Interfectum
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10x is a gross exaggeration plus it'll most likely never be on PC (besides emu in a decade or so).
For those who refuse to game on a PC, what holds you back?
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10x is a gross exaggeration plus it'll most likely never be on PC (besides emu in a decade or so).
biggersmaller
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LOL - this is prettty good.
Starting with Voodoo 2 I loved building and tinkering with my PC to get the best performance. It was a big part of the fun. That is until adulthood realities got to me and I just wanted to play games. I got frustrated trying to get just-released Fallout 3 to run on my new 920 build and said "no more." I bought it for my PS3 and enjoyed my lower performing but tinker-free experience.
More than some of the posts here? They really aren't.
'i find playing pc games disgusting'
sure that shit is cool huh, surely "engaging" would create a worthy discussion
get off that high horse yo
unrenowned
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Sit down at my PC to start a game, realize there's a Steam/driver/Windows update. While downloading/installing I read my mail, some news, watch a few YouTube vids. An hour later I realize the update installed 50 minutes ago and I've inadvertently procrastinated.
Guardian Monkey
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Aztechnology
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I think it was sarcasm.
Goose_Se7en
Banned
Perfection
I saw this and immediately thought "all the PC folks will descend upon you" lol.
Though consoles have installations and patches now, it is still way more convenient to game on them than on PC. There is no need to check compatibility with your system, no tinkering in the graphical settings to get everything smooth, and only every once in a while you need an expensive upgrade.
PC gaming is just to cumbersome to me. I also asociate a PC with work, and it might seem small, but I really enjoy shutting my laptop and firing up my PS4 or Xbox for some downtime. (Yeah, I know, I surf the internet on PC too, but generally I do it on iPad when I really have my offtime, and PC surfing is during 'work hours' for short relaxing).
The other thing is that there aren't many experiences I like on PC I can't find on console too. I don't like RTS-games, so I don't miss out on those. Almost everything else that remotely interests me is available on consoles I allready own, so there is absolutely no need to invest in a PC.
PC gaming is just to cumbersome to me. I also asociate a PC with work, and it might seem small, but I really enjoy shutting my laptop and firing up my PS4 or Xbox for some downtime. (Yeah, I know, I surf the internet on PC too, but generally I do it on iPad when I really have my offtime, and PC surfing is during 'work hours' for short relaxing).
The other thing is that there aren't many experiences I like on PC I can't find on console too. I don't like RTS-games, so I don't miss out on those. Almost everything else that remotely interests me is available on consoles I allready own, so there is absolutely no need to invest in a PC.
Well, it's more so that said tech-support requires at least a smidgen of hardware knowledge. One can't just say "My computer thing is acting weird" and have a tech-support guru handle everything, or at least not in my city where every place I buy a computer from either goes out of business or gets shut down by it's parent company without warning. You need to have some level of... independence (it's the closest word I can think of to what I mean) with repairs.
And yeah, If I go all in for PC, I want it to be the best. So no budget rigs that run slightly better than a standard PS4/X1/Switch, But ones that outperform PS4Pro/Scorpio/Nintendo8.
LordOfChaos
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I'm curious if people saying maintenance have been on 10? I remember XP needed a nearly yearly reinstall, Vista got better but was pretty much consistently sluggish, and 7, 8, and 10 all seem to keep their legs just as long as macOS. In fact I saw less benefit from reinstalling 8 from scratch (before 10 was out) than I did reinstalling El Capitan fresh on a Mac that had been upgrade-installed since Snow Leopard.
And tweaking as a con? Well, if a game launches broken on console, there's nothing you can do, so tweaking can be a plus.
Me, I'm not PC right now because a nice 1000 dollar build in USD is 1333 in CAD is 1533 after tax. *cries self to sleep*
I could go lower of course, I could probably come within 150 dollars of a console, but then the upgrade isn't as dramatic and to me misses some of the point. I do want to build a PC soon though, because Doom and Overwatch don't feel as good to me on a console.
And tweaking as a con? Well, if a game launches broken on console, there's nothing you can do, so tweaking can be a plus.
