Take Two CEO "Nintendo is making a 'great effort' to support 3rd parties on Switch"

We do this same song and dance every Nintendo console launch.

Companies say nice words and release usually last gen ports of one of their games. Said game sells as expected i.e absolutely appallingly and company says well seems theirs not a market on this platform for us.

Rinse and repeat.

Nintendo is in a tricky position they obviously don't want to get into a specs battle with either Sony or MS, so that hamstrings their system for nearly everything except their own games. Which a majority of people who buy Nintendo hardware are buying the thing for anyway.
 
All empty words until they announce games for the system.

We do this same song and dance every Nintendo console launch.

Companies say nice words and release usually last gen ports of one of their games. Said game sells as expected i.e absolutely appallingly and company says well seems theirs not a market on this platform for us.

Rinse and repeat.

Nintendo is in a tricky position they obviously don't want to get into a specs battle with either Sony or MS, so that hamstrings their system for nearly everything except their own games. Which a majority of people who buy Nintendo hardware are buying the thing for anyway.

Take Two is releasing NBA2K18 day and date with the other versions. So this isn't exactly that.

More games would be a better sign but, as for games announced so far by February 2017, that isn't a bad start.
 
We do this same song and dance every Nintendo console launch.

Companies say nice words and release usually last gen ports of one of their games. Said game sells as expected i.e absolutely appallingly and company says well seems theirs not a market on this platform for us.

Rinse and repeat.

Nintendo is in a tricky position they obviously don't want to get into a specs battle with either Sony or MS, so that hamstrings their system for nearly everything except their own games. Which a majority of people who buy Nintendo hardware are buying the thing for anyway.

The difference is this time, Nintendo is using standard hardware and going out of their way to support industry-standard middleware.
 
We do this same song and dance every Nintendo console launch.

Companies say nice words and release usually last gen ports of one of their games. Said game sells as expected i.e absolutely appallingly and company says well seems theirs not a market on this platform for us.

Rinse and repeat.

Nintendo is in a tricky position they obviously don't want to get into a specs battle with either Sony or MS, so that hamstrings their system for nearly everything except their own games. Which a majority of people who buy Nintendo hardware are buying the thing for anyway.
Yep, it's a viscious cycle. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Problem is, Nintendo has created this situation by stepping off the power bandwagon, running a poor online gaming offering, moving away from the FPS-friendly environment of N64 to basically not much on GC and probably various other decisions.

The above said, given the situation, It's not financially viable for third parties to try to release on par games as they have on the other systems. The audience just isn't there. They're better off making other games.
 


Nice quote..but the problem is you are fixated on the past while completely ignoring the present. Iwata is no longer with us and Kimishima is clearly running the company differently. Nintendo releasing sleek modern hardware that doesn't resemble a child's toy..who would have believed this a few years ago? Also..I think you are completely wrong when you say this is WiiU 'all over again'. The facts say otherwise: There is way more hype for this product than Wii U ever had. Additionally, the situation with 3rd parties is very different as well. So far there are like what 50+ developers who have pledged support? Wii U never had that. Period. Time will tell how good 3rd party support ends up being, but so far things are definitely better.

the fuck you talking about? the switch is iwata's idea
 


Nice quote..but the problem is you are fixated on the past while completely ignoring the present. Iwata is no longer with us and Kimishima is clearly running the company differently. Nintendo releasing sleek modern hardware that doesn't resemble a child's toy..who would have believed this a few years ago? Also..I think you are completely wrong when you say this is WiiU 'all over again'. The facts say otherwise: There is way more hype for this product than Wii U ever had. Additionally, the situation with 3rd parties is very different as well. So far there are like what 50+ developers who have pledged support? Wii U never had that.[/B Period. Time will tell how good 3rd party support ends up being, but so far things are definitely better.


3rd parties were praising the WiiU when it was announced in 2011 also...

Nintendo problem is that most of the gamers that are buying their home consoles, are buying it for Nintendo games. 3rd parties games don't sell well on their home consoles.

Look at the other threads... People will buy the Switch for Zelda, Mario Kart, Mario, Splatoon... mostly Nintendo titles.

If 3rd parties can't make profits with the Switch, they will move on...
 
We do this same song and dance every Nintendo console launch.

Companies say nice words and release usually last gen ports of one of their games. Said game sells as expected i.e absolutely appallingly and company says well seems theirs not a market on this platform for us.

Rinse and repeat.
And we've been doing this same dance in every thread even remotely involving third parties on the Switch, where people will smugly talk about "history" and this being the "same dance" despite there being evidence somewhat to the contrary.

