Support NeoGAF

[MrCarter]

"Ice Karin-Cammy so cool!1!!1!!"

I don't like her at all. Street Fighter was about martial arts first and just few super powers.

If you were bothered to read you'd see she does use a form of martial arts from Russia called Systema.

 

[Pompadour]

Did they mention this anywhere or is that just some "I'm an expert" thing of knowing Japanese? Because Kolin is a 20 year old character and that would be on hell of a foresight.

I don't think it's intentional, I just imagine they thought of making Kolin a character and realized her name kind of sounds like "ice" and they've never had an ice-focused Street Fighter character before.

 

[Evilisk]

Did they mention this anywhere or is that just some "I'm an expert" thing of knowing Japanese? Because Kolin is a 20 year old character and that would be on hell of a foresight.


That's her old face, though.



They literally say she's an expert in Systema:
"Kolin excels in the Russian martial art of Systema, utilizing the opponent’s momentum against them and executing various slash-like attacks and knife hand strikes."
That gives her more martial art expertise than most of the cast.

It's cool to hear they're basing her (non ice) attacks on a real martial art. I don't really have a problem with that, though I do want to know if the ice powers are part of that in the SF universe (or if it's not and she's a fighter that also happens to have ice powers)

 

[Sayad]

It's cool to hear they're basing her (non ice) attacks on a real martial art. I don't really have a problem with that, though I do want to know if the ice powers are part of that in the SF universe (or if it's not and she's a fighter that also happens to have ice powers)

Ice powers were given to her by Gill.

Gill has bestowed upon her the power of ice, allowing her to augment her fight style with frigid blasts and deadly icicles. She is often heard speaking condescendingly towards her opponents, knowing they don't stand a chance before her, let alone Gill.

 

[Stiflers Mom]

I thought "Eisbahn" was a thing. Little bit disappointed nothing came out of this.

 

[The Lone Dragon]

I mean you do see her

And then she disappears

The story was stupid but oh my god it had some really silly shit in it

She doesn't 'disappear'. She is MURDERED by FANG.

They actually censored it a little before it was released to the public. In a pre-release press video on one of the media sites (ign, gamespot, etc.), you actually see FANG vaporize her into a purple pile of goo. But, that was probably a little too much for SF. I'm looking for the video, but it was like 7 months ago...so if anyone can find it let me know.

EDIT: Found a copy (@9:46)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAUkBwWF6BM&t=9m45s

 

[@Wreck]

I like how her face looks there.

yes its way better!

 

[King Gilga]

SFV is the only story mode in a fighting game where I skipped the cutscenes the first time.

Couldn't stomach them at all.

 

[Neoxon]

I thought "Eisbahn" was a thing. Little bit disappointed nothing came out of this.

He's a cameo from an obscure Capcom mobile game.

 

[jett]

SFV's story mode is pretty much saturday morning cartoon.
MKX had better production values, cutscenes, etc. but it was fucking boring.

Really? I thought it was much more entertaining than the trash "story" in SFV.

 

[Skilletor]

I think I can understand where MegamanPoweredUP is coming from

Yes, this is a series where people shoot energy balls and can teleport if they use yoga, but the series has always been framed around these being connected to martial arts mastery (i.e. Ryu and Ken weren't born throwing hadokens; they had to dedicate their lives to that shit first), with some subversions (some serious, like Necro and Viper, some non-serious like Blanka; also worth mentioning that Bison and Gill fall into this category as actual super-powered beings).

I think MPU's issue is that while Necro and Viper have in-universe justifications (Necro was experimented on, Viper uses a battle suit), Kolin doesn't seem to have one so far (aside from speculation that Gill probably gifted her those powers) and also she seems to use ice powers really freely but isn't a boss tier character like Bison or Gill. Personally, I think that's jumping the gun a little. She's not even released yet and I certainly don't feel like she uses her powers more than Bison or Gill. But I can sort of see where MPU's coming from (even if I don't agree).

I personally just think that Kolin as an addition is really forced, since I never got the impression that Kolin was ever supposed to be a fighter from SF3, and she fulfilled her role in SFV's story just fine (at no point did I think, "is she gonna fight or what?" unlike that Alex/Mika/Gief match that never happened in the Story Mode). Still this could be good. If they're fleshing out Kolin, I think it's because they'll want to flesh out the Illuminati faction.

I mean...Bison? Rose?

Psycho Power has nothing to do with Martial Arts, and neither does its opposite (soul power).

 

[『Inaba Resident』]

Really? I thought it was much more entertaining than the trash "story" in SFV.

Nope. Had to push myself to finish it. Extremely boring.

