Rogue One is so good it improves the entire trilogy (SPOILERS)

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Mortimer Brewster said:
Yep it's the standard modern Disney , focus tested into oblivion cookie cutter formula. Neither Rogue One or TFA are bad films, they are both solid but very highly forgettable films with heavy nostalgic pandering and lacking the heart and soul of the original films. Also despite grumbling from the usual suspects claiming Disney is hands off, any look at Kathleen Kennedy's work pre Disney proves both these most recent Star Wars films were dreamed up by Iger and the Disney boardroom and then passed down the chain.
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What's focus tested about
everyone dying
?
 
It definitely made me appreciate ANH. Previously didn't care for it much and will always say that Empire is really the only good Star Wars flick (until now with Rogue One).
 
Not even close. Doesn't add anything to ANH besides a bit more depth, depth that wasn't needed. Nobody was asking those questions until Disney brought them up. Completely unnecessary. That said the battle of Scarif was probably the best Star Wars battle...Well...Ever.
 
theCalamity said:
I do all of the time. That Mouse better not have technical difficulties when I'm watching football.



Disney Corp owns the movies. Therefore, they're Disney movies. It's not that hard to understand.
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Disney corp doesnt influence LucasFilm output in any way. Is that too hard to understand?
 
I liked this movie, but it comes off as something that kind of appeals only to hardcore Star Wars fans. It answers questions no one really cared about. It is super unnecessary in terms of understanding and appreciating the OT. It does serve its purpose well: be an interesting side story in the Star Wars universe.
 
Mortimer Brewster said:
Also despite grumbling from the usual suspects claiming Disney is hands off, any look at Kathleen Kennedy's work pre Disney proves both these most recent Star Wars films were dreamed up by Iger and the Disney boardroom and then passed down the chain.
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John Knoll dreamed up this film. It's his story. His pitch. An employee of Lucasfilm for decades.

This film was pitched and in early pre-production BEFORE the Disney deal. We know this for a fact.

The Han Solo film was already being written before the Disney sale as welll.

The idea for spin-offs and this first "phase" of films was planned out before the sale went down. George Lucas was the one who hired Kasdan to write the Han Solo spin-offs. Kasdan said George was the one who asked him to write it.

Disney indeed.

You don't have a clue what you are talking about and just embarrassing yourself at this point.

A movie pitched before Disney was even involved is clearly from Bob Iger.

A CEO famous for being hands off with his subsidiaries.
 
Couldn't agree more, Rogue one really is amazing especially the last hour. I'd place it just below Empire Stikes Back as my second favourite Star Wars movie.
 
Sulik2 said:
I actually agree, the OT is very much a product of its time. If they ever remake the original trilogy actually showing how people live under the empire would be important to establishing why the rebellion is needed. Rogue one showed how people suffered under imperial and adds stakes to the entire OT.
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The Empire is blowing up planets with a giant super weapon. I don't think anyone questioned who was the good or bad guys in the OT even if we didn't see the lives of everyday people.
 
TheWorthyEdge said:
Not even close. Doesn't add anything to ANH besides a bit more depth, depth that wasn't needed. Nobody was asking those questions until Disney brought them up. Completely unnecessary. That said the battle of Scarif was probably the best Star Wars battle...Well...Ever.
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Do you judge all prequels and sequels by what's necessary, as opposed to what works narratively and how the previous material is enriched by new revelations?
 
TheWorthyEdge said:
Not even close. Doesn't add anything to ANH besides a bit more depth, depth that wasn't needed. Nobody was asking those questions until Disney brought them up. Completely unnecessary. That said the battle of Scarif was probably the best Star Wars battle...Well...Ever.
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You did that on purpose right? lol
 
Totally. What a great movie. It did its job as a prequel that's for sure. Probably top 3 or 4 in the series for me, haven't decided.
 
Pop-O-Matic said:
TFA was the new Skyfall. Rogue One is the new The Phantom Menace
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I agree that it's a rare case of a prequel that helps more than it hurts. It's actually amazing that it adds more weight to ANH (and in the process, the entire OT) than the entire PT managed to do.
 
