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[HStallion]

http://wccftech.com/horizon-zero-dawn-gpu-based-procedural-tech/

This doesn't sound quite like the procedural generation I was thinking of. This sounds more like inserting items and things into the world around Aloy and not about generating content in the form of something like No Man's Sky. In fact it sounds like something more on the developers side of things to help streamline game creation and content editing unless I'm misunderstanding it. Still cool but its not like they're generating random robo creatures for you to fight or anything like that or anything that translates into stuff directly affecting the player on the fly.

Well, this.

I forgot about this though this isn't really doing anything all that crazy in terms of procedural generation. Its basically generating a basic quest line probably out of some templates to give you a piece of crafting material.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

This doesn't sound quite like the procedural generation I was thinking of. This sounds more like inserting items and things into the world around Aloy and not about generating content in the form of something like No Man's Sky. Still cool.



I forgot about this though this isn't really doing anything all that crazy in terms of procedural generation. Its basically generating a basic quest line probably out of some templates to give you a piece of crafting material.

No, it is not. But it's still a great feature.

 

[HStallion]

No, it is not. But it's still a great feature.

That I agree on. While I don't mind the grind, there is sometimes I just want one fucking item so I can get my armor or finish a quest or something along those lines and don't want to rely on rare drops.

 

[DemWalls]

Hmm strange you present your pe conceived notions as fact.The impressions we have so far from many media outlets at E3 and PSX is that the gameplay is ace and controls are very tight for an open world game.

Also for the soundtrack I like the stuff I've heard so far. The tribal vibes it echoes fit pretty well and the main theme is really cool. But I get that in particular is subjective.

Writing is a toss up, we have to wait until release to judge that. They've hired outside help from the likes of CD Projekt so that's encouraging.
Fair enough if you choose to be very pessimistic though.

Doesn't seem to me I presented anything as fact, that certainly wasn't my intention. Don't take this as condescendence, but maybe you misread could as would?

Anyway, to be clear: the only preconceived notion I have about a game made by Guerrilla is that technically it will be excellent. As for the rest, I just don't like to take anything for granted. This is true for any game, by any developer, no matter their previous works. To make another example, I don't already believe that Cyberpunk will have great writing just because TW 3 did. It's more complicated than that, I think.

 

[LastMinuteHero]

To all those crying downgrade:
https://mobile.twitter.com/dejongemathijs/status/823857930428682240

 

[wapplew]

To all those crying downgrade:
https://mobile.twitter.com/dejongemathijs/status/823857930428682240

You know, you really are the last minute hero.

 

[StoopKid]

I bet a 7.5/10 from polygon.

And JosefStaling give <=7.5 like TLG and GR2

Watch gies review it lol.

 

[LastMinuteHero]

I bet a 7.5/10 from polygon.

And JosefStaling give <=7.5 like TLG and GR2

Off topic but I didn't know junior members can come back from a ban. Maybe you really are kaz hirai

You know, you really are the last minute hero.

Haha

Spoiler

I really should have picked a better username

 

[GIANKRATOS]

To all those crying downgrade:
https://mobile.twitter.com/dejongemathijs/status/823857930428682240

"Well, of course he wouldn't admit that, but the very compressed and low quality video we saw clearly demonstrate the opposite."

 

[LastMinuteHero]

"Well, of course he wouldn't admit that, but the very compressed and low quality video we saw clearly demonstrate the opposite."

Well at least you got that out of the way

Spoiler

someone's totally going to use line huh?

 

[DemWalls]

Well at least you got that out of the way

Spoiler

someone's totally going to use line huh?

I was actually thinking of using the part up to the second comma. Not that I believe in a downgrade, as it should be clear from my previous posts, but asking the devs such questions is pointless, you won't get any other answer. Even CDPR, which usually are "the good guys", basically denied TW 3's downgrade.

 

[DriftingSpirit]

What is the history of downgrades with Sony first party studios this gen? I don't think looking at third party devs on that matter is relevant.

 

[viHuGi]

Lmao @ people saying downgrade from a 144p video, here for Goty contender.

 

[Khalifa Jayy]

What is the history of downgrades with Sony first party studios this gen? I don't think looking at third party devs on that matter is relevant.

Shadow Fall lived up to it's reveal, I believe.

UC4 is the best looking game this gen.

Infamous also revealed and launched looking incredible.

So there's three in the positive camp.

 

[Tyaren]

To all those crying downgrade:
https://mobile.twitter.com/dejongemathijs/status/823857930428682240

The question was:
"Has Horizon Zero Dawn been downgraded since E3?"

First of of all, downgraded in what regard? The question could have been a little clearer.
Secondly, no developer ever would answer a question like that truthfully with something like:
Why, yes, of course! So nice of you to notice!