Intentional or not, SFV's story was extremely cheesy saturday morning tier stuff. Pretty entertaining for what it was.

 

[Parakeetman]

SFV is the only story mode in a fighting game where I skipped the cutscenes the first time.

Couldn't stomach them at all.

And I remember how much of an uproar there was from the denizens of the internet when SFV launched with no "story mode"

 

[Ryce]

Yes, this is a series where people shoot energy balls and can teleport if they use yoga, but the series has always been framed around these being connected to martial arts mastery (i.e. Ryu and Ken weren't born throwing hadokens; they had to dedicate their lives to that shit first), with some subversions (some serious, like Necro and Viper, some non-serious like Blanka; also worth mentioning that Bison and Gill fall into this category as actual super-powered beings).

I think MPU's issue is that while Necro and Viper have in-universe justifications (Necro was experimented on, Viper uses a battle suit), Kolin doesn't seem to have one so far (aside from speculation that Gill probably gifted her those powers) and also she seems to use ice powers really freely but isn't a boss tier character like Bison or Gill. Personally, I think that's jumping the gun a little. She's not even released yet and I certainly don't feel like she uses her powers more than Bison or Gill. But I can sort of see where MPU's coming from (even if I don't agree).

It's been mentioned, but Kolin is a Systema expert who has been given ice powers by Gill. She's still primarily a martial arts character. I don't see how her fighting style is any more outlandish than Ryu being able to augment his attacks with electricity or Ken with fire, or how F.A.N.G has an endless supply of poison at his disposal.

I personally just think that Kolin as an addition is really forced, since I never got the impression that Kolin was ever supposed to be a fighter from SF3, and she fulfilled her role in SFV's story just fine (at no point did I think, "is she gonna fight or what?" unlike that Alex/Mika/Gief match that never happened in the Story Mode). Still this could be good. If they're fleshing out Kolin, I think it's because they'll want to flesh out the Illuminati faction.

I don't think Gill would appoint someone as his personal assistant who couldn't fight. It's a trope in anime/comic-inspired fiction for evil businesspeople to have combat skills.

 

[Pompadour]

Really? I thought it was much more entertaining than the trash "story" in SFV.

The MKX story mode was much better put together but it felt like the Star Wars prequels in that there was this weird focus on interdimensional politics that no one gives a shit about.

 

[Moaradin]

I found the MKX story to be boring as well. Most of the new characters were a dud. Both gameplay and personality wise. SFV was much better in that department. I also don't think SFV story mode gets enough credit for how much unique assets it had. The unique stages and characters you fight (some almost felt complete in terms of playable movesets) are cool.

I actually liked the MK9 story a lot too. It was a good blend of cheese and serious. Seeing Raiden fuck up everything was hilarious. In terms of cinematic stories, I'd rank them like:

MK9 = Injustice >> SFV >>>> MKX

 

[BronsonLee]

She doesn't 'disappear'. She is MURDERED by FANG.

They actually censored it a little before it was released to the public. In a pre-release press video on one of the media sites (ign, gamespot, etc.), you actually see FANG vaporize her into a purple pile of goo. But, that was probably a little too much for SF. I'm looking for the video, but it was like 7 months ago...so if anyone can find it let me know.

EDIT: Found a copy (@20:46)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAUkBwWF6BM&t=9m45s

I mean yeah I know that but I was trying to hide spoilers but then you went blop blop blop

 

[Mista Koo]

Looks like Cammy's boring cousin. Or Sonya's. But I like her moves.

I still have hope for Akira.

This is the same announcer who says "Kareen" for Karin.

And "Rasheed" for Rashid. Two different names.

 

[mnz]

How is Cammy more interesting? Is it that sweet crouching mp, crouching mp blockstring over and over again?

 

[Mista Koo]

How is Cammy more interesting? Is it that sweep crouching mp, crouching mp blockstring over and over again?

If that's a reply to what I said I'm speaking about her design. I mean just change her face and two of her costumes work as Cammy alts, they both hate pants too.

 

[Neoxon]

I think I can understand where MegamanPoweredUP is coming from

Yes, this is a series where people shoot energy balls and can teleport if they use yoga, but the series has always been framed around these being connected to martial arts mastery (i.e. Ryu and Ken weren't born throwing hadokens; they had to dedicate their lives to that shit first), with some subversions (some serious, like Necro and Viper, some non-serious like Blanka; also worth mentioning that Bison and Gill fall into this category as actual super-powered beings).