Me, I'm not PC right now because a nice 1000 dollar build in USD is 1333 in CAD is 1533 after tax. *cries self to sleep*
I could go lower of course, I could probably come within 150 dollars of a console, but then the upgrade isn't as dramatic and to me misses some of the point. I do want to build a PC soon though, because Doom and Overwatch don't feel as good to me on a console.
Aces&Eights
Member
Honestly, all you have to do is read the PC performance threads on gaf to find there are quite a bit of these issues still happening in pc gaming. Some of the posts in the batman and unity threads required a network engineering degree to understand.
Newtype-001
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The longest time for me it was initial investmant.
If you dont have any components not even a monitor you have to put in alot.
Where as i bought my ps4 and wiiu for something like £600-650 together. About £300 less than i spent on everything for my pc.
So i thought whats the point when there arnt any pc exclusives interesting me and Ps4 gives me 3rd parties and first party games anyway.
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Ipretty much only play Overwatch tho lol
If you dont have any components not even a monitor you have to put in alot.
Where as i bought my ps4 and wiiu for something like £600-650 together. About £300 less than i spent on everything for my pc.
So i thought whats the point when there arnt any pc exclusives interesting me and Ps4 gives me 3rd parties and first party games anyway.
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Ipretty much only play Overwatch tho lol
You called people stupid, yet I'm in a high horse.
You engage with the people worth engaging, and ignore the others. People that make statements like "lol pc gaming more like spending hours in menus!" or "lol console enjoy spending more on one game than i do 100 games!" should be ignored.
Like, someone countered my rental argument with their own, and while I disagree, there was merit to their point.
Might have exaggerated a bit, let's wait how it runs on a PS4 first (30 fps probably).
Any medium pc would be able to run it better 60 fps, maybe even 2k.
well people like you are obviously not included in the "stupidity" part, that's a completely valid reason as are a lot of reasons posted here
but when someone posts 'playing pc games is disgusting" i won't waste my time arguing with shit like that and call that line of thinking stupid, cause, uh, it is.
no need to get defensive when what i posted was clearly aimed at the hyperbole bullshit posted in this thread
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
I didn't assemble my own PC, you don't have to either. For us who don't want to, out of laziness, lack of skill or fear of breaking something , there are people who will do it for us. And for updating games, I don't even need to press X since Steam downloads and installs the patches automatically. Graphic card drivers are also updated by a click of a mouse. And windows updates can be automatic too if you want to. Though I admit that I occasionally have screen tearing issues with some of my games, luckily I only googled for a solution once and it has worked for every game so far. But there are problems that need trouble solving on consoles too. We are still in a first month of this year, but I've had two different persons asking me for advice with PS4 network problems.
But by 'vague-posting' you throw a lot of people under the same blanket and people can't tell who you're referring to.
It's just a pet peeve of mine, I know you don't think 99% of the thread is stupid, but it triggers me, perhaps unfairly to you.
I don't want to think about problems like drivers. And I do not like to mess with graphics settings. Either my PC must be so good that I do not need to think about them and just play on max or I just get frustrated.
But yeah, maybe I will make the switch if Inhave a steady income. PC gaming is just cheaper (at least the games) and you have a wider variety of games .
But yeah, maybe I will make the switch if Inhave a steady income. PC gaming is just cheaper (at least the games) and you have a wider variety of games .
SmokedMeat
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You sound like the klutz on the "As seen on TV" product commercials that can't accomplish the simplest of tasks.
I do but only if the pc game has controller support. I know if I got used to m/kb I'd love it I just can't be bothered to take the time. Also, my gaming pc is from 2011 and to upgrade now, since I have ps4 and Xbone, feels unnecessary.
Edit: I also had a lot of experiences fucking with .ini files, settings, updating graphics card drivers (that sometimes didn't work requiring a roll back), regular hard crashes, and now that my rig is so old it won't run anything current so I'll have to invest at least as much as it would cost to buy a switch to upgrade it. I'd rather have a switch...and I don't really want a switch so I'm just not interested anymore.
