Phil Spencer: "I know we have to take risks [after Scalebound cancellation],"

Sorry, sounds like bullshit to me. I'm pretty confident that Scalebound got cancelled because it wasn't turning into what they wanted it to be be, and not because Platinum suddenly became incapable of finishing the job!

Believing in a project, and taking a risk on it, is best exemplified by how Sony refused to give up on The Last Guardian. Where's the Xbox analog to that?
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
I wonder how much power he really has.
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Yeah, I think ultimately it's pretty difficult to look at MS's moves and say that the problem is people within Xbox -- versus issues above their heads in terms of what MS wants to commit resources to.

Clear said:
Believing in a project, and taking a risk on it, is best exemplified by how Sony refused to give up on The Last Guardian. Where's the Xbox analog to that?
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Too Human
 
SlipperyFishes said:
Depends on what was risky about it. Sounds like there's only rumor and speculation, and if there was something truly shitty about MS then we would have heard that direct from PG by now.
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Not necessarily, it might be a Japanese thing, Kojima probably has a loooooot of shit he could have flung Konami's way in the past year but hasn't.
 
If Microsoft greenlights a shit ton of games today, they might be able to catch up with Sony's output in the middle of next gen. But it's clear that the company is moving towards competing with Steam, so I imagine in their perfect world they won't even have to develop new games in 5 years.
 
I think you see a clear difference in the corporate culture in Ms and Sony. Sure both are business at the end of the day, but Sony has a long history of fostering and nurturing creative talent and letting it build into something, believing in the creative process, even in movies/music as well.

MS just doesn;t have that patience and the business side always effects the creative side negatively. It's why just buying studios won;t help them. Just buying a studio is useless if you cannot foster and nurture its talent properly.

That's just my take.
 
Imagine what the backlash would've been like if the game being cancelled looked good.

Dig up some of those old Rare IP if first party studios/games are so critical.
 
henhowc said:
damn how quickly people turn on you lol
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Many of us haven't been convinced by the 'Good Guy Phil' persona since the beginning. His statements are more and more hollow every time another game is cancelled and a studio shut down, and being nearly three years into his tenure as head of Xbox we should really be seeing the fruits of his efforts by now. I'm sure some people are excited for Scorpio, but new hardware is pointless without new software to showcase it.
 
Finaj said:
Again, they don't have much of a choice. Either that, keep on contracting third parties or split their existing first-party studios to work on other projects.

Or choose none of that and continue to not do well financially, which might very well be the case.
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Creating new studios for new games that may or may not release and may or may not be successful is not the definition of "doing well financially".

The entire Xbox brand seems to be on fire right now and Scorpio is coming out at the worst possible moment. Investing in anything Xbox sounds like a bad idea. For both the gamers and Microsoft.
 
If he can admit that they need to take more risk and shake things up why can't some Xbox fans admit it ? This is a step in the right direction atleast they are listening.
 
They have a LONG way to go, as someone who used to adore the Xbox lineup last generation.

Their 1st party studios are by a long shot the weakest of the big 3, and the most "samey" as well. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I've heard Spencer referencing this many times how they are going to "invest in 1st party" and I've yet to really see that play out. If by that they mean another Forza, another Gears, and another Halo alone, well that's not going to cut it. Those may be great franchises (I enjoy all of them) but they are also the exact same lineup we've been getting for over a decade now.
 
Am I the only one that believes Scorpio will be the launch of Phill's actual run Xbox head. I mean, yes he was on the team for the Xbox one, but he wasn't the head.

He was made chief only three years ago, closer to 3 and a half.

He is still cleaning up what Mattrick did. Green lighting new games and studios take serious time. I'd expect his vision is just now finally getting ready to be shown

Just my thoughts
 
They really need to show something impressive for Crackdown 3 asap after the Scalebound cancellation imho.

We haven't seen anything since August of 2015 and it was that 'gameplay' video where it's just the protagonist shooting at a building and no visible enemies.

Scalebound and Crackdown are the two games I was waiting for to re-buy an XB1. Now we're definitely not getting one and it feels like we may not get both.
 
Kill3r7 said:
That's not risk that is fucken suicide. For starters they would need to create new studios to handle their bread and butter IPs. Make sure that they are up to snuff so their talented studios can try their hand at something new. Let's put it this way, if you have 343 and Coalition work on something new then it better hit because if it fails you are out of job.
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Guerrilla Games was allowed to make a new big game, why not 343?
 
