cereal_killerxx
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https://moviepilot.com/p/rogue-one-changes-star-wars-original-trilogy/4170927
I apologize if this has been posted before.
I apologize if this has been posted before.
Rogue One is so good it improves the entire trilogy (SPOILERS)
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killertofu
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It added nothing except muddling the introduction of leia in ANH. Movie was completely bland.
Fancy Clown
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Nahhhh
ViewtifulJC
Banned
lmao
Astral Dog
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One of the best films ever made.
Imp the Dimp
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I found both Disney SWs boring and forgettable.
Escape Goat
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I agree. The movie needed to be more than an accounting of each step leading to ANH. Sadly, it's paper thin characters left much to be desired.
You mean just further prove that Leia was lying to Vader? Not really muddling. In fact, it makes it even better that we reallly know Vader thinks she's full of shit.
VeryGooster
Banned
How do I escape this bizarro world where a movie with cardboard cutouts stand in for characters and shoves ANH down my throat way more than TFA gets accused of doing is the best film in this otherwise okay series
It's Lucasfilm that made these movies. Stop the fad that Disney is somehow reaching their paws into this. Lucasfilm are doing pretty much what they want.
Also I agree it gives ANH at least a bit more weight and I've seen this sentiment shared by a lot of people I've talked both on the internet and after watching the movie.
I get where they're coming from in terms of the struggle in the movie adding higher stakes to the trilogy.
However the movie itself was awful. It's so devoid of character and heart that it was difficult to stay awake in the theatre. I would have got up and left if I wasn't with other people.
However the movie itself was awful. It's so devoid of character and heart that it was difficult to stay awake in the theatre. I would have got up and left if I wasn't with other people.
It lead into A New Hope very well. For all the 'b-b-but it was just fanservice', I thought the final third was very well executed.
I watched it in the cinema with my eight year old. She enjoyed it more than Force Awakens. My take...Hmm. Great night out at the cinema it was. However the characters were ultimately disposable and whilst it was fun, I've no real desire to revisit it (which I did incidentally with TFA despite my realising some people have the same character hang ups about Rey, Finn et al)
Still destroys the Prequels in every way, shape and form
I watched it in the cinema with my eight year old. She enjoyed it more than Force Awakens. My take...Hmm. Great night out at the cinema it was. However the characters were ultimately disposable and whilst it was fun, I've no real desire to revisit it (which I did incidentally with TFA despite my realising some people have the same character hang ups about Rey, Finn et al)
Still destroys the Prequels in every way, shape and form
I actually agree, the OT is very much a product of its time. If they ever remake the original trilogy actually showing how people live under the empire would be important to establishing why the rebellion is needed. Rogue one showed how people suffered under imperial and adds stakes to the entire OT.
Imp the Dimp
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I don't care who did the movies lol. They were both boring. Boring. Boring. Boring.
deadscreensky
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We already knew that because it's in the original movie. Vader doesn't trust her from moment one and it's completely blatant.
I can't agree with this idea that Rogue One's intertextual references somehow make A New Hope a stronger film, but if it helps some people then more power to them. (It does maybe paint the Rebellion as slightly more desperate, or at least shades things a bit more, but we also saw the Empire shut down the entire government and blow up a planet filled with pacifists so it's not like it was a secret previously.) I'll at least give it some points for being slightly more original than the Force Awakens.
Then why bring up Disney? Lol. Now I can't speak to your personal tastes you thought that were boring and that's fine, but this is hardly the concensus.
I think it should be a rule at this point that anyone ignorant enough to claim responsibility of these films to "Disney" should have their opinion dismissed. Has anyone who has made such an absurd factually incorrect claim ever made a valid argument or opinion so far? I haven't seen it once yet.
It's become code for "I don't have a clue what I am talking about" for this franchise.
It's become code for "I don't have a clue what I am talking about" for this franchise.
And now we know why he doesn't trust her and why he was willing to attack a shuttle on a "diplomatic mission."
infiniteloop
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Bland and forgetable.
Megalosaro
Banned
Hardly. Some of you guys are too hard to please
Kinda surprised at the extremely negative reactions in here. I just saw Rouge One two days ago and loved it. Far from perfect, but I thought it was way better than TFA. And yeah, I was hyped up to watch ANH afterwards (which I did).
There's a difference between referencing ANH, and straight up copying plot points and story beats to the point where it almost feels more like a remake than a sequel. Rogue One felt like a unique and fresh perspective on the Star Wars universe, and I really appreciated that.
theCalamity
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Because they own it. It's hardly a point worth arguing.
Or just want a better movie.
Lifejumper
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You should have seen the civil war backlash.
Monocle
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Rogue One's four main achievements in my view are:
1) Providing a really excellent retcon that explains the Death Star's fatal weak point. It's logical and adds a poignant new layer to ANH. Now, the destruction of the Death Star is Galen Erso's vindication too. He sacrificed his last years for a worthy cause.