Maybe if I buy some kind of virtually reality setup but until then I'm good on pc gaming.
Edit: I also had a lot of experiences fucking with .ini files, settings, updating graphics card drivers (that sometimes didn't work requiring a roll back), regular hard crashes, and now that my rig is so old it won't run anything current so I'll have to invest at least as much as it would cost to buy a switch to upgrade it. I'd rather have a switch...and I don't really want a switch so I'm just not interested anymore.
Maybe if I buy some kind of virtually reality setup but until then I'm good on pc gaming.
i mean when i read people posting stuff like that i don't really get offended because i know i'm obviously not included in it
sorry if that offended you but i was obviously aiming at people posting shit to create silly discussions or something that just doesn't exist
Aztechnology
Member
Ermmm as big of a supporter as I am for PC gaming... Define medium. Because a 480/1060 is what I'd consider a medium level GPU. Basically I guess just take whatever you'd consider the pro to do and add a little extra juice for the 480 .Not counting Overclocking. But I don't really know how well they are Overclocking now. It wasn't that impressive at launch. Not compared to Nvidias TDP at least.
1060 with Overclocking you could probably add around %20-30 performance on top.
I'm just satisfied with having a Sony and Nintendo system for all my gaming needs. I'm a huge fan of both of their exclusives, and every third party game I want almost always comes out on either system. I also don't care a huge deal about graphics so buying a powerful PC (or even a PS4 pro) is not worth it.
EventHorizon
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That is simply not true. The PS4 isn't becoming outdated at all. Like I said, Horizon is coming out next month and will look gorgeous on the PS4. In what world does that in any way equate to somehow becoming outdated. All you are saying is that at some point in the future, the PS4 will be old tech which is a pointless statement to make since the same can be said about all tech. Get back to me when the PS4 actually is outdated and we can talk but that doesn't look to be happening any time soon.
I truly hope my sarcasm detector is broken, because if you are being serious...Oh boy. I've got some bad news for you.
Altered Juice
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"With a pc, you can completely surpass the console experience!"
"Damn, that is nice! Say, can you recommend me some pc exclusives? Heard about 40 games were announced at e3....not interested in the side scrolling indies, strategy type games or MMOs."
"....."
"Damn, that is nice! Say, can you recommend me some pc exclusives? Heard about 40 games were announced at e3....not interested in the side scrolling indies, strategy type games or MMOs."
"....."
i mean when i read people posting stuff like that i don't really get offended because i know i'm obviously not included in it
sorry if that offended you but i was obviously aiming at people posting shit to create silly discussions or something that just doesn't exist
Fair enough. Just a pet peeve of mine from way back in high school days when people on Facebook would do it constantly. Maybe it shouldn't be brought to GAF, but wew it sets me off.
It's Sony 1st party, so what it would run on PC is irrelevent.
Well, my initial remark was about the outdated ps4 and Horizon came up.
I know it'll never be on PC but if it was, I would be able to run that mofo on max
Nvidia experience optimizes the settings for you on a click of a mouse, no need to tinker with those yourself. Unless you want to, that's an option ofcourse.
This. I've tried dual booting, so that I can work in a sane OS, and game on a Windows install, but then I spend time that could have been spent gaming waiting for Windows to update itself, or for Steam or Origin or Battle.net to update themselves.
It just works out better to have a second cheap (ish) device that is dedicated to gaming, available at the press of a button every time I step away from my office and settle in on the comfy couch in the game room. ymmv.
I like buying a game and knowing without any doubt, it will run on my console and won't run better/worse than my friend who has the same console.
It's convince, I want to just play a game, not have to put leg work in at times to find fixes for graphics cards or have issues and travel forums to find fixes in advance of patches.
Pop a disc in, play.
Download a PC game and hope for the best.
This ain't a dig at PC gamers and I know it doesn't happen all the time, but you can't say it's never happened.
I just ain't got the patience for it or the FOMO.
It's convince, I want to just play a game, not have to put leg work in at times to find fixes for graphics cards or have issues and travel forums to find fixes in advance of patches.
Pop a disc in, play.