So that Tweet and answer aren't really worth anything.
That being said, let's wait a little more, we should have previews and reviews including gameplay of the retail version in the coming days. Then we can judge.

 

[tkscz]

Context needed

 

[Kenzodielocke]

The question was:
"Has Horizon Zero Dawn been downgraded since E3?"

First of of all, downgraded in what regard? The question could have been a little clearer.
Secondly, no developer ever would answer a question like that truthfully with something like:
Why, yes, of course! So nice of you to notice!

So that Tweet and answer aren't really worth anything.
That being said, let's wait a little more, we should have previews and reviews including gameplay of the retail version in the coming days. Then we can judge.

The developer could choose not to answer. Now, if there are downgrades, even little ones, people make him accountable with his tweet.

 

[HStallion]

Context needed

Its obvious that Horizon is actually based on a true story.

 

[Gudji]

Context needed

Just pictures of the event.

People are still talking about a downgrade? Hilarious. What one video made by some hater does to people heads is kind of unbelievable.

 

[vivekTO]

To all those crying downgrade:
https://mobile.twitter.com/dejongemathijs/status/823857930428682240

Well, of course he wouldn't admit that, but the very compressed and low quality video we saw clearly demonstrate the opposite

 

[LastMinuteHero]

Shadow Fall lived up to it's reveal, I believe.

UC4 is the best looking game this gen.

Infamous also revealed and launched looking incredible.

So there's three in the positive camp.

Didn't inFamous get a slight upgrade and uncharted as well? And yes mathijs could choose to remain silent on the matter but he opted not to.

 

[Tyaren]

The developer could choose not to answer. Now, if there are downgrades, even little ones, people make him accountable with his tweet.

Giving "alternative facts" isn't unheard of at all in the gaming industry.
Also, that question was so vague...that could have meant anything. So the answer could mean anything too. Maybe he didn't even understand what that question was relating to.

As I said before, apart from the blurry (unloaded?) textures in that very compressed video I think I see a noticable downgrade in vegetation density and especially LOD.

There is a very clear LOD quality reduction noticable with these trees.

The lighting also looks downgraded but that could just appear this way because the video compression also messed up the contrast. We will have to wait and see. We shouldn't jump the gun yet.

 

[xxracerxx]

Where is that guy that gets a hard-on for lush forests? We need his opinion on the downgrade!

 

[Khalifa Jayy]

Didn't inFamous get a slight upgrade and uncharted as well? And yes mathijs could choose to remain silent on the matter but he opted not to.

I think infamous did, not sure about UC4. I think that one tracked along pretty well the entire time.

 

[Shin-Ra]

Doyouthinkhesaurus?

 

[DemWalls]

What is the history of downgrades with Sony first party studios this gen? I don't think looking at third party devs on that matter is relevant.

If you were referring to what I wrote, first, second or third party, it doesn't matter; every developer will hardly (ie: never) admit that their game will be "worse" than what was promised.

 

[DriftingSpirit]

If you were referring to what I wrote, first, second or third party, it doesn't matter; every developer will hardly (ie: never) admit that their game will be "worse" than what was promised.

Well, that can be investigated after release and I don't think Sony first party devs are notorious for that sort of thing.

 

[LastMinuteHero]

Where is that guy that gets a hard-on for lush forests? We need his opinion on the downgrade!

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I think infamous did, not sure about UC4. I think that one tracked along pretty well the entire time.

I thought so, so if anything the 1st party studios have a consistent track record of maintaining their graphical quality.

 

[DemWalls]

Well, that can be investigated after release and I don't think Sony first party devs are notorious for that sort of thing.

And this is exactly the modus operandi I support. Speaking of a downgrade before having a game, as sometimes happens even years before release ("this demo was downgraded with respect to last E3's!"), is, quite simply, ridiculous.

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

Looks interesting enough. Sorta Mad Max meets King Kong. Facial animations still bugging the hell out of me, but whatever.

 

[GravityInsanity]

I hope there is wine and beer in the game where npc's get drunk similar to The Witcher 3. I always enjoy that in RPG games.

 

[LastMinuteHero]

I hope there is wine and beer in the game where npc's get drunk similar to The Witcher 3. I always enjoy that in RPG games.

Rated T game though

 

[GravityInsanity]

Rated T game though

I forgot.

 

[DemWalls]

I hope there is wine and beer in the game where npc's get drunk similar to The Witcher 3. I always enjoy that in RPG games.

I don't think it will be that kind of RPG.

 

[Primethius]

Giving "alternative facts" isn't unheard of at all in the gaming industry.
Also, that question was so vague...that could have meant anything. So the answer could mean anything too. Maybe he didn't even understand what that question was relating to.