This is literally a thread about a third party who previously has previously been fairly open about their issues with Nintendo and their platforms saying that something is different this time. I am more than willing to agree that it's likely that difference won't amount to as much as people hope it will, but it's getting increasingly obnoxious for people to keep using "history" as an excuse to be dismissive without actually taking time to compare that history to now.

Yeah, we had EA do the incredibly embarassing in retrospect "unprecidented partnership" statement that everybody loves to run to, but, in the actual historical context, that was well over a year out from the console's launch and EA was pretty blatantly abandoning ship by the time E3 2012 had rolled around and the console was only five months out. 2K making a statement about how pleased they are with how things are going with the Switch weeks away from launch is not history clearly repeating itself yet.

3rd parties were praising the WiiU when it was announced in 2011 also...
In 2011, yes.

By the time the system was approaching release in 2012, you clearly had third parties already bailing and word coming out that something was severely going wrong behind the scenes.
 
Take Two is releasing NBA2K18 day and date with the other versions. So this isn't exactly that.

More games would be a better sign but, as for games announced so far by February 2017, that isn't a bad start.

One game isn't enough for me. Third parties have a long history of giving good lip service followed up by very poor support on Nintendo systems.
 
3rd parties were praising the WiiU when it was announced in 2011 also...

Nintendo problem is that most of the gamers that are buying their home consoles, are buying it for Nintendo games. 3rd parties games don't sell well on their home consoles.

Look at the other threads... People will buy the Switch for Zelda, Mario Kart, Mario, Splatoon... mostly Nintendo titles.

If 3rd parties can't make profits with the Switch, they will move on...

They're buying it for Zelda, Mario Kart, and Splatoon because thats all they have on the system right now. Can't really gauge interest on products that aren't available to said consumers. For third parties they do have, aka pretty much Indies, we've seen as so much in those threads that people have been more inclined to buy Switch versions of Binding of Isaac, PuyoPuyo, Stardew Valley, Yooka Laylee, etc. Yeah some of them have already been released on other consoles but it does show signs that people who own the Switch are more open to other games, if anything willing to atleast double dip simply for Switch's portability. Its still early and honestly I dont think we'll get an accurate overview of the situation until E3 when more games are announced and then in Fall when the big 3rd party titles flood out the gates.

I see Assassins Creed and CoD as the gate for Switch at this point because they're two of the biggest third party games that attracts both hardcore and casual crowds. If Switch can't even secure AC and CoD by this fall then yeah it'll pretty much be a Nintendo machine again. Hopefully the merits of having a portable CoD/AC experience that isn't extremely watered down like BLOPS:Declassified and Liberations on Vita is enough to convince Activision and Ubisoft, and I think if those two games sell well on Switch it might open up the gates for more third parties. I
 
And we've been doing this same dance in every thread even remotely involving third parties on the Switch, where people will smugly talk about "history" and this being the "same dance" despite there being evidence somewhat to the contrary.

This is literally a thread about a third party who previously has previously been fairly open about their issues with Nintendo and their platforms saying that something is different this time. I am more than willing to agree that it's likely that difference won't amount to as much as people hope it will, but it's getting increasingly obnoxious for people to keep using "history" as an excuse to be dismissive without actually taking time to compare that history to now.

Yeah, we had EA do the incredibly embarassing in retrospect "unprecidented partnership" statement that everybody loves to run to, but, in the actual historical context, that was well over a year out from the console's launch and EA was pretty blatantly abandoning ship by the time E3 2012 had rolled around and the console was only five months out. 2K making a statement about how pleased they are with how things are going with the Switch weeks away from launch is not history clearly repeating itself yet.


In 2011, yes.

By the time the system was approaching release in 2012, you clearly had third parties already bailing and word coming out that something was severely going wrong behind the scenes.
I totally appreciate what you're saying. From my point of view, I expect the sales numbers to come in for these titles and for third parties to start dropping like flies. Nintendo gamers would rather pick up Mario Sports Basketball than NBA 2K, IMO.

Personally, I hope the above doesn't happen and that hear third party titles that gamers on GAF want actually sell well enough to warrant more support.
 
The difference is this time, Nintendo is using standard hardware and going out of their way to support industry-standard middleware.
They also used standard hardware last gen.
Their problem wasn't exotic hardware, their problem was their image together with slow hardware (confirming this image).
Both points hold true with the Switch which isn't on the same level as the competition.
 
One game isn't enough for me. Third parties have a long history of giving good lip service followed up by very poor support on Nintendo systems.

the wii-u also got third party games the same time as other platforms. epic mickey 2 off the top of my head. it didn't really equate to much.

