ShockingAlberto
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The people who voted for him, even and especially those who swore up and down they did not do it for racist reasons, are 100% getting exactly what they want.
Trump orders publishing of weekly list of crimes committed by undocumented immigrants
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EatinOlives
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Interesting that you actively are avoiding talking about the actual topic, though.
NarrowPath
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I think Trump is trying to sell the wall so he wants to spotlight illegal immigrant crime to do so. I think Trump wants to be seen as a protector of the US (Citizens). With the Hitler comparisons frequently made I can see how some illegals worry they would be targeted even though they have no criminal record. I don't want illegals to be deported unless they have committed serious crimes. Canada won't even let you in if you have a DUI, IIRC. I am not terribly bothered by the highlighting of crimes generally, most cities have arrest records and court proceedings published.
Trump is a neophyte politician who happened to get elected to the top spot so I don't take everything he says literally, his words don't necessarily frighten me but I can understand how others would feel. Many people from either side feel that the leadership of the other side is plain evil. That's a shame.
Except every action he's taken this week is something he literally said he'd do.
teruterubozu
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Uhhh, what about when he signs executive orders? That's as literal as it gets.
ThatCrazyGuy
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How will we benefit from this wall? Is this money well spent on this wall? Wouldn't this money be better spent somewhere else?
Would you support this kind of list other groups of people of our choosing? All government or white house workers?
And I see you are playing both sides are the same now?
And he has signed all the actions. Is that not literal enough? When does his actions become literal.
As a separate example, we have a real possibility of families being entirely torn apart due to getting rid of DACA and you want to designate them as "complaints"?
I am sorry, you may view yourself as "reasonable," but I would bet dollars to donuts that you're lacking in empathy. It doesn't take some Herculean effort to "understand" why people would be against some of his policies, let alone the ones brought up today.
If you are actually going to support his ideologies, go ahead. If not, don't run off and play the "but they're attacking me!" victim card when you support a platform that is actively antagonizing a subset of people in the country. Some folks, even on GAF here, won't have the luxury of playing the victim card when immigration workers comes knocking on their door (and don't tell me that "Trump won't do it" when he's trying to do it now)
Propaganda via exclusion of facts.
Also, you have to actually be proven, in court, if you're actually illegal. There's no way to legally say X crime was committed by an illegal immigrant because you have to prove via trial that they are. So the list would have no legal weight. So if even if we were to entertain the insanity, you're literally just letting Brietbart shitpost on the government record.
I can 100% guarantee you this weekly report will contain even the most petty crimes to fluff up it's "numbers".
"Build the wall", ordered wall built.
Said he was going to ban Syrian refugees, banning Syrian refugees.. which aren't a problem for us.
Wanted military parade at inauguration, the DoD said no because the tanks would have destroyed the street.
Said he was going to kill the Dream act, is in the process of doing so.
NarrowPath
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the other piece is the sanctuary cities, obviously Trump wants to get rid of them, which I agree with. I think some amnesty and path toward citizenship is needed
No, you don't. Empathetic people don't support Nazis.
How about the defunding of the sanctuary cities is done AFTER the amnesty and path to citizenship rather than BEFORE the fact, what you're going to end up doing is plant uncertainty and fear into the undocumented population, the whole thing is stupid and unconstitutional either way.
How About No
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Sorry NarrowPath! As the country gets shittier and shittier for the majority of democratic voters, we'll be sure to keep your feelings in mind
The definition of sanctuary cities per the conservative groups that invented the term are cities that require actual legal process to detain someone, ie requires warrants and the other basic legal process requirements. IE following the Constitution.
My home city is considered a sanctuary city because it requires warrants, just like for anyone else in the US, because the Constitution applies to anyone standing on US soil. It votes like 80% republican. You have literally never heard it referred to as one of the sanctuary cities, but it's on Brietbart and other conservative groups lists as one, and has been there for the past 10 years. It's projected to pass a million people in population in 2022.
What anti-sanctuary-city people want is mass roundups and deportation without due process.
You really think they're going to be presented on the same page? The people this is supposed to rile up aren't going to go out of their way to contextualize this.
You're right, we're not being politically correct enough. My apologies.
I don't think now is the time to try and claim that Trump doesn't mean what he says, considering he is in the process of publically doing those things. The window of plausible deniability is a sliver at best at this point.
And the word "illegal" is an adjective, not a noun. I understand it may be difficult to view people different from you as complete human beings, but it doesn't mean you can't try - and the first step is to refer to undocumented immigrants as people. You can still call them "illegal people" or any other sort of name to get your feelings across, so I'm really not asking for much.
I'm not gonna dogpile on the empathy angle because OT is pretty brutal and I sometimes find myself struggling to feel the way I think I should. But do you see how incompatible these two are? You want these people to have a path to citizenship, but our current system is woefully inadequate for both the volume and types of labor that we need. The largely illegal, migrant agricultural workforce sustains our domestic food production. It's asking these people to come forward and try to do right by the system while also telling them the system is going to fuck them because you've removed all of their protections.