As I said before, apart from the blurry (unloaded?) textures in that very compressed video I think I see a noticable downgrade in vegetation density and especially LOD.

There is a very clear LOD quality reduction noticable with these trees.

The lighting also looks downgraded but that could just appear this way because the video compression also messed up the contrast. We will have to wait and see. We shouldn't jump the gun yet.

It's pretty much impossible to tell and confirm given that the highlighted tree is different and the massive difference in video quality.

 

[LastMinuteHero]

I forgot.

Eh who knows maybe they'll find a way to convey a similar imagery

 

[MegaSackman]

Shadow Fall lived up to it's reveal, I believe.

UC4 is the best looking game this gen.

Infamous also revealed and launched looking incredible.

So there's three in the positive camp.

People were pushing a downgrade argument on U4 comparing the E3 teaser with the PSX 2015 demo or some other.

I'd say it took too long for people to start the downgrade argument on Horzion, I mean we are a month away from release.

 

[Zera_Bloodwinter]

God I hope the game play mechanics match the cinema because this shit looks amazing.

 

[I Eat Thumbtacks]

Hmm strange you present your pe conceived notions as fact.The impressions we have so far from many media outlets at E3 and PSX is that the gameplay is ace and controls are very tight for an open world game.

Also for the soundtrack I like the stuff I've heard so far. The tribal vibes it echoes fit pretty well and the main theme is really cool. But I get that in particular is subjective.

Writing is a toss up, we have to wait until release to judge that. They've hired outside help from the likes of CD Projekt so that's encouraging.
Fair enough if you choose to be very pessimistic though.

Source? I've seen people say this quite a few times already. I just thought they hired quest designers from CDPR, not writers.

 

[MegaSackman]

Source? I've seen people say this quite a few times already. I just thought they hired quest designers from CDPR, not writers.

True, quest designers and stuff from CDPR, new lead writer is from Fallout New Vegas.

 

[lukeskymac]

As I said before, apart from the blurry (unloaded?) textures in that very compressed video I think I see a noticable downgrade in vegetation density and especially LOD.

Or maybe they just changed the terrain in the many months since that demo? Come on.

 

[Tyaren]

Or maybe they just changed the terrain in the many months since that demo? Come on.

You don't need to "come on" me. I am just stating what I see on these images. I'm not the one who started the downgrade crying and I am also not even claiming there was definitely one.
Repeating myself here: Lets wait for HQ footage and see.

 

[I Eat Thumbtacks]

True, quest designers and stuff from CDPR, new lead writer is from Fallout New Vegas.

While it would be nice to have some writers from CDPR working on Horizon, I'd rather have them focus their efforts on Cyberpunk 2077.

 

[ElfArmy177]

Giving "alternative facts" isn't unheard of at all in the gaming industry.
Also, that question was so vague...that could have meant anything. So the answer could mean anything too. Maybe he didn't even understand what that question was relating to.

As I said before, apart from the blurry (unloaded?) textures in that very compressed video I think I see a noticable downgrade in vegetation density and especially LOD.

There is a very clear LOD quality reduction noticable with these trees.

The lighting also looks downgraded but that could just appear this way because the video compression also messed up the contrast. We will have to wait and see. We shouldn't jump the gun yet.

You "think"? Look if you're not sure then... Why are people arguing?

Man it's like when I turn ambient occlusion from 5-4... Yea if you look really hard you may notice... But if someone turned it off in the middle of playing and you're engrossed in the game you better bet your ass your not gonna notice

 

[LastMinuteHero]

*snip*

For the new page

 

[ShemhazaiX]

Giving "alternative facts" isn't unheard of at all in the gaming industry.
Also, that question was so vague...that could have meant anything. So the answer could mean anything too. Maybe he didn't even understand what that question was relating to.

As I said before, apart from the blurry (unloaded?) textures in that very compressed video I think I see a noticable downgrade in vegetation density and especially LOD.

There is a very clear LOD quality reduction noticable with these trees.

The lighting also looks downgraded but that could just appear this way because the video compression also messed up the contrast. We will have to wait and see. We shouldn't jump the gun yet.

The reason there's a difference is because the camera is pointing in a different direction in both pictures. It's not a cutscene, it's dialogue and it's based on where the NPC is stood.

 

[MaKTaiL]

As I said before: the downgrade could be as simple as PS4 Pro ----> PS4 screenshots.

 

[LastMinuteHero]

As I said before: the downgrade could be as simple as PS4 Pro ----> PS4 screenshots.

Or as stated and shown above

 

[MaKTaiL]

Or as stated and shown above

What was shown above?

 

[LastMinuteHero]

What was shown above?

sleeper's comparison pics and if you choose to believe it, dejongemathis' tweet