Download a PC game and hope for the best.
This ain't a dig at PC gamers and I know it doesn't happen all the time, but you can't say it's never happened.
I just ain't got the patience for it or the FOMO.
Well I mean lets just go through the ones at the top of my head: Antichamber, Sunless Sea, Company of Heroes, Morrowind and prior, Brigador, Towerclimb, Sethian, Euro / American Truck Sim, Torchlight 2, LISA, Thief 1 & 2, Insurgency, Mount and Blade, ARMA, OFF, Star Citizen, Pillars, Tyranny etc etc.
All could be adapted to a controller and have some game changes to make them work, but they don't happen. Whole host of reasons include, not wanting to pay for development or porting, not wanting to compromise the games functionality, wanting to adhere to the PC community and the user generated content, not wanting to compromise business models, game is too old / not worth the effort, developers have moved on or shut down etc
Edit: Actually completely forgot - Cities Skyline has been AWOL regarding consoles for two years now, and many of these games are pretty massively different to their PC incarnations. I really wonder if things like Team Fortress 2 should be on these kind of lists, where they have deviate so so so far beyond what is left on other platforms, that it is wonder how they can even be compared
How to play a game on a modern console:
(Console loads)
1. Unwrap game
2. Put in disc
3. Install (7+ hours for some reason)
4. Patch (hours)
5. XBOX NOT ONLINE
6. Make Sure it's online.
7. Play.
And on PC:
(PC loads ... in 1/8th the time)
1. Log in
2. Press "Play"
3. Play
In my experience, it is much easier to load a PC game. I tried showing my Dad some XB1 games a few days ago and the damn thing had to slowly download several 7GB patches after bitching about not being connected .. I thought Microsoft ended the always online requirement? Very annoying.
Don't get me started on how overpriced Xbox Live and PS+ are, which are needed for a bulk of the games also available on PC with better graphics/free online.
BUT to a consoles defense, the Windows UI could be fixed up to work better in a living room environment. Valve almost did it with Big Picture and that works for a lot of people, personally I think it's really clunky like 2001 Xbox style.
(Console loads)
1. Unwrap game
2. Put in disc
3. Install (7+ hours for some reason)
4. Patch (hours)
5. XBOX NOT ONLINE
6. Make Sure it's online.
7. Play.
And on PC:
(PC loads ... in 1/8th the time)
1. Log in
2. Press "Play"
3. Play
In my experience, it is much easier to load a PC game. I tried showing my Dad some XB1 games a few days ago and the damn thing had to slowly download several 7GB patches after bitching about not being connected .. I thought Microsoft ended the always online requirement? Very annoying.
Don't get me started on how overpriced Xbox Live and PS+ are, which are needed for a bulk of the games also available on PC with better graphics/free online.
BUT to a consoles defense, the Windows UI could be fixed up to work better in a living room environment. Valve almost did it with Big Picture and that works for a lot of people, personally I think it's really clunky like 2001 Xbox style.
RichiRamjag
Member
Well that's the majority of consumers tbh.
Yeah, that's accurate for everyone obviously...It's probably best to just admit that the experience isn't always seamless, but that it's still a great option for a large portion of people.
Best post here. Platform fanbois are gonna start going door to door soon enough to "preach the word".
Bl@de
Member
Yep. It's ALWAYS like this. 100%. I admit that it's not as comfortable like a console but this is hyperbole.
1. Start Desktop (in other room, don't even go near it during the week) with WOL via Smartphone or iPad.
2. Start HTPC.
3. Turn on TV.
3. Pick Up Xbox One Controller.
4. Press Xbox Guide button to start Steam in Big Picture mode.
5. Play Witcher 3 via In-Home Streaming with no problems.
- Windows 10 never restarts when playing a game
- With controller companion you don't need a mouse
- You don't configure games every launch. Only once. In the case of Witcher 3 that is 5-10 minutes for the next 150-200h playtime.
I don't have a lot of time and I don't care about having the best graphics or anything like that so between my 3DS, Vita, and PlayStation 4, that provides me with far more games that I can play that I'll ever have time to actually play. If I get to the point where I play everything I'm interested in for these platforms, then I'll likely jump into the Switch or Xbox One before PC.