How do you reconcile your views on reform with his antagonism towards DACA? These are children that have never made any deliberate decisions concerning their own citizenship status, they came as children and I'd wager a majority of the time are completely assimilated, often speaking two languages which is a great skill to have and they just want a fair shake.
Definitely not. I just don't know that it will mean much to anyone other than his most ardent supporters. I mean if NBC tosses it up on the evening news with I don't know, 800 crimes reported this week, which in a vacuum is a scary number, but then says NYPD reported twice that figure for a city of 8 million, I don't see how that retains any of its power. NYC isn't exactly a warzone, it's not 1985.
He's getting rid of DACA and I'm willing to bet there won't be reform; that in itself is incredibly worrying. Hundreds of thousands of working adults will suddenly be forced out.
Oracle has lots of databases to build!
DACA people who've lived for decades in the US and worked and everything are already about to be deported to countries they've never even been to.
His fucking executive orders are leaking and yall taking these dudes seriously when they say "Oh he's just saying this stuff I don't believe he will do them". That's horse crap. They will continue saying that until he passes this crap then they won't comment at all. Anyone not coming out in instant defiance to this stuff is all for it. These dudes are playing y'all.
The mans literally in office signing executive orders. Your "He won't REALLY do that" shit doesn't work anymore. Just own up to supporting this abhorrent stuff or go silent like the rest of them.
The mans literally in office signing executive orders. Your "He won't REALLY do that" shit doesn't work anymore. Just own up to supporting this abhorrent stuff or go silent like the rest of them.
tearsintherain
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Some sanctuary cities right now have orders to their police not to turn over any detained illegal immigrants, even those convicted of crimes and who complete their sentence, to federal agents unless they are served with an order from a judge. So when ICE or the FBI send over a "hey, this guy you just convicted and jailed for drunk driving is an illegal immigrant, so we'd like to start deportation proceedings on him" they refuse to do that. Its not all of them, 99 counties accept federal requests and 68 decline. Its also to do with whether local police help feds enforce immigration laws.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/sanctuary-cities/
Now of course the extreme is that the feds just start rounding up illegal immigrants and use local cops as muscle, and that is of course a valid concern. But still, there are many cases of cities like San Francisco releasing illegal immigrants from jail and then those people going on to murder, rape, rob normal citizens. In some cases the feds had even requested those people for deportation but the sanctuary cities ignored the requests.
http://kron4.com/2016/02/25/only-on...-killing-stacey-aguilar-is-illegal-immigrant/
Massive Duck. C.M.
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I personally think this is exactly what the Trump voters and the GOP want. The blatant racism is part of his appeal and not many, if any, Trump supporters would be against this. So people can let go of "I wonder when the Trump voters will speak up and against the fascism?" or "Hopefully the Republicans will do something real soon". None of these people are coming to stop him, he's doing exactly what these people want.
100% true.
UberTag
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This right here is why we saw dramatic responses from California, Minnesota, New York City, Boston, Seattle and others at 4:00pm Eastern this afternoon.
And, frankly, the fact that most of those press conferences were coordinated to occur at the same time makes me hopeful that there's an organized communications network out there set up by the Resistance already firmly in place.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7c_-EipVKs&t=122s[/URL]
Yes.
There is no universe where the mythical moderate Trump supporter wouldn't be outraged by the past week and turned on him.
Where are these people?
Even a SINGLE one of them?
They chose to stand down when the hammer came this week. No quarter, no sympathy, and no conversation with them.
I'm done.
WiiredShawn
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You don't have to take what he says literally. Just don't be mad when more reasonable people don't take you seriously.
Magnifique!
FTFY
UberTag
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Just think of all of the new jobs for REAL Americans that will be freed up once that happens.
(Yes, this is the way this madman thinks. He considers this to be JOB CREATION.)
theignoramus
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"Black rape gangs".......
lol
They're deluded. They don't realize they're all brown faces to white people.
Trumpers don't care. In fact, they actively welcome this. They, undoubtedly, see nothing wrong with the moves Trump is making. They celebrate it. These last few days might as well have been the second coming for them. For a while I've thought maybe they're not all racist shitheads. Maybe they did vote for "economic reasons." But it's false. They're exactly what we all truly know they are. Trump's followers are beyond redemption and human decency.
And what, pray tell, can trumpers provide to this discussion?
BlueTsunami
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A position that could literally be named Propaganda Minister
Twitters existence is justified due to these string of tweets
this also applies to what "facts" will be produced from this measure
Twitters existence is justified due to these string of tweets
He did it.
Took him 80 goddamn years.
But he fucking did it.
He finally won.
You know, if you shave the stupid mustache and paint him orange ......
He did it.
Took him 80 goddamn years.
But he fucking did it.
He finally won.
Hundreds of thousands of Americans died to stop this evil and we willingly let it in.
Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.
It's called Twitter. it was used to great effect shortly after Trump's victory to showcase the lunacy of the desperate whites
this also applies to what "facts" will be produced from this measure
This situation is starting to look hopeless.
Amazing.
this also applies to what "facts" will be produced from this measure
This is exactly correct, but how do you stop it?
Then how do you feel about him not renewing DACA? How can you support him knowing that these people are being thrown out, many of them not even remembering living in another country?
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