I think MPU's issue is that while Necro and Viper have in-universe justifications (Necro was experimented on, Viper uses a battle suit), Kolin doesn't seem to have one so far (aside from speculation that Gill probably gifted her those powers) and also she seems to use ice powers really freely but isn't a boss tier character like Bison or Gill. Personally, I think that's jumping the gun a little. She's not even released yet and I certainly don't feel like she uses her powers more than Bison or Gill. But I can sort of see where MPU's coming from (even if I don't agree).

I personally just think that Kolin as an addition is really forced, since I never got the impression that Kolin was ever supposed to be a fighter from SF3, and she fulfilled her role in SFV's story just fine (at no point did I think, "is she gonna fight or what?" unlike that Alex/Mika/Gief match that never happened in the Story Mode). Still this could be good. If they're fleshing out Kolin, I think it's because they'll want to flesh out the Illuminati faction.

It was confirmed in the Capcom-Unity blog post that Gill gave Kolin her ice powers (as shown at the end of the General Story). On top of that, the site explicitly stated that she was a Systema partitioner, likely before she got her powers from Gill (as shown by Kolin using her ice powers in conjunction with her Systema fighting style rather than relying on her ice powers), so it's not like she isn't a martial artist. As mentioned by Ryce, Gill probably wouldn't have hired Kolin as his right-hand woman if she couldn't put up a fight (just ask Lex Luthor).

 

[Arkeband]

MKX's story mode was basically:

"You looked at me funny! How dare you!"
ROUND 1
"now that you just broke my spine and exploded my kidneys, let me impart some wisdom to you - oh no someone's here!"
ROUND 1

 

[Neoxon]

Here's a video of Kolin's Critical Art from the Japanese SFV website.

 

[LakeEarth]

Here's a video of Kolin's Critical Art from the Japanese SFV website.

The KO screen flash happens at the wrong time, it should be when the ice shard goes into him, not after it disappears.

 

[Edzi]

Looks like Cammy's boring cousin. Or Sonya's. But I like her moves.

I still have hope for Akira.


And "Rasheed" for Rashid. Two different names.

What? That's the correct pronunciation of Rashid. It's like some of you have never seen the letter I be used for an "ee" sound.

 

[Jenenser]

she might be great, think ill get her first day :S

As mentioned above, all of the crazy stuff is framed within the SF universe as martial arts mastery.

Fei Long wasn't some freak mutant that could do fire kicks from birth. Dude's been training since he was six years old to be able to do that.

Yeah it's silly SF logic but it's usually consistent (well aside from Blanka, and some of the series newcomers ever since Ono's started working on the series)

consider this, she breaks the flow of any kind of ki around her linbs and can manipulate it. basically sucking out energy/blocking it out of a space. ergo creating cold.

lets also add the last airbender aproach and let her pull the h2o from the air. (just in mindblowing amounts)

you can make it work if you dont wanna pick to many holes. just like with the rest of these "martial arts".

 

[lucebuce12]

What? That's the correct pronunciation of Rashid. It's like some of you have never seen the letter I be used for an "ee" sound.

Mom's name is Rashida, I can confirm you are correct.

 

[Neoxon]

And "Rasheed" for Rashid. Two different names.

Again, like "Kah-reen" for Karin, "Ra-sheed" is the correct pronunciation for Rashid.

 

[mnz]

I remember in SF4 when French commentators would pronounce Abel correctly and the Americans in the chat went nuts every single time.

 

[Skilletor]

How else are you supposed to pronounce Rashid?

I remember in SF4 when French commentators would pronounce Abel correctly and the Americans in the chat went nuts every single time.

Or in FF12 when they pronounced Marquis, Marquiss. lol.

 

[lucebuce12]

How else are you supposed to pronounce Rashid?

RAA-SHEEE-DOOOOO

 

[NipplesAndToes23]

I want another feint character.

 

[HardRojo]

Kah-reen, Ra-sheed, Koh-leen. It's not that hard, though some people over here pronounce Guile as Gui-leh because they're pronouncing the name with Spanish pronunciation.

 

[Jaded Alyx]

That's her old face, though.

That's both her faces.

 

[Neoxon]

Cool thanks for the answer. Interested in diving into SFV at some point just haven't gotten around to it.

You can also earn the characters & Story costumes using in-game Fight Money. Characters should cost you 100,000 FM, while the Story costumes cost 40,000 FM. Premium costumes (Battle Outfits, Nostalgia Costumes, etc.) cost real money exclusively, $4 each to be exact.

 

[Lulubop]

I remember in SF4 when French commentators would pronounce Abel correctly and the Americans in the chat went nuts every single time.

Chris Hu is the only dude who pronounced the Twins name's correctly.

 

[Neoxon]

Chris Hu is the only dude who pronounced the Twins name's correctly.