Biggest reason is that my friends and brothers play on xbox...and they are on xbox mostly because of halo. Even if those games come to pc (and they have and are) since there is little cross play it will never be something i can switch to. Also its the competitve aspect...i prefer controller for most shooters (most of what i play) and playing pc games with controller is a bad choice.
The platform issues revolving around cheating makes me very very unlikely to play on pc. Missing games like destiny make it even more unlikely.
but the biggest reason is I work all day on computers and even as a hobby when i get home. I want an applicance for gaming..something that just works and i don't have to mess with at all.
EDIT: As others have said the only positive to PC Gaming is graphics (no interest in mods as i mostly play coop or multiplayer games). And that isn't worth it.
The platform issues revolving around cheating makes me very very unlikely to play on pc. Missing games like destiny make it even more unlikely.
but the biggest reason is I work all day on computers and even as a hobby when i get home. I want an applicance for gaming..something that just works and i don't have to mess with at all.
EDIT: As others have said the only positive to PC Gaming is graphics (no interest in mods as i mostly play coop or multiplayer games). And that isn't worth it.
LukasTaves
Member
Can I turn my pc and control it to start the game with only a controller?
Can I leave it in standby where all my games and the OS itself are always up to date, with no further interaction on my part and never have any delay whatsoever to play anygame I want?
Can I not be bothered to have the latest driver when a new game launches, otherwise it might have performance issues, and some times these same drivers causes issues with the game or even the system?
Can I have a unified system on pc to chat, party up and create gaming sessions with my friends without having to resort to other platforms to set everything up?
I have came back to pc gaming every now and then, but issues like that keep throwing me out, and until all those points are easily solvable I don't plan on giving pc gaming another try.
Can I leave it in standby where all my games and the OS itself are always up to date, with no further interaction on my part and never have any delay whatsoever to play anygame I want?
Can I not be bothered to have the latest driver when a new game launches, otherwise it might have performance issues, and some times these same drivers causes issues with the game or even the system?
Can I have a unified system on pc to chat, party up and create gaming sessions with my friends without having to resort to other platforms to set everything up?
I have came back to pc gaming every now and then, but issues like that keep throwing me out, and until all those points are easily solvable I don't plan on giving pc gaming another try.
FonkyByNature
Member
I used to be a huge pc gamer back in the days but i just can't deal with the troubles anymore.
Drivers configurations, updates, settings configurations, Windows fucking around... and on top of it is the exclusives. I love my PlayStation, Xbox and Nintendo exclusives that will never come to pc + consoles are just easy to use for everyone in the family and friends, it's plug and play and has standards in controllers.
To me and i say to me, pc gaming is annoying other than the graphics.
Drivers configurations, updates, settings configurations, Windows fucking around... and on top of it is the exclusives. I love my PlayStation, Xbox and Nintendo exclusives that will never come to pc + consoles are just easy to use for everyone in the family and friends, it's plug and play and has standards in controllers.
To me and i say to me, pc gaming is annoying other than the graphics.
*sigh* - seems like we have these fanboy wars threads on a weekly basis now.
People don't "refuse" to play games on PC, they just play games on whatever suits their boats. For some people it's a PC, a console, a phone, whatever. Just play your damn games and stop worrying about other people.
People don't "refuse" to play games on PC, they just play games on whatever suits their boats. For some people it's a PC, a console, a phone, whatever. Just play your damn games and stop worrying about other people.
Guardian Monkey
Member
You can't say they're no exclusives and then say three types of games don't count... even if you even take those categories out you still have way more PC exclusives.
Aztechnology
Member
I'm not even trying to argue that it's hardware that can't be used anymore. I'm saying from the metric the person I was quoting was using for "outdated". Something with decent forward compatibility doesn't really become outdated until it consistently can't play the games at an acceptable level anymore.
For me personally that's games that can't at least do 1080p 30fps consistently without dynamic resolution changes. But that is by no means the definition of outdated for many.
