hobblygobbly
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Nordfront and its sympathisers are fucking nazis and you know it, not just differences in opinion or for "not being PC".
Disney cuts ties with PewDiePie after he posts antisemetic videos
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Nordfront and its sympathisers are fucking nazis and you know it, not just differences in opinion or for "not being PC".
At least they didn't use the term 'cuck'
Doctor_Thomas
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I'm proud to be an SJW or a snowflake or whatever. When you realise the sort of people who use them as insults, they must be good things.
Thought this was a good perspective to share. Decapitalized for you guys since it comes from FilmCritHULK.
https://twitter.com/FilmCritHULK/status/831348690895855618
https://twitter.com/FilmCritHULK/status/831348791332655104
https://twitter.com/FilmCritHULK/status/831348988804632576
It's something we've been seeing from some people for awhile when a bad joke is called out and they and others double down, triple down and quadruple down on the subject and get progressively worse. Which side PDP will land I do not know though but the consequences have become real.
Also in full agreement with this. His actions were fully anti-semitic which is no joke. Period.
https://twitter.com/FilmCritHULK/status/831348690895855618
https://twitter.com/FilmCritHULK/status/831348791332655104
https://twitter.com/FilmCritHULK/status/831348988804632576
It's something we've been seeing from some people for awhile when a bad joke is called out and they and others double down, triple down and quadruple down on the subject and get progressively worse. Which side PDP will land I do not know though but the consequences have become real.
Also in full agreement with this. His actions were fully anti-semitic which is no joke. Period.
-Mutsukki-
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Yeah, it gets the same effect as calling anyone that disagrees with you racist, sexist or a bigot: It leads people nowhere at all.
Palette Swap
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If you insist on semantics, yeah, he's not a nazi, but he sure as shit gave air to a bunch of antisemitic bullshit, to the point where he's celebrated by the daily stormer.
You don't end up airing "death to all Jews" out of thin air, you don't make "Jews killed Jesus" jokes for no reason, you don't say "hitler was right" for no reason.
"They may have been in bad taste" is downplaying the normalization of antisemitism by a very popular figure watched by a shitload of kids, and that's frankly shameful.
Pathfinder
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The world needs more of people looking out for other people, IMO.
Do you also think that people who attack the Patriot Act do so because they hate patriotism?
-Mutsukki-
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Honestly I saw that happen a lot, there's a special kind of people that do stuff like this (so called """pranksters"""), but I can't honestly in good conscience see anything more than just edgy humor here, you can actually tell a guy who is very anti-semitic against one that isn't just by the way they talk about these stuff (and he makes fun of nazis too). I'm not excusing him from crossing the line, but I think there's a lot of reaching here to label someone as an enemy and total monster through weird logic when it's kinda obvious that isn't the case
If there's a "joke" about anti-semitism, it's hate. You may not want to get political but you are, and by not caring, you're just normalizing it and going against whatever it is you say you believe in.
Being supportive of social justice and being an SJW are to different things for me. I support social justice. It's funny to me how many people just jumped down my throat because of my use of SJW. It's okay I won't use it anymore. It just derailed everything which really wasn't my intent.
Bad comedy enabled by comedians feeling there are no boundaries. Youtube can shut him down for all I care. But you cant compare him to a nazi for it.
It only works as an offensive joke if its recognized as offensive.
SomewhatGroovy
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There is a lot in this thread that brings nothing to the table. In short, leaps of logic is not exclusive to any side of this argument and yet whatever discussion you think should be had here is riddled with it.
So you pointed out SJW is useless? Great, so how are we any closer to getting to the root of the subject at hand?
Personally , this thread is a sight to behold. Here we have a character driven gimmick youtuber who blew a joke and casuals are coming out of the woodworks with arm chair psychiatry. It's quite the bizarre thing to see unfold.
-Mutsukki-
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It is indeed quite similar. A Holocaust 'joke' 72 years after the fact that is completely tonedeaf; versus a movie released in 1940 urging people to actually revolt against Hitler even before the extents of the Holocaust were known and when the US was still at peace with Hitler.
GeorgioCostanzaX
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Not passing judgement but when take the Mickey money it's no longer something you can get away with. If he worked for say a Maker equivalent owned by FX I doubt it would be an issue: especially if Mac and Charlie from "It's
Always Sunny in Philadelphia" are any indication.
Always Sunny in Philadelphia" are any indication.
Pathfinder
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PewDiePie does not operate in a bubble. We've seen people like him before many times in society. His jokes and opinions are not unique, nor special. He's not deep, insightful, or complex in any visible way, so it really doesn't take a college professor to be able to get a good grasp of what kind of person he is.