It does improve the entire original trilogy.

By reminding you how likeable actors portraying memorable characters should act, rather than the paper-thin, forgettable nobodies we got in Rogue One. The movie wasn't horrible, but it's definitely nowhere near the OT or TFA.
 
theCalamity said:
I didn't say that Disney influences them. I just said that Disney owns them. Is that too hard to understand?
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When is the last time people refer to the Marvel Studios movies as Disney? Or call ESPN Disney? This seems to only ever happen with Lucasfilm.
 
killertofu said:
It added nothing except muddling the introduction of leia in ANH. Movie was completely bland.
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I have to disagree. If anything it adds more to her introduction in ANH, and even more to Vader's certainty that the plans are on the Tantive IV.

But even still, at the beginning of ANH the Senate is still intact so without actual proof that Leia is a traitor he can do no more than simply detain her.

Garrett Hawke said:
so focus tested the main characters are a woman and a mexican
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You cannot be serious...
 
I definitely agree. In terms of story beats, it seemed like a logical prequel to ANH compared to TFA which seemed bizarre as a distant sequel to ROTJ. The former enhanced the old trilogy, while the latter showed the Rebels did such a half-assed job dealing with the Empire that in 30 years (almost twice the amount of time it took them to be established) they've managed to still stay relatively in power compared to the rebels and managed to amass the resources to build a weapon way more powerful than either Death Star.

If you can't tell, I think Starkiller Base was quite possibly the worst thing in a Star Wars movie
 
It made destroying the death star way more hard hitting for me. Before RO I had no idea why there would be such a flaw in the death star design. Seemed a bit ridiculous.
 
Nah. Based on the first trailer, I thought Rogue One had a lot of potential to frame the rebellion in a new light and make it seem like a desperate struggle but it ended up feeling like a generic Star Wars movie where the main characters just happened to all die at the end. It fell flat for me.
 
I found RO to be so boring that it doesn't really add anything to ANH for me and if anything, makes me think less of the SW movies as a whole.
 
I didn't need this movie to make me appreciate A New Hope. That movie is a cinematic classic but I did enjoy this side story. It felt like a trip down memory lane, a movie for the fans. The SW imagery and iconography was beautifully rendered.

This movie accomplishes the difficult task of adding to the original without taking anything away from it. Something George Lucas was unable to do with the prequels
 
Monocle said:
Do you judge all prequels and sequels by what's necessary, as opposed to what works narratively and how the previous material is enriched by new revelations?
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Rogue One doesn't add anything to A New Hope. When I watch ANH again the only thing that Rogue One will add to is the very very beginning.

I'm not judging them by what's necessary, I'm looking at what was added and weighting it to what should've been added.

I love the prequels because they add to characters that are in the old trilogy and add more arcs. Rogue One didn't do that. Idk I guess it's just me? That's what I'm looking for in a prequel or sequel. Good movie, but not necessary to me.

munchie64 said:
You did that on purpose right? lol
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Yeah, I wrote what I wanted?
 
UnemployedVillain said:
I definitely agree. In terms of story beats, it seemed like a logical prequel to ANH compared to TFA which seemed bizarre as a distant sequel to ROTJ. The former enhanced the old trilogy, while the latter showed the Rebels did such a half-assed job dealing with the Empire that in 30 years (almost twice the amount of time it took them to be established) they've managed to still stay relatively in power compared to the rebels and managed to amass the resources to build a weapon way more powerful than either Death Star.

If you can't tell, I think Starkiller Base was quite possibly the worst thing in a Star Wars movie
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I can't believe the best they could think of was just Death Star v3.
 
Henrar said:
Prequels at least were more original than TFA.
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What a stupid argument. Original says absolutely nothing about quality. Unless you prefer watching a terrible child actor traipsing around in the sand versus a grizzled Han Solo's screen-filling charisma.