Malice215 said:
Scalebound was the risk and it got canned. Meanwhile the titles they've put out are anything but risky. What's left?
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Because something doesn't work out doesn't mean that the strategy is being abandoned. Game development is hard, sometimes a project doesn't come together.
 
Clear said:
Sorry, sounds like bullshit to me. I'm pretty confident that Scalebound got cancelled because it wasn't turning into what they wanted it to be be, and not because Platinum suddenly became incapable of finishing the job!

Believing in a project, and taking a risk on it, is best exemplified by how Sony refused to give up on The Last Guardian. Where's the Xbox analog to that?
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Fable?
Too Human?
Brute Force?
 
Obliterator said:
They have a LONG way to go, as someone who used to adore the Xbox lineup last generation.

Their 1st party studios are by a long shot the weakest of the big 3, and the most "samey" as well. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I've heard Spencer referencing this many times how they are going to "invest in 1st party" and I've yet to really see that play out. If by that they mean another Forza, another Gears, and another Halo alone, well that's not going to cut it. Those may be great franchises (I enjoy all of them) they are also the exact same lineup we've been getting for over a decade now.
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Keep in mind Spencer was head of their studios for years, but I still think the issue is beyond him, it's the corporate culture at MS.
 
I'm working under the assumption that he is pretty severely budget constrained at this point.

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense otherwise.
 
I want everything we start to turn out great....
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I'm interested in this part of the quote. Unless there was a planed major delay, Scalebound should had been very close to completion already, considering it was coming out this year. Was the game really shit to the point that flushing the project that they had been investing for years down the toilet was the better choice than pushing it out the gate?
 
Stop listening to this hype man. Ignore the words and look at the games....you happy with the line line up? That's all that matters.
 
Aizen.S.Kennedy said:
If he can admit that they need to take more risk and shake things up why can't some Xbox fans admit it ? This is a step in the right direction atleast they are listening.
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I think....Its because this is deja vu for a lot of people.

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He's not preaching the gospel to me but I don't want to hope anymore and I want to see him (again) keep his word. I'm not buying another halo, Forza and gears every again after 2016 so everything else in the works better be lit and different...off script...something.
 
Finaj said:
Again, they don't have much of a choice. Either that, keep on contracting third parties or split their existing first-party studios to work on other projects.

Or choose none of that and continue to not do well financially, which might very well be the case.
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They have never been willing to take on the "burden" of starting or acquiring new studios so I don't know why any one would expect it now. It is much less risky to simply fund/acquire games to fill gaps in their lineup. I don't like that strategy, but I don't see it changing.
 
Obliterator said:
They have a LONG way to go, as someone who used to adore the Xbox lineup last generation.

Their 1st party studios are by a long shot the weakest of the big 3, and the most "samey" as well. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I've heard Spencer referencing this many times how they are going to "invest in 1st party" and I've yet to really see that play out. If by that they mean another Forza, another Gears, and another Halo alone, well that's not going to cut it. Those may be great franchises (I enjoy all of them) but they are also the exact same lineup we've been getting for over a decade now.
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I mean have they had any new studios started up in past couple years?
 
Nikana said:
Am I the only one that believes Scorpio will be the launch of Phill's actual run Xbox head. I mean, yes he was on the team for the Xbox one, but he wasn't the head.

He was made chief only three years ago, closer to 3 and a half.

He is still cleaning up what Mattrick did. Green lighting new games and studios take serious time. I'd expect his vision is just now finally getting ready to be shown

Just my thoughts
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People still blaming Mattrick? Holy cow man....Phil was all a part of that, and he was head of their studios for like 10 years, this is beyond one guy.
 
Hope they're just saving themselves for the Scorpio blowout. Diversity is so key. It's pretty much the main reason why I'm generally disinterested. But I still hope for the best because I like a strong console ecosystem with healthy competition.
 
Nikana said:
Am I the only one that believes Scorpio will be the launch of Phill's actual run Xbox head. I mean, yes he was on the team for the Xbox one, but he wasn't the head.

He was made chief only three years ago, closer to 3 and a half.

He is still cleaning up what Mattrick did. Green lighting new games and studios take serious time. I'd expect his vision is just now finally getting ready to be shown

Just my thoughts
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i use the following formula to calculate the year where phil's leadership year actually took over

[phil's actual leadership year] = [current year] + 1
 
SlipperyFishes said:
Depends on what was risky about it. Sounds like there's only rumor and speculation, and if there was something truly shitty about MS then we would have heard that direct from PG by now.
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Not a chance because at the end PG is a company know to create licensed games for publishers.
 
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