Like I said, they'll need to announce more to show they're serious but announcing a PS4/XB1 multiplat coming to the Switch the same day as other consoles is not a bad start.
 


Nice quote..but the problem is you are fixated on the past while completely ignoring the present. Iwata is no longer with us and Kimishima is clearly running the company differently. Nintendo releasing sleek modern hardware that doesn't resemble a child's toy..who would have believed this a few years ago? Also..I think you are completely wrong when you say this is WiiU 'all over again'. The facts say otherwise: There is way more hype for this product than Wii U ever had. Additionally, the situation with 3rd parties is very different as well. So far there are like what 50+ developers who have pledged support? Wii U never had that. Period. Time will tell how good 3rd party support ends up being, but so far things are definitely better.

Initial support is worse than Wii U. You had like 12+ games from third parties in the first few months of Wii Us life. Also pledging support isn't a contract. They could turnaround tomorrow and say no thanks.
 
How can you possibly say this?

Well something had to have happened. You don't go from CEO on stage promising big support to what you actually got without some kind of falling out.

You assert that there was this falling out between EA and Nintendo and then suggest everything will be fine and dandy with Take Two?

I never said that. In fact, I said there could be a falling out if the Switch doesn't perform. Just that there is less likelihood of a falling out one month before launch than there is 1.5 years from launch.
 
Initial support is worse than Wii U. You had like 12+ games from third parties in the first few months of Wii Us life. Also pledging support isn't a contract. They could turnaround tomorrow and say no thanks.

You also have to realize that Switch is releasing in March during the time of year notorious for slow releases as opposed to Fall like WiiU when all third party games usually come out. Only two options really for third parties for a release date this time of year, i.e late ports of last falls games or hold out for this fall's games and release day and date with other consoles. Not really much give or take because either way you'll get "Oh Switch only gets late ports 3rd parties dont care" or "Oh Switch has no third parties because they have nothing in the first few months." I'd hold all reservations until E3 when the broader layout from all companies if presented.
 
Like I said, they'll need to announce more to show they're serious but announcing a PS4/XB1 multiplat coming to the Switch the same day as other consoles is not a bad start.

it's also not a good start either. skyrim should have been there day 1. it's 5 years old for christ sake. there is just this very obvious apprehension coming from publishers and devs. they're basically saying they like the machine, but don't want to commit anything to it until they know it's safe. just like they have done the last 4 gens with nintendo. i mean, bare in mind NBA 2k18 is going to be on PS3 as well. it's just another example of an easy port that is minimum risk but will no doubt provide them with low sales numbers and a reason to bail.

i just struggle to see how any of this is any different to past "efforts" to get third party on board.
 
I'd like to see 3rd parties support the Switch with software that clearly plays to the system's strengths. That's going to require all-but-exclusive software, which isn't going to happen unless the Switch sells at least something like the original Wii--and I just don't know about that.

The DS is a good example of a system that enjoyed solid 3rd party support without moneyhatting or a long list of gimped ports, but that takes a TON of units sold to get that kind of support. Best of luck to Nintendo. I wish them well.
 
Japanese support is much better than Wii U for the most part though and there's a good chance that a bunch of those games are exclusive unlike whatever western support they could get.
 
How can you possibly say this? You assert that there was this falling out between EA and Nintendo and then suggest everything will be fine and dandy with Take Two?

EA arguably had a lot larger stake in the Wii U given they wanted a stranglehold over Nintendo's online output with Origin being the base, and then fucking over Nintendo by withholding annual franchises that were accepted a given. Having a year and half to actively sabotage them helped.

Assuming Nintendo and T2 are starting a "new" partnership, there's less at stake relatively speaking, and should be equal benefits to both companies.
 
I totally appreciate what you're saying. From my point of view, I expect the sales numbers to come in for these titles and for third parties to start dropping like flies. Nintendo gamers would rather pick up Mario Sports Basketball than NBA 2K, IMO.
Right. As much as I want to hope things go well, I don't really expect much more than light continued support from 2K, just maybe a little better than what we saw on the WiiU.

But I don't think there's any point in being smug yet when 2K says that they are actually happy with how Nintendo is working with them a month out from the system's release. We can hold our "told you so's" for later.

Japanese support is much better than Wii U for the most part though and there's a good chance that a bunch of those games are exclusive unlike whatever western support they could get.
It honestly says a lot in what NIS sees in it that they are jumping right to doing Disgaea 5 for it.

Usually they just start with cheap ports of their PS2 games and then give up when it's not immediately successful for them.
 