UnemployedVillain said:
I definitely agree. In terms of story beats, it seemed like a logical prequel to ANH compared to TFA which seemed bizarre as a distant sequel to ROTJ. The former enhanced the old trilogy, while the latter showed the Rebels did such a half-assed job dealing with the Empire that in 30 years (almost twice the amount of time it took them to be established) they've managed to still stay relatively in power compared to the rebels and managed to amass the resources to build a weapon way more powerful than either Death Star.

If you can't tell, I think Starkiller Base was quite possibly the worst thing in a Star Wars movie
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Worse than Jar Jar? Wore than the colossally fucked fall of Darth Vader? Worse than turning Palpatine into a bumbling cackling cartoon?

Perspective, please. Let's have a little sanity here.
 
It was good, but it doesn't really enhance the OT for me.

UnemployedVillain said:
I definitely agree. In terms of story beats, it seemed like a logical prequel to ANH compared to TFA which seemed bizarre as a distant sequel to ROTJ. The former enhanced the old trilogy, while the latter showed the Rebels did such a half-assed job dealing with the Empire that in 30 years (almost twice the amount of time it took them to be established) they've managed to still stay relatively in power compared to the rebels and managed to amass the resources to build a weapon way more powerful than either Death Star.

If you can't tell, I think Starkiller Base was quite possibly the worst thing in a Star Wars movie
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Although I would agree with this when comparing it to TFA.
 
TheWorthyEdge said:
Rogue One doesn't add anything to A New Hope. When I watch ANH again the only thing that Rogue One will add to is the very very beginning.

I'm not judging them by what's necessary, I'm looking at what was added and weighting it to what should've been added.

I love the prequels because they add to characters that are in the old trilogy and add more arcs. Rogue One didn't do that. Idk I guess it's just me? That's what I'm looking for in a prequel or sequel. Good movie, but not necessary to me.
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Rogue One makes ANH possible. Without it, and the events that unfold in it, the Death Star would never have been destroyed.

It also explains why there was such a glaring weakness in it. Something that was very much welcome, after years of Star Wars fans debating why that would be.
 
Monocle said:
What a stupid argument. Original says absolutely nothing about quality. Unless you prefer watching a terrible child actor traipsing around in the sand versus a grizzled Han Solo's screen-filling charisma.
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Just like there were OT purists during the prequel era we now have the "George Lucas" purists who will insist only his films are original and count. As those who were kids during the prequel era grow up this isn't too surprising.

It's not something you will be able to rationally argue against. Only the 1-6 films count to them and are worth watching and nothing will move them from that, no matter how good of a film in the franchise comes out.
 
zethren said:
Rogue One makes ANH possible. Without it, and the events that unfold in it, the Death Star would never have been destroyed.

It also explains why there was such a glaring weakness in it. Something that was very much welcome, after years of Star Wars fans debating why that would be.
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Easily explained: the Empire's hubris.
 
To me... people who were expecting more couldn't understand its relevance. I'm annoyed by how divisive the reaction is.

Finally we have a Star Wars film that has the guts to ask certain things we were unwilling to ask. Reminded us that war sucks. I love redlettermedia but the review was garbage. It gets me excited knowing the fan boys are too far deep into this lore that they argue over such menial things... anyways... of course it's not ground breaking...
 
Great film. Some of the best scenes and characters in the entire franchise. It's going to stick with me for a long time. I went in with middling exceptions and was blown away by how good it was, some minor editing faults in the first act aside.
 
zethren said:
Rogue One makes ANH possible. Without it, and the events that unfold in it, the Death Star would never have been destroyed.
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We've went without Rogue One for 40 years.

It also explains why there was such a glaring weakness in it. Something that was very much welcome, after years of Star Wars fans debating why that would be.
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I did like this, though.
 
MrToughPants said:
Second favourite Star Wars film.

TFA was garbage.
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This opinion is garbage. Rogue was decent, but story was NOT interesting at all. The films purpose was clear, but I feel that they could have been more creative with coming up with a plot for the film. There weren't many characters you could care for because of the lack of development, the minimal dialogue they had, or because the overall flat performances. The standouts for me were some of the actions scenes, the humor provided by the droid, and Vader scenes.
 
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