I also have to correct Vesper whenever he pronounces Karin's name.

 

[Unspeakable Evil]

Random thought: If she's a fighter why doesn't she do any fighting SFV's story? Think Capcom wanted her in and ran out of time?

 

[kirblar]

Random thought: If she's a fighter why doesn't she do any fighting SFV's story? Think Capcom wanted her in and ran out of time?

Because she doesn't have powers yet in the story mode. The reveal is saved till the end.

 

[Ryce]

I remember a CFN post about the designers considering an aikido fighter, but they held off since the game already has so many Japanese characters. Systema is essentially the Russian version of aikido, so including Kolin is a pretty clever way of representing a martial art that the team wanted to include while simultaneously focusing on a less represented region of the world. She also has ice powers, killing several birds with one stone.

 

[MegamanPoweredUP]

If you were bothered to read you'd see she does use a form of martial arts from Russia called Systema.

Yeah reading. Because that's totally what SF is about.

You and the others are missing the point of SF's character design. Characters' look is (was) built around a given martial art or famous real life martial artist.
Players could recognize the given martial arts just by looking at the fighters. Ryu is the karate guy, fat asian is sumo, and so on.
If you look at Yun you immediatly know he's kung fu. You don't have to read anything.

Some poster above me (explaining that better than I could) pointed out what's the logic in the SF world: energy balls and supermatural stuff come from martial arts training. There are few exceptions (psycho power and such) but still those exeptions are mild compared to ice spamming.

Also I would point out that fire represent ki way better than ice element.
Burning effect is given to represent intense Ki moves, like Ken's shoryuken, Ryu's shakunetsu or Fei's anti-air.
What about ice? Does it look like ki to you? It looks more like magic to me than something tied with martial arts.

Also Kolin brokes a trend with SF: when there's some weird power, it affect the character appearance. A character can have a super power obtained because plot but have to actually look mutated (Blanka, Necro, Gill etc.) or have some weird thing going on (Juri's eye, Viper's suit etc.).

I say Kolin's design is pretty weak.
She's just some random anime girl with magic powers. Guys at Capcom know SF's legacy can't allow that. That's why they bothered with that System thing AFTER they gave her magic powers.

 

[Neoxon]

I remember a CFN post about the designers considering an aikido fighter, but they held off since the game already has so many Japanese characters. Systema is essentially the Russian version of aikido, so including Kolin is a pretty clever way of representing a martial art that the team wanted to include while simultaneously focusing on a less represented region of the world. She also has ice powers, killing several birds with one stone.

I actually didn't realize that. I guess Kolin was a clever inclusion by Capcom in that she covers a lot of bases that the dev team wanted to cover throughout development.

 

[mnz]

I mean, the original "magic" in Street Fighter is Psycho Power and Bison is neither mutilated nor can you conclude his fighting style from his outfit.

And to say all Kikouken, Sonic Booms and Fireballs can come from "Ki", but that ice thing can't...well, I'm not convinced lol

 

[Ryce]

Yeah reading. Because that's totally what SF is about.

You and the others are missing the point of SF's character design. Characters' look is (was) built around a given martial art or famous real life martial artist.
Players could recognize the given martial arts just by looking at the fighters. Ryu is the karate guy, fat asian is sumo, and so on.
If you look at Yun you immediatly know he's kung fu. You don't have to read anything.

Some poster above me (explaining that better than I could) pointed out what's the logic in the SF world: energy balls and supermatural stuff come from martial arts training. There are few exceptions (psycho power and such) but still those exeptions are mild compared to ice spamming.

Also I would point out that fire represent ki way better than ice element.
Burning effect is given to represent intense Ki moves, like Ken's shoryuken, Ryu's shakunetsu or Fei's anti-air.
What about ice? Does it look like ki to you? It looks more like magic to me than something tied with martial arts.

Also Kolin brokes a trend with SF: when there's some weird power, it affect the character appearance. A character can have a super power obtained because plot but have to actually look mutated (Blanka, Necro, Gill etc.) or have some weird thing going on (Juri's eye, Viper's suit etc.).

Come on, man, you're being obtuse. Gill has fire and ice abilities. As seen in his Third Strike ending (and the ending of SFV), he has the power to bestow those abilities onto other characters. For being such a devoted servant, he gifted Kolin the power of ice.

 

[Neoxon]

Come on, man, you're being obtuse. Gill has fire and ice abilities. As seen in his Third Strike ending (and the ending of SFV), he has the power to bestow those abilities onto other characters. For being such a devoted servant, he gifted Kolin the power of ice.

