2016-17 TV Cancellations Thread: TNT finds "Nothing can come of nothing."

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Seeso actually has a bunch of shows I'd like to watch but it's US only so whatever. Hopefully that content shows up somewhere at some time.

Well seniors and Sci-Fi nerds but Sci-Fi nerds.

Unfortunately for CBS there are probably a lot of Sci-Fi nerds who know how to pirate TV shows. Fortunately for CBS seniors don't know to do that but how many are going to subscribe to streaming service? How many even own a device that could stream CBS All Access?

They probably all own some kind of device that can, whether they want to learn to use a new service is a completely different question.

If Star Trek is half decent, Netflix will pick it up after it bombs on All Access. They've got the rights to it everywhere else in the world.
 

GJ Ratsky, is that list in order (or top 10 has no order and its just the 10 best?)

Either way, Stranger Things baby :D

I see OJ in there also, I was just about to say its coming to my region's netflix in february and I remember you guys praising it.

edit: oh lol at the Penny series finale being in the top fails, man I loved season 1 but havent gone back yet, waiting for all of it to be on netflix
 
I forgot this was a thing.

I also forgot Vessel was a thing.

I forgot this was a thing.
I never forget! (pls ignore the part in that post where I said I forgot about go90)

Was Vessel ever a thing?
Sometimes I wonder how these platforms like Fullscreen and Seeso could possibly be making any money. There's no way, right? The only time I even hear them being spoken about is when a comedian is talking about some new deal they have there. Anytime I see that a new streaming platform "for millennials" is launching, I know exactly what it'll turn into. They'll grab a bunch of Youtubers and have them create very cheap and uninteresting content, and then burn them off after a few months and scramble at something else. Most of these Youtube/Instagram/Vine comedians are bottom of the barrel hacks. You got some folks who have done super creative things, but the vast majority are amateur hour. And when you give them a slightly bigger spotlight it becomes glaringly obvious.

Seeso is a little better and gets "real" comics and people that can actually write. But with them I don't think it's even an issue of quality, it's time. I have Netflix, Hulu, HBO Now, Starz, and Amazon Prime Instant. You could literally give me a great streaming platform for free and I probably wouldn't watch it. There isn't enough time or attention span. These platforms need to chill. And if you're gonna take a shot at it, have something like Broad City or Search Party at least so theres a chance people might get interested.
Yeah I think this is fairly accurate. It kind of ignores the segment of the population which don't subscribe to Netflix/etc. but are ardent youtube watchers.

Now this is where things get a bit more complex than just "targeting millennials". I'm sure that they have market research and they're just giving a simplified message to media/investors but millennials aren't a cohesive hivemind (shocking, I know), and the millennial who binges every single show Netflix puts out and the millennial who subscribes to 50 different youtubers (and follow them on every social media outlet imaginable) are not the same audience and are not going to want the same things.
The youtube audience is the trickier one, and I think it is the one which a lot of major media outlets is failing to "get". There is a willingness in this audience to spend money (a lot of youtubers sell a lot of tat, patreon, etc.), but I'm not sure they want to spend it on a streaming service where they might just like one show/person. Which is the second problem, youtubers aren't a cohesive thing either. If you're going to go with hiring youtubers, you should hire people with audience overlap because, as I said before, I'm not sure they want to spend money if they like one show/person.

It's interesting that announcements of stuff for e.g. Fullscreen can reach a pretty "wide audience". As long as it's the creator tweeting about it, but then it's the question if it only reaches the hardcore fans and how many of those retweets end up being subscribers.

The problem with Seeso might not be the quality of their stuff, but I think it's fair to say that Seeso is at best doing so-so (get it? I'm so funny, give me a show Fullscreen). And I'm not even sure that time is the problem, the biggest problem is that comedy isn't a unique selling point. Netflix has original comedies and original stand up specials, so what you need to get is a stand out show to break through the noise and I don't think they have one (or are very likely to ever get one). It doesn't help that their branding is fucking terrible ("hand-picked comedy", "artisanal mix of new comedies")
Bingo. Millennials aren't clamoring for another streaming service because they already have one. It's called Netflix and it's truly more than enough for the average person. (and if it's not, there are a host of other very strong alternatives/supplements like you said.)
Now, a streaming service geared towards another demographic might work, like one aimed at seniors or conservative/religious people, but even then...
Dammit, someone already made the CBS All Access joke.

But niche streaming platforms are definitely the way to go if you don't have the funds to take on Netflix/Hulu/Amazon. Acorn TV went from 195,000 to 430,000+ subscribers in 2016, and I think they have the right idea and the right price point to be a compliment to Netflix/Hulu/Amazon rather than a competitor.

Also regarding conservative/religious streaming there was this religious streaming service which would edit out content (e.g. swearing) in films and shows based on the preferences of its subscribers but they got sued (and lost). And I think Pureflix is doing a streaming service, so that ground is getting covered.
I just assume they're created to show "losses" on the balance sheet of their parent corporations to reduce their tax burdens. That or to launder money.
This is way more plausible than it should be.
 