2) Giving the Rebellion shades of gray. The previous films painted them almost as wide-eyed do-gooders. The good guys. Rogue One shows their cutthroat, morally questionable, pragmatic side.
3) Showing the human cost of the Empire's brutal methods.
4) And the least of the four, but so satisfying, was showing a little sample of how Vader earned his fearsome reputation.
P.S. Didn't take long for the hate train to show up. Sorry you don't like thing.
1) Providing a really excellent retcon that explains the Death Star's fatal weak point. It's logical and adds a poignant new layer to ANH. Now, the destruction of the Death Star is Galen Erso's vindication too. He sacrificed his last years for a worthy cause.
2) Giving the Rebellion shades of gray. The previous films painted them almost as wide-eyed do-gooders. The good guys. Rogue One shows their cutthroat, morally questionable, pragmatic side.
3) Showing the human cost of the Empire's brutal methods.
4) And the least of the four, but so satisfying, was showing a little sample of how Vader earned his fearsome reputation.
P.S. Didn't take long for the hate train to show up. Sorry you don't like thing.
Or nitpick fucking every big release of the year because nothing can ever be good enough.
Garrett Hawke
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That final third was probably the best action out of any of the films. So good.
deadscreensky
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But come on, we knew she was carrying secret information. We knew Vader was correct, and (a little later in the film) we knew the Empire was bad enough to attack completely innocent people just to show off. Showing why Vader suspected something doesn't matter. If anything it actually makes the Empire come off as reasonable and less villainous!
OriginofHysteria
Banned
Vader knowing that Leia was full of shit was what made the Emperor dissolve the Senate entirely. Seeing how it lead up to that, tied in with the prequels makes the rise of Palatine's power and the Empire's power complete.
Also it paints the Rebellion as not just a good and fantastic group. It's clear that the Rebels do missions that may be considered unethical and I like that it painted a different side to them, that a group will go at no end to achieve a goal. For me, it made me believe that they had something to fight for now in the OT.
boiled goose
good with gravy
It adds some layers to ot but it was a Pretty mediocre movie.
They also own ESPN but nobody complains to Disney when a production of Monday Night Football has technical issues.
I don't know if i think the OT characters really have that much more depth if you only look at episode IV though (seems more fair to compare one movie to one movie, the characters obviously get a lot more depth over the whole trilogy)
Lifejumper
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At the beginning of ANH there was still a senate. Leia was in a ship that had diplomatic immunity, why not try to use it to get away?
I do think one of its biggest strengths is improving ANH, which is something prequels so often try to do but fail.
I don't necessarily think that's from pure quality as the film has a lot of problems, but that doesn't make the improvements themselves moot. I quite liked it for that alone.
I don't necessarily think that's from pure quality as the film has a lot of problems, but that doesn't make the improvements themselves moot. I quite liked it for that alone.
All it did was take stuff you already liked from the trilogy and showed it to you in exactly the way you wanted to see them ("Hey, I liked that character! Hey, I liked that starship!). I don't agree with the article or the reasoning at all. It added nothing and was barebones fanservice. Everything new that it did add was bland and boring.
Megalosaro
Banned
No, but now I know who to blame for deflategate.
Disney is a corporation. Who owns tons of companies. ESPN, Marvel, A&E, Lucasfilm, etc.
Walt Disney Pictures the film studio who makes the Pirates films, the live action Jungle Book, and so on is also a company owned by the wider Disney corporation. The studio that is associated for making Disney films.
Walt Disney Pictures has nothing to do with Lucasfilms internal production. They have much to do with the films Lucasfilm puts out as ESPN does.
The production staff who greenlit movies, produce films, and approve scripts and the like at Lucasfilm were all mostly in place before the sale.
Calling these Disney movies is absurd and factually misleading.
They also own a big piece of Vice Media. Do you consider Vice to be Disney?
DragonSworne
Banned
It evolves the whole trilogy to something greater than it once was. There is actual purpose now.
Monocle
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Yeah like the retcon explaining the Death Star's weak point. Pointless, right? So bland, you guys. So booooring. Truly, I slept like a baby.
I do agree to some degree. Knowing all the sacrifices & effort that went into getting the plans of the Death Star and having liked quite a few of the characters, even if many of them could've used some more character development, does improve the OG trilogy a bit. Not tons, but a bit.
Mortimer Brewster
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Yep it's the standard modern Disney , focus tested into oblivion cookie cutter formula. Neither Rogue One or TFA are bad films, they are both solid but very highly forgettable films with heavy nostalgic pandering and lacking the heart and soul of the original films. Also despite grumbling from the usual suspects claiming Disney is hands off, any look at Kathleen Kennedy's work pre Disney proves both these most recent Star Wars films were dreamed up by Iger and the Disney boardroom and then passed down the chain.
theCalamity
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I do all of the time. That Mouse better not have technical difficulties when I'm watching football.
Disney Corp owns the movies. Therefore, they're Disney movies. It's not that hard to understand.
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