Plus, if you look closely, Kolin's eyes are a much icy blue than she was in the story (

Spoiler

think of it like Caitlin Snow when the Killer Frost personality creeps her way out

), though that could be just a byproduct of Capcom re-doing Kolin's model.

 

[MrCarter]

Yeah reading. Because that's totally what SF is about.

You and the others are missing the point of SF's character design. Characters' look is (was) built around a given martial art or famous real life martial artist.
Players could recognize the given martial arts just by looking at the fighters. Ryu is the karate guy, fat asian is sumo, and so on.
If you look at Yun you immediatly know he's kung fu. You don't have to read anything.

Some poster above me (explaining that better than I could) pointed out what's the logic in the SF world: energy balls and supermatural stuff come from martial arts training. There are few exceptions (psycho power and such) but still those exeptions are mild compared to ice spamming.

Also I would point out that fire represent ki way better than ice element.
Burning effect is given to represent intense Ki moves, like Ken's shoryuken, Ryu's shakunetsu or Fei's anti-air.
What about ice? Does it look like ki to you? It looks more like magic to me than something tied with martial arts.

Also Kolin brokes a trend with SF: when there's some weird power, it affect the character appearance. A character can have a super power obtained because plot but have to actually look mutated (Blanka, Necro, Gill etc.) or have some weird thing going on (Juri's eye, Viper's suit etc.).

I say Kolin's design is pretty weak.
She's just some random anime girl with magic powers. Guys at Capcom know SF's legacy can't allow that. That's why they bothered with that System thing AFTER they gave her magic powers.

What a patronising and ignorant post. You yourself mentioned that SF was about "representing martial arts" and when people pointed out that Kolin does indeed use a form of martial arts from Russia called Systema, you change the goalposts again. Now you are falsely assuming that they designed her Systema after they gave her "magic powers" when it's clear she was built with both in mind.

 

[JTCx]

I say Kolin's design is pretty weak.
She's just some random anime girl with magic powers. Guys at Capcom know SF's legacy can't allow that. That's why they bothered with that System thing AFTER they gave her magic powers.

You're straight up reaching.

Got proof of this? Show me them receipts.

 

[ScraftyDevil]

The lengths some people go to in order to justify their hatred of something can be really amusing.

It's ok to just not like a character! You don't have to fabricate reasons and put words into the developer's mouth to try and prove why everyone else should hate this character too!

 

[MegamanPoweredUP]

I mean, the original "magic" in Street Fighter is Psycho Power and Bison is neither mutilated nor can you conclude his fighting style from his outfit.

And to say all Kikouken, Sonic Booms and Fireballs can come from "Ki", but that ice thing can't...well, I'm not convinced lol

Bison had white eyes (a trend with strong intimidating characters) a dictator theme going on and his evil grin. He doesn't look like the average Joe at all.
Meanwhile Kolin is just a blondie with random ice magic.

About the fighting stile, we can't guess Claw's neither. him and Dictator were bosses in SF II. They had to look more intimidating than true to martial arts.

 

[Steroyd]

Yeah reading. Because that's totally what SF is about.

You and the others are missing the point of SF's character design. Characters' look is (was) built around a given martial art or famous real life martial artist.
Players could recognize the given martial arts just by looking at the fighters. Ryu is the karate guy, fat asian is sumo, and so on.
If you look at Yun you immediatly know he's kung fu. You don't have to read anything.

Some poster above me (explaining that better than I could) pointed out what's the logic in the SF world: energy balls and supermatural stuff come from martial arts training. There are few exceptions (psycho power and such) but still those exeptions are mild compared to ice spamming.

Also I would point out that fire represent ki way better than ice element.
Burning effect is given to represent intense Ki moves, like Ken's shoryuken, Ryu's shakunetsu or Fei's anti-air.
What about ice? Does it look like ki to you? It looks more like magic to me than something tied with martial arts.

Also Kolin brokes a trend with SF: when there's some weird power, it affect the character appearance. A character can have a super power obtained because plot but have to actually look mutated (Blanka, Necro, Gill etc.) or have some weird thing going on (Juri's eye, Viper's suit etc.).

I say Kolin's design is pretty weak.
She's just some random anime girl with magic powers. Guys at Capcom know SF's legacy can't allow that. That's why they bothered with that System thing AFTER they gave her magic powers.

We're talking about a series that has a guy stretch his arms out and teleports as a yoga style, and Rufus who's design runs counter to his Fighting style (which is the point I guess), plus we've already had characters whose powers were transferred to their subordinates via the dolls, heck Urien is swag as hell and he can use earth and electricity because reasons.

I'm not understanding how Kolin having ice powers is suddenly out of place in context of the SF universe, when the weird and mystical has been there since SFII.