Or to illustrate the issue for Fullscreen:
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Note: "might"
 
Bingo. Millennials aren't clamoring for another streaming service because they already have one. It's called Netflix and it's truly more than enough for the average person. (and if it's not, there are a host of other very strong alternatives/supplements like you said.)

Now, a streaming service geared towards another demographic might work, like one aimed at seniors or conservative/religious people, but even then...

I don't know how to do it any other way -__-

So much this. I have Crunchroll for my animu, Netflix for TV/Movies and a personal Plex server for everything in between.

I have Hulu until the end of March (through cheap gift cards), but once that runs out I'm pretty much done with it since I never use it.

And I'm a HEAVY user, I watch about 10x the stuff an average normal person would watch on a good day, there's no reason for any normal consumer to have more than Netflix, don't even need cable.
 
ABC ran nothing but reruns except for Agents of SHIELD? That's interesting.
 
I had completely forgotten that Fullscreen even existed as a thing. It's going to be interesting to see what happens with that (given that it's part owned by AT&T) post Time Warner merger.

But I'm curious to see where the likes of Apple and Facebook (the rumours of both entering the OTT and/or SVOD market are endless) end up and how much it's going to cost them to fight for a share of the market when even Hulu is stepping up its game.

Netflix continues as the category leader, although its growth has slowed in the United States due to price increases and a market that’s become increasingly saturated. It’s likely to close 2016 with close to 48 million paid subscribers in the U.S. compared to Amazon’s estimated 30.5 million and Hulu’s 12 million (after losses due to the discontinuation of its free offering).

http://www.ooyala.com/videomind/blog/amazon-prime-video-growth-outpace-netflix-hulu-falls

I'm curious to see where more specific SVOD services, like Warners apparent platform which would include exclusive DCU 'channels' built upon DreamFever fall as well.
 
I woulda subscribed to Seeso, they just never brought it to Canada and now lukewarm Word of Mouth would make it Dead On Arrival anyway.
 
I just assume they're created to show "losses" on the balance sheet of their parent corporations to reduce their tax burdens. That or to launder money.

Its more throw money at something and see if it works. They have probably dumped less money than people think and these f grade online shows don't cost much to make.
 
I'm almost caught up with the CW DC shows. Just finished the crossover event. That was alright. One more episode of each show to go, and then I can watch this week's episodes.
 
telling people to cncel Netflix for their own service is like telling PC gamers to uninstall Steam and just use Origin
 
telling people to cncel Netflix for their own service is like telling PC gamers to uninstall Steam and just use Origin
I find it ironic that people complain about cable and phone company monopolies, just to replace it with another monopoly. lol

'The Middle' Renewed for Ninth Season at ABC

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/liv...-at-abc-968395

I like this show and I'm glad it'll be on for another year.
I honestly don't know how far this university they go to is supposed to be, since they just stopped worrying about the characters going to college and have them show up at the house every week.

It's the same with Modern Family, where they made the two daughters basically drop out of school in order to keep them home. At that point, why not just invent a fake university in the town they live in? lol
 
I honestly don't know how far this university they go to is supposed to be, since they just stopped worrying about the characters going to college and have them show up at the house every week.

It's the same with Modern Family, where they made the two daughters basically drop out of school in order to keep them home. At that point, why not just invent a fake university in the town they live in? lol

Isn't Axl graduating next year? The episode last week was him trying to find a job after college only to find out that he should've started like a year or two ago.

And Sue interacts with the rest of the family maybe 3/4 of the time. The last episode she didn't even see them at all.

Modern Family really screwed up how they handled Haley and Alex going to college. Haley I get, she wasn't cut out for college. Alex though? Mono? Really? I wonder what excuses they're gonna use for Luke and Manny not going to college.
 
Isn't Axl graduating next year? The episode last week was him trying to find a job after college only to find out that he should've started like a year or two ago.

And Sue interacts with the rest of the family maybe 3/4 of the time. The last episode she didn't even see them at all.

Modern Family really screwed up how they handled Haley and Alex going to college. Haley I get, she wasn't cut out for college. Alex though? Mono? Really? I wonder what excuses they're gonna use for Luke and Manny not going to college.
I have no idea how big Indiana is, but the way both kids just show up at home makes it seem like the college is minutes away... which makes me wonder why they made a big deal about them moving out in the first place. lol

I assume Real O'Neals will have to deal with this too in a couple of years... and Goldbergs too, come to think of it.
 
But niche streaming platforms are definitely the way to go if you don't have the funds to take on Netflix/Hulu/Amazon. Acorn TV went from 195,000 to 430,000+ subscribers in 2016, and I think they have the right idea and the right price point to be a compliment to Netflix/Hulu/Amazon rather than a competitor.

Also regarding conservative/religious streaming there was this religious streaming service which would edit out content (e.g. swearing) in films and shows based on the preferences of its subscribers but they got sued (and lost). And I think Pureflix is doing a streaming service, so that ground is getting covered.