FinalStageBoss
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Of course it's all jokes. "Death to all jews".. Real fucking hilarious. Scumbags.
jacob armitage
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It falls under normalization as well. There are uses of SJW towards the hyper militant left where it may be applicable but that's not how its used, its become a term to put down anyone with leftist sidings, those who stands up for others, or expresses empathy on the internet.
Its certainly a term you'll want to remove from your lexicon, and even challenge those who would use it as a pejorative.
It doesn't matter what he says he supports or doesn't support. He did it and should've known better. I don't think I need to remind anybody that this is the dude who screamed garbage like "faggot", "retard", "slut/bitch/whore" at the top of his lungs to give his videos a little bit of spice until he realized that shit don't play anymore, so him making statements such as
Isn't actually laughable. It's not even hard to believe and even in the light of extreme benefit of doubt, his intent doesn't matter. He still did it. In the best light he still comes off looking bad.
jacob armitage
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Pretty sure FX would care.
Orochinagis
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Looks like it
So basically for him is "it was just a joke, dont make it bigger" statement.
-Mutsukki-
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This kind of garbage thinking is what makes people throw offenses and stuff like "SJW" all the fucking time on the internet.
...Come on, that was gamer culture back then. You'd hear that fucking shit anywhere. That doesn't make it better, but a bunch of people used to say it. Guy can't even be sorry for what he did anymore and it's "moving on to more profitable things". Of course he finds it laughable, he probably thinks everybody knows his true self. That's very egocentrical, but still doesn't make him anti-semitic.
Pathfinder
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Reminds me of how Notch just became bored, bitter and hateful after he got all his moola.
SomewhatGroovy
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By the way, I want to comment on (snippets of) this because this just sets a horrible precedence on how to work with people.
First of all, where do you draw the line between choosing to judge someone's actions and judging the person for an action? In short, what gives you the fucking right to judge someone you don't know? And by the way, I want to point out, again, that Felix makes a clear distinction in his voice and inflection when he's serious and when he isn't, something his regular views, including however many kids, know.
So Where do we begin and end? Where do we make distinctions between someone who made a (poorly timed) joke that's racist out of ignorance versus someone who made a racist joke BECAUSE HE IS A RACIST? That distinction should matter because if it doesn't, then you're leaning on fallable logic to jump to a conclusion which is sheer laziness.
It's one thing to suggest the joke was shitty ( which it was) but you're on an entirely different plane of egotism when you can chalk someone off as scumbag over a joke. At some point we have to fucking hold people responsible for what they can control and that includes whatever audiences finds a semblance of influence in what he says on his goofy ass show.
When my fucking 3 year old kid picks up bad habits from her older sister, I'm not absolving her of any responsibility. What others do as a result of a stupid joke , a variable hard to quantify, isn't Felix's problem.
Buddy Mcpuddy
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I knew that if I gave Pewdiepie a chance he'd demonstrate that he is indeed an awful human being.
*edit* What I can't fathom is that given his ridiculous success he doesn't even have the financial sense to not be a ridiculous piece of shit.
*edit* What I can't fathom is that given his ridiculous success he doesn't even have the financial sense to not be a ridiculous piece of shit.
"Back then"? Oh, 2014 was so long ago. Try a search for "pewdiepie slur" and you'd have to be The One to dodge the million result hits you'd get with dates going back to...January 2017. Don't go to bat for him, you don't know him any better than we do and he doesn't deserve it anyway.
Boy Wander
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On the one hand he fucked up big time and deserves what he gets from the perspective of losing his Disney deal. At best he's made a grave misjudgment.
On the other hand he's successful which means there have been people waiting in the wings for years for him to fuck up so they can stick their piece in and tell you that they knew he was an evil shit and always has been.
On the other hand he's successful which means there have been people waiting in the wings for years for him to fuck up so they can stick their piece in and tell you that they knew he was an evil shit and always has been.
Well his statement is contradictory. If the video is to show how crazy this modern world is, he's doing social commentary. He says he doesn't do serious commentary or serious politics but the subject is rather serious. For not caring about these he just half-assed it and gave no real message and instead is just normalizing the behavior because he says it's just entertainment and he knows his audience.
I can't even...
Apoleptica
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Damn, that is actually a damn good statement. He must have had a lawyer write that.
I don't think he's an anti-semite. I do think he's a careless idiot who's fanning the flames of racism with his shitty tonedeaf "jokes". And with his response it's obvious he doesn't give a shit about how his actions affect people.
-Mutsukki-
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What, no. It's thinking you absolutely know a person enough to call them strong words like nazi, racist etc that is the problem. Mind you, I'm not talking about people that are openly or very clearly racist like Spencer or Milo.
I was talking about the 2011 videos, which he apologized for. But that's fair enough, I'll concede you that he has done some absolutely dumb shit, which is why I didn't like him either for the longest time
I think he does give a shit, but yes, he's dumb and isn't thinking too much about what his jokes actually mean to so many people. He doesn't have iDubbz sub count, even though now it seems like he wish he did
I'm 100% sure you think I'm making an excuse for "how things were better and simpler back then" even though I clearly said I don't think any of that was good but please go on.