What do you see different?

Image and perception for one thing. The insanely hyped reveal trailer on YouTube followed by a huge conference in Tokyo a month later was very un-Nintendo like. Their advertising has done a complete 180 too. Nintendo (for me) seems more serious and mature now and I attribute a lot of that to Kimishima taking the helm.
 
You also have to realize that Switch is releasing in March during the time of year notorious for slow releases as opposed to Fall like WiiU when all third party games usually come out. Only two options really for third parties for a release date this time of year, i.e late ports of last falls games or hold out for this fall's games and release day and date with other consoles. Not really much give or take because either way you'll get "Oh Switch only gets late ports 3rd parties dont care" or "Oh Switch has no third parties because they have nothing in the first few months." I'd hold all reservations until E3 when the broader layout from all companies if presented.

Doesn't matter to me as a consumer though. Nintendo wanted to release early with no software support. That's their problem. They are creating the perception that they will be running the show pretty much all by themselves just like with the Wii U. Coming off a failed system, they should be doing the exactly the opposite of what they are doing right now.
 
Take Two CEO: "Nintendo is making a 'great effort' to support 3rd parties on Switch"

In his mind: "...and we are making zero effort to support the Switch with our games."
 
What do you see different?

Didn't Nintendo changing their color scheme come after Iwata? It used to be grey on white and now it's white on red. The Switch marketing seems pretty different, especially in Western territories, but even the multiple hands-on events around the world and the decision to basically wait until the last minute to unveil their console is new. About the Switch itself, Kimishima had more than enough time to have a say in its final design, though it may have remained the same. It does look pretty different for a Nintendo system.
 
By the end of this year's E3, we will know if the Switch will succeed or not...

They need to put all their efforts in E3... Show us as much games as possible.. from 1st to 3rd parties...

And for the 1st time in history, E3 will be open to the public...so Nintendo really needs to go out with a BANG!

They can't afford to have Sony or MS stealing the spotlight.

Sony are usually really good at e3... and MS will have the Scorpio to show off.
 
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It's insane that third parties seem not just content but are going out of their way to say how impressed they are with Nintendo right now. It's got me a bit excited I don't think we've ever had so many 3rd parties saying such positive things about Nintendo outside of scripted reels that Nintendo themselves put out. I remember they always seemed to skirt the question whenever the wiiU was mentioned.

Is Nintendo really pursuing third party support that vehemently? If so could Switch actually turn out to have decent third party support after all? I dare not hope.

Say something good about me if old

They can't mention games until E3 like
GTAV, RED DEAD REDEMPTION REMASTERED, BORDERLANDS COLLECTION and MAFIA 3. Yeah baby I can dream!
 
While I know better than to take the usual big western publishers seriously—they're hedging, they're buried in preconceptions (supported by metrics) of what the Nintendo demographic is, some of them like Ubisoft were burnt by the risk they took on the Wii U, and they probably won't deliver much more than the all-ages portfolio previously filled by Lego, Disney, Skylanders, and Just Dance—this time around the chatter about Nintendo reaching out to third parties is actually a little unusual.

In previous generations, you would have people from Epic or Bethesda, when asked about ports of engines or games, come out and say directly that Nintendo wasn't even talking to them, that if Nintendo wanted them on board they needed to say so during the development of the console two or three years before launch and not after it was finalized in Japan. That's something we're not hearing this time, perhaps as the result of an effort to reach Epic and Bethesda specifically (even if Skyrim is a very late port).

Sure, we're hearing a lot of the usual non-committal "we like the system but have nothing to announce"—but the closest thing we have to an indication of a communication breakdown, commonly reported if you've followed third-party relations all the way back to the GameCube, is Randy Pitchford saying Gearbox lost touch with them.

I am not at all expecting three-platform releases as the new/returning AAA standard (and a useful benchmark for this may be "will the Switch get the next Assassin's Creed day one?"). But the tone seems different this time around, not from the token positivity, but from the lack of negativity or overt apathy.

I see Assassins Creed and CoD as the gate for Switch at this point because they're two of the biggest third party games that attracts both hardcore and casual crowds. If Switch can't even secure AC and CoD by this fall then yeah it'll pretty much be a Nintendo machine again. Hopefully the merits of having a portable CoD/AC experience that isn't extremely watered down like BLOPS:Declassified and Liberations on Vita is enough to convince Activision and Ubisoft, and I think if those two games sell well on Switch it might open up the gates for more third parties.

