a sub 250 price either from Nintendo. To those touting it as a great handheld it really isn't when most phones/tablets coming out next year will be as powerful if not more.

 

[Peltz]

Yes

Then I am fine with it. Battery life (at that point) is far more important.

This is what the Wii U should have been (if it were technically possible in 2012). It's the full realization of everything Nintendo set out to do with the Wii U.

 

[TLZ]

Wtf is wrong with y'all. 199 is where this needs to be! This is great news. I think it needs to even be lower, honestly. A portable Wii U isn't so bad and this is probably more modern than that.

The Shield is $199. This should be $99. Well, add $50 for the screen and whatever, $149.

 

[TwilightPrincess]

Likely not if the dock helps with cooling.

The dock doesn't help with cooling.

 

[18-Volt]

Remember when Nintendo did good games?
They still do, no matter the hardware.

Where? Best recent game they made is actually not made by them: Bayonetta 2. Rest are useless spinoffs and more 2D platformers. With more cotton and Cranky Kong.

 

[The_Lump]

Exactly. Few are being delusional. Most just thought it would at least take full advantage of the X1 chip when docked and at least match or exceed the Nvidia Shield that came out in 2015.

Yup. And it maybe does. We know it isn't a standard X1, needs a fan for cooling and we only have a rumoured clock speed. There is no way to know how it performs against a standard X1. Yet.

 

[SinCityAssassin]

That said, January can't come sooner.

 

[Blobbers]

Can't wait to see what FF VIIr will look like on this thing

 

[Oblivion]

Yes

Something is off here, then.

If non-docked mode is running at 307 mhz, and that's supposed to more powerful than Wii-U, then wouldn't docked mode, running at 768 mhz be several times more powerful than Wii-U?

 

[Serenitynow]

The people looking at this as a 3DS successor that connects to the TV probably aren't far off. Those are the types of 3rd party games we'll probably get. The bright side is that at a low price point and with Pokemon in the first year, hopefully this system will take off and eventually do 3DS numbers.

 

[takriel]

This console is dead in the water, weak CPU and GPU, low RAM, low memory bandwidth. Expect no third party support. Don't expect a sub 250 price either from Nintendo. To those touting it as a great handheld it really isn't when most phones/tablets coming out next year will be as powerful if not more.

It all depends on how consistently Nintendo first parties can support the system.

 

[Memento]

That doesnt bode well for third party support...

Which is concerning after Wii U. First party alone wont save it.

 

[The_Lump]

Where? Best recent game they made is actually not made by them: Bayonetta 2. Rest are useless spinoffs and more 2D platformers. With more cotton and Cranky Kong.

Do go on.

 

[bomblord1]

It's half of a Tegra X1 CPU and 76% of GPU when docked.

It's half of a Tegra K1 (Nvidia Shield Tablet) when in handheld mode.

This is not even about expecting more than a TX1. This is way below any reasonable estimation knowing the SoC it was based on.

You know unless it's a custom chip not featuring the same CUDA core count as a standard X1 or with other optimizations.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Where? Best recent game they made is actually not made by them: Bayonetta 2. Rest are useless spinoffs and more 2D platformers. With more cotton and Cranky Kong.

Splatoon is one of the best games released this generation.