Kudos to you for actually having a conversation with me. You're right, I won't use the term anymore. Unfortunately the damage is already done. Well I'll hopefully do better next time
CrispyBoar
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Whoops.
PewDiePie dun fucked up.
PewDiePie dun fucked up.
Money doesn't magically make people smarter.
There was a huge thing a couple years ago about him making rape jokes, as with this case, over a series of videos. This guy isn't going to change, he's always been a piece of shit.
Edit: I believe it was before Disney purchased Maker?
Pathfinder
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When did I ever call PewDiePie a Nazi?
In fact, I specifically stated numerous times in this thread that he is not a Nazi.
Insensitive asshole who likes to tell antisemitic jokes, yes. Nazi, no.
jacob armitage
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Kudos to you for actually having a conversation with me. You're right, I won't use the term anymore. Unfortunately the damage is already done. Well I'll hopefully do better next time
There will be plenty more times for us all to do better.
He lives in the UK, and being in/from Sweden does not inure you from knowing about neo nazi's.
The Sweden Democrats have, among all Swedish parliamentary parties, had the largest share of elected municipal representatives resign since the 2010 elections (27.8%).[116] Many of these resignations were brought on by racist statements or actions by these representatives.[116]
In November 2012, party spokesperson Erik Almqvist resigned after he had been caught on tape making racist and sexist statements.[117] Another video later surfaced, showing how Almqvist, in addition to party spokesperson Kent Ekeroth and party official Christian Westling were arming themselves with aluminium pipes before they sought out a confrontation with Soran Ismail, a Swedish comedian of Kurdish descent.[118]
In November 2012, parliamentarian Lars Isovaara resigned after accusing two people of foreign origin of stealing his bag (which Isovaara had left at a restaurant) and then proceeding to verbally abuse a security guard of a foreign background.[119] Isovaara's replacement in parliament, Markus Wiechel, was found in April 2013 to have referred to a group of black people as "monkeys".[120]
In March 2013, 12 individuals were thrown out of the party for their involvement in neo-Nazi or other extremist movements.[121]
In November 2013, parliamentarian and then vice party leader Jonas Åkerlund gained attention for having called immigrants "parasites" during a broadcast on SD's own radio station in 2002, after the recording was publicly rediscovered. In his defence, Åkerlund stated that he only said it to provoke people.[122]
In September 2014, a few weeks before the general election, the party chairman of the local Stockholm branch, Christoffer Dulny resigned from his position. He had been posting mocking comments about immigrants, calling them "shameless liers" on alternative media sites.[123] He also resigned from his newly won position in the parliament on the same day he was elected, 29 September 2014.[124]
In October 2016, a video of the parliamentarian and economic policy spokesperson Oscar Sjöstedt making antisemitic jokes was released. Whilst at a party, believed to have taken place in 2011, he laughingly told a story about former co-workers with Nazi sympathies mocking jews and comparing them to sheeps.[125]
During the same month, the parliamentarian and second vice party leader Carina Herrstedt was confronted with having sent an allegedly racist, antisemitic, homophobic and antiziganist email to her then spouse in 2011. The email, which had been leaked from the party's internal servers, for instance contained phrases that named black football players from the team Landskrona BoIS as niggers whilst also picturing Romani people as thieves.[126]
In December 2016, the parliamentarian Anna Hagwall was thrown out of the party after using arguments associated with antisemitism to argue for a bill that she introduced in parliament intended to reduce concentration of media ownership in Sweden.[127]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_Democrats
Dirtyshubb
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So basically following the trump rule book by discrediting the news source (fake news?) and follows up by saying he doesn't do anything political, just entertainment when talking about how he spoke about the current state of the world and had someone spout an anti semitic statement while ignoring the other examples given?
What complete and utter bullshit.
I am saying that it was not 'gamer culture,' it was shitty people saying shitty things.
edit: I do think you are handwaving away a shit ton of terrible things said by just calling it 'gamer culture' though.
travisbickle
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People being paid to write anti-semitic hate speech online isn't absurd it's a reality, it happens. We know there are organisations that pay people to post hateful shit online, and most of then have links to white-supremacist groups.
Squarehard
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He needs a new pr manager.
How about James Dolan?
How about James Dolan?
jacob armitage
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Because South Park displays a level of critical thinking and social commentary with its humour and message that makes it an overall a benefit to society. Shit like "Kill all jews, oh, its just a joke bro" does not.
you got to be kidding me. he is from europe. over all the european news there is talk about the rise of rightwing parties. since 2015.
how could he NOT KNOW?
But you go on protecting the dude that just made fun of genocide.
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