I lent my PS4 to my brother after I was done with Bloodborne (since there wasn't anything worthwhile to get) and he gave it back to me over the holidays. So yesterday I fired it up for the first time since BB release to try out Nioh and damn... after 2 minutes in the PSN I was already missing my PC.
It a crime to call something like the PSN a service.
It a crime to call something like the PSN a service.
boneyjangles
Member
Well, since you asked, from someone who spent their teens and early 20s hooked to a PC playing X-Wing, Civ, Quake, Counterstrike, you name it, starting on an overclocked 90hz CRT with an overclocked ps2 port mouse...
Logical Reaons
- my friends are on PS4, and I play less and less single player.
- i'm in my 30's and although many people seem to have consoles, hearing about people in this age group with gaming PC's is rare.
- I mostly play online social multiplayer FPS, i wouldn't be competitive on the couch with a controller if it was some kind of lounge PC setup attempt.
- i don't have time for strategy games any more, and honestly, I could probably just prefer to play them on my laptop if I did. Shouldn't need horsepower for strategy.
Feels...
- the gap between console and PC has become harder to see. For you, that might mean, 'why console any more' for me that's 'why PC any more?"
- i get tweaking and performance anxiety on PC, on console I just enjoy the game, as an OCD part of my brain switches off.
- I actually now prefer playing with a controller, again, even on multiplayer FPS. Mouse is a precise but somewhat silly to me as a control method in hindsight.
- i have no interest in having a PC cluttering up my lounge, and i think PC's look ugly, even the most high end minimal fancy lian-li
- time is money, and building and maintaining a PC is more costly to me in time than PSN Plus is in money.
- not a fan of windows, and Valves Steam OS (and associated Steam Boxes) hasn't taken off to the extent I would like.
- if anything, playing stuff like Grim Fandango / KOTOR on my iPad has made my PS4 look a bit cumbersome and inconvenient in comparison. In that way the switch appeals to me. So going back to PC would feel like the opposite trend. Even less compact and neat, and more tethered.
- Last I looked, gaming monitors are a ridiculous expense.
Logical Reaons
- my friends are on PS4, and I play less and less single player.
- i'm in my 30's and although many people seem to have consoles, hearing about people in this age group with gaming PC's is rare.
- I mostly play online social multiplayer FPS, i wouldn't be competitive on the couch with a controller if it was some kind of lounge PC setup attempt.
- i don't have time for strategy games any more, and honestly, I could probably just prefer to play them on my laptop if I did. Shouldn't need horsepower for strategy.
Feels...
- the gap between console and PC has become harder to see. For you, that might mean, 'why console any more' for me that's 'why PC any more?"
- i get tweaking and performance anxiety on PC, on console I just enjoy the game, as an OCD part of my brain switches off.
- I actually now prefer playing with a controller, again, even on multiplayer FPS. Mouse is a precise but somewhat silly to me as a control method in hindsight.
- i have no interest in having a PC cluttering up my lounge, and i think PC's look ugly, even the most high end minimal fancy lian-li
- time is money, and building and maintaining a PC is more costly to me in time than PSN Plus is in money.
- not a fan of windows, and Valves Steam OS (and associated Steam Boxes) hasn't taken off to the extent I would like.
- if anything, playing stuff like Grim Fandango / KOTOR on my iPad has made my PS4 look a bit cumbersome and inconvenient in comparison. In that way the switch appeals to me. So going back to PC would feel like the opposite trend. Even less compact and neat, and more tethered.
- Last I looked, gaming monitors are a ridiculous expense.
biglittleps
Member
It's as outdated as old graphics cards are outdated but still able to play games with some sacrifices to framerate.
Sure? Starcitizen, Pillars of Eternity, Mount & Blade, Asylum, Grim Dawn, Wreckfest, Unreal Tournament for example. All of these are very different games and not in the genres you mentioned which is pretty silly restriction. And ofcourse there are timed exclusives too which I didn't list. How about you give me a list of Playstation exclusives that aren't 3rd person action games, Dreams and Gran Turismo?
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