Someone really should do a service that subs Nordic/Euro/Latin American/Middle Eastern shows - like Acorn TV but for shows from the rest of the world. I could see that being a mild success.

That actually isn't a bad idea - a service with "TV edited" movies for religious people. Figures they'd get sued though.

Pureflix? Oh.
 
Funny, Acorn has Canadian shows too.

Someone really should do a service that subs Nordic/Euro/Latin American/Middle Eastern shows - like Acorn TV but for shows from the rest of the world. I could see that being a mild success.

That actually isn't a bad idea - a service with "TV edited" movies for religious people. Figures they'd get sued though.

Pureflix? Oh.
The British networks seem to grab the Nordic shows and broadcast/stream them themselves.

I still find it kind of strange that only Asian shows have dedicated enough fans to do fansubbing... but maybe that's just the nerd culture + skilled people intersection coming together. God knows almost everyone who used to fansub is basically working in the industry in some way or another.
 
Isn't Axl graduating next year? The episode last week was him trying to find a job after college only to find out that he should've started like a year or two ago.

And Sue interacts with the rest of the family maybe 3/4 of the time. The last episode she didn't even see them at all.

Modern Family really screwed up how they handled Haley and Alex going to college. Haley I get, she wasn't cut out for college. Alex though? Mono? Really? I wonder what excuses they're gonna use for Luke and Manny not going to college.

Yeah. Modern Family really blew it. You're telling me Alex isn't working her ass off to get back on track? No mention of school for her at all.

I have no idea how big Indiana is, but the way both kids just show up at home makes it seem like the college is minutes away... which makes me wonder why they made a big deal about them moving out in the first place. lol

I assume Real O'Neals will have to deal with this too in a couple of years... and Goldbergs too, come to think of it.

Erica on Goldbergs had an episode putting an application out to Penn State. So it's going to be pretty soon that they need to do something about that.
 
I assume The Real O'Neals will have to deal with this too in a couple of years... and Goldbergs too, come to think of it.

Unfortunately, I doubt we'll get to see what will happen in the future for The Real O'Neals. It's currently the lowest rated comedy on ABC. Shame because it's a great show and really puts LGBT stuff out there and in your face. I love it.
 
Unfortunately, I doubt we'll get to see what will happen in the future for The Real O'Neals. It's currently the lowest rated comedy on ABC. Shame because it's a great show and really puts LGBT stuff out there and in your face. I love it.
Is it bombing? I just assume all their shows, outside of Dr Ken, do well for them.
 
Since it's a Netflix series I'd say the chances are 100%, but nothing has been confirmed!

actually it has been confirmed, its the third season which hasnt (third season would be the last 5 books)

Wikipedia says that it has but no source is cited and I can't find any official announcement, so I'm going to say no.

isnt the source the showrunners saying they are already working on season 2, and they just need to green light for S3 which they want asap because kid actors grow up fast?
 
Enjoyed the frequency finale, I'll be happy if the show comes back, but I'm not incredibly frustrated because it was ended fairy well (I.e. Not a soul crushing cliff-hanger)
 
The Real O'Neals is currently getting lower ratings than Dr. Ken.
Wow, RIP.

Enjoyed the frequency finale, I'll be happy if the show comes back, but I'm not incredibly frustrated because it was ended fairy well (I.e. Not a soul crushing cliff-hanger)
Heh, it feels like they rushed an ending but then added a little tag just in case they weren't cancelled... but I'm just speculating I suppose.
 
Enjoyed the frequency finale, I'll be happy if the show comes back, but I'm not incredibly frustrated because it was ended fairy well (I.e. Not a soul crushing cliff-hanger)

Well that's good to know. Honestly, I wasn't sure about Frank early on in terms of casting. But in the end, I liked all the characters. So I'll watch the finale tomorrow and come to peace that it's likely done.
 
I have no idea how big Indiana is, but the way both kids just show up at home makes it seem like the college is minutes away... which makes me wonder why they made a big deal about them moving out in the first place. lol

I assume Real O'Neals will have to deal with this too in a couple of years... and Goldbergs too, come to think of it.

I don't think they're quite minutes away, but given that they're portrayed as going to directional state college it's quite easy to assume that it's only about an hour away, which isn't actually that far.
 
Someone really should do a service that subs Nordic/Euro/Latin American/Middle Eastern shows - like Acorn TV but for shows from the rest of the world. I could see that being a mild success.

That actually isn't a bad idea - a service with "TV edited" movies for religious people. Figures they'd get sued though.

Pureflix? Oh.

Unfortunately subtitled stuff tends to do super poorly in the US.
Then again, maybe if someone aired Skam it would catch on over there as well. Jesus that thing got big. And it ruined all my jokes about how fucking terrible Norwegian TV is.

Yup. They tried to skirt the law a bit too much, but I wouldn't be surprised if something similar popped up.

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It amuses me greatly that a show with Mo Rocca is in their "popular series" category. The gay agenda is alive and well (and sneaky).
Oh, and I finally found a streaming service less popular than Seeso! (in terms of readily accessible numbers)
 
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