I expect we'll get one simultaneous entry in the big third-party IPs; the question is whether we get two, or if we're returning to the Wii U situation where Black Flag bombed and Watch Dogs was quietly shoved under the rug a year late to get out of a contract nobody wanted.

One lesson from the Wii U, by the way, is that far worse than a lack of technical parity or a delayed release is a lack of content parity in the form of DLC. In many cases there was no reason to get a third-party port on Wii U not for performance reasons but because you wouldn't receive the same post-launch content support.
 
Same song and dance every launch.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Almost literally.

Slatoff said:
It is an HD platform that has the processing power to develop a compelling triple experience. If it takes hold of the market, that is good for us. So from that perspective, we are very excited about that. Again we haven’t announced any support for it but obviously we have a great relationship with Nintendo, and we will be looking at the Wii U.
 
No no no. A statement like this would get me excited back in the Wii days. Then we got Table Tennis from Rockstar, cartoony FIFA/Madden, and a bunch of rail shooters from other third parties. Then these kinds of statements for the 3DS and Wii U and those same people amazed by the tech never showed up. I don't expect AAA 3rd parties to be on the Switch and can only hope Nintendo pumps out games and partners with great indie devs to get games on the Switch. I'm still buying and if they come on board then the more merrier. I don't need to have smoke blown up my butt by these people.
 
This would mean so much if 3rd parties weren't saying the same stuff for Wii, Wii U...

If they really wanted amazing 3rd party support, Nintendo would have put out a system as strong as at least a XB1 and with the same architecture as the other two. But they didn't. They went with some other stuff. I'd expect their third party support to also be like they went with some other stuff.
 
Doesn't matter to me as a consumer though. Nintendo wanted to release early with no software support. That's their problem. They are creating the perception that they will be running the show pretty much all by themselves just like with the Wii U. Coming off a failed system, they should be doing the exactly the opposite of what they are doing right now.

I dont think that perception really applies this time around, again the big 3rd Party games come out in fall, E3 has the big announcements, it'd be more valid if Switch launched in the fall surrounded by all those third party games and they weren't getting any than releasing at the time when there are no third party games really coming out and they're not getting any. I also believe it was the right time to release as the public mindshare essentially is all on Nintendo. MSoft and Sony don't really have any big announcements, as seen here on GAF and plenty other news sites the focus is all on the Switch right now. Aside from probably Horizon theres really nothing to take away the limelight away from Nintendo, whether it be good or bad. Releasing in the Fall would only crowd it out with the amount of games that come out in that time and most likely Scorpio as well.
 
This would mean so much if 3rd parties weren't saying the same stuff for Wii, Wii U...

If they really wanted amazing 3rd party support, Nintendo would have put out a system as strong as at least a XB1 and with the same architecture as the other two. But they didn't. They went with some other stuff. I'd expect their third party support to also be like they went with some other stuff.

It's a handheld. And if it's easy enough to develop for and successfull, 3rd parties will be there. If it bombs, not so much. We will just have to wait and see. But people like to hate and be in doomed mode all day. Why even discuss it if they believe it won't happen? There is nothing bad in this news, only some people who want Switch to fail. I hope Karma will hit them hard.
 
It's a handheld. And if it's easy enough to develop for and successfull, 3rd parties will be there. If it bombs, not so much. We will just have to wait and see. But people like to hate and be in doomed mode all day. Why even discuss it if they believe it won't happen? There is nothing bad in this news, only some people who want Switch to fail. I hope Karma will hit them hard.

There's also thrid party support on N64, Gamecube, Wii, and Wii U (4 home console generations in a row btw) to point to as an example on how 3rd party support for Nintendo home consoles plays out.
 
My advise to any new Nintendo fan who doesn't know how this works.

The Nintendo 3rd party loving:

  • Nintendo reveal new hardware
  • 3rd party Developers say nice things always ending with "Never count out Nintendo"
  • The new console is launched with anaemic 3rd party efforts.
  • Months later, Games Journos quiz 3rd party devs about the games for the 'wonderful' Nintendo console.
  • same devs burst out laughing uncontrollably

Repeat...

Unfortunately, this is pretty accurate. Hell I just did a Google search for mid-late 2012 for "Wii U 3rd Party Support" and it's deja vu all over again, especially with what Nintendo execs are saying.

I hope I'm completely wrong, but the smart person buys a Nintendo system for Nintendo games and treats any quality 3rd party titles as pure bonus.
 
Nope, only drive by posts with vague claims at history that don't actually even bother looking at history.

How about we take the history of every Nintendo launch in the last 10-15 years on one side and 'OMG this time it's gonna be different' and in two years we'll see which one bore out.
 
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