I'd trade all shows currently airing for more of Carnivale and Deadwood.
2016-17 TV Cancellations Thread: TNT finds "Nothing can come of nothing."
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Freeza Under The Shower
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Safe to say they died when their seasons began. Timeless is an okay show, but it's not going to remain on a TV channel. Sony promoting it now appears to be prepping it for something else though. Maybe they finally got the memo and pursuing streaming?
Freeza Under The Shower
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Yeah, but Braindead though. I know it's a taco, but that show was alright.
Also, *ahem* FUCK FIREFLY
Seriously, why would anyone want that sub-mediocre show back? Any current sci-fi show steamrolls the shit out of that one. (and The Expanse has to wipe its mag-boots after stepping into the dung called Firefly).
Bring back Space: Above & Beyond while you're at it. Maybe this time they can finally decide in advance which distance unit they want their writers to use, instead of letting them choose a different one every other episode.
Also: bring back The Outer Limits, 9/11 killed it but it's overdue for a rebound.
(there is a sincere lack of sci-fi short story form, since that tends to be where the good stuff happens, not that bloated space opera crap. )
I would appreciate a reboot of Andromeda though. That five-year plot was actually pretty intriguing in itself and the challenges created. It's an interesting concept at least (even if the show was cheesy as hell), and I did enjoy the consistency of the Nietzscheans as players rather than teammates.
Now, real question, what do I have to trade to bring back Almost Human? FOOOOOOX
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
God damnit
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
The reason you don't want Firefly back: work for Adam Baldwin.
Trade everything for a Dana Brody-centric Homeland season.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
[Jane goes to his bunk, never to return]
Freeza Under The Shower
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Ah come on, don't be like that!
(also, I don't understand that picture since I dropped Homeland after Benny Hill Brody S2)
But seriously, I just hate all those "bring back this show that would be super shitty if it aired today" arguments.
Hey, hey, remember they brought back Heroes? Hey! Hey, where y'all going?
And the X-files too!
I'm all for daring reboots though, and I really hope Star Trek Discovery works out, but there are already sooo many shows every year that you have to wonder why anyone would bother going full Bernie's Weekend on some old show.
The Expanse is already a better Firefly than Firefly ever was though.
Like I'm with you, and Firefly is an extraordinarily bad show to complain about since it got a goddamn followup with Serenity.
But then you go say something like this:
And you just lose me.
Seriously though, people keep bringing up The Expanse as being Syfy's renaissance and it's not better than you bog standard Syfy show or even Ascension and Ascension was pretty damn bad. I mean obviously The Expanse is slightly less stupid than Ascension but I just don't get why this is the show people have latched on to. Have we just reached a point where sci-fi geeks have become so envious of Game of Thrones and its acclaim so that they're willing hitch their wagon to just about anything?
Freeza Under The Shower
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I don't care who makes it (I find it weird to value a show by its channel / maker tbh), but aside from the rough start in S1 I'd say that it is fairly well written for its genre, and in terms of 'what kind of show', it's literally "six peeps on a ship" no different from Firefly and any other 'ship show' with the same getup (Farscape, Andromeda, Dark Matter, Killjoys, Red Dwarf, Stargate Universe, etc). The difference -for me- is that the showrunner is a physicist and it shows, and contains the potential for bad science and bad writing. That's the only thing I care about as far as a show goes.
I know others are excited because of the books, which I suppose contains the worst writing a lot more, like with GoT, but I don't personally don't care about that too much. The 'ship crew show' is simply a reliable concept and you get a lot of them and for now Expanse is doing good on that (better than SyFy average, I should say). When it stops doing that, I'll drop like the rest of them.
Ascension and Childhood's End were straight trash. I've said as much in the threads for them too. With Ascension, I knew it from the first shot: "jind hir's yur bewbs", like, that was all they got on that one.
It's weird to mention GoT when people went like that on Westworld though.
tearsintherain
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I think you'd be in the minority of people who compare Ascension to The Expanse. I've watched both and thats just crazy talk. Ascension had mostly bad actors, a plot that really didn't go anywhere, virtually no special effects, and no real parallels to the human condition other than "people suck!"
By contrast The Expanse is insane on visual effects, the scope of the show is breath taking, and I am really loving the whole idea that even 200 years in the future human beings find ways of being extraordinarily cruel and racist, but instead of skin color its the planet you grew up on - Earth, mars, or filthy belters.
Its also based on a pretty deep (6 books and a few novellas and counting) book series that is very popular and great extra material for those who want more stuff every week.
I am glad though that Tricia Helfer (six from BSG, the main lady on Ascension) went on to Lucifer to play the Devil's mom. She is amazing in that role and its perfect for her.
firehawk12
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The Expanse still can't escape the "Canadian warehouse" feeling though. The ship itself has no sense of scale based on the interiors they've developed. After all these episodes, I still have no idea if the ship is supposed to be a big, imposing warship or a glorified space shuttle. Ceres was still their best set, and nothing else they've done on the show comes close to it.
That said, the space-creole or whatever is at least more thought out than throwing poorly pronounced Mandarin into the middle of sentences. lol
That said, the space-creole or whatever is at least more thought out than throwing poorly pronounced Mandarin into the middle of sentences. lol
AngmarsKing701
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Good point on the ship.
Oh god I should have known better than to get catty at 3 am. And this post is basically me being tired, whining about how The Expanse sucks compared to BSG so if you feel that isn't to your liking skip all of this, it's just more words for the same thing I just said.
And I don't care that it is well written for its genre (I'd say somewhat above average for its genre), I like it when things transcend genre and is just well written full stop. And that, The Expanse is not. The writing is unbearably clunky, and riddled with cliches. I had to stop in the middle of the first episode because of the cliched dialogue, the cliched tropes and predictability of it all when the crew tried to fix the air supply or whatever it was, that scene was unbearable. It has some neat ideas but it gets stuck in bland genre tropes way, way too often and the dialogue ranges from passable to George Lucas.
Eh, I probably should slag off Westworld more but it has so far pissed me off less than The Expanse. Even when the writing isn't great it isn't as heavily cliched and I think it is getting a lot more flak than The Expanse, so it's not like I'm needed.
And I'm not especially impressed with the vfx work, I don't get why BSG still can't be topped in this. Yes things are prettier now, but there was a visceral quality to it (with, amongst other things, how the camera moved) which helped sell the effect. I mean it's fine, just not impressive to me.
Oh and the visual design for Ascension was much stronger.
"I am really loving the whole idea that even 200 years in the future human beings find ways of being extraordinarily cruel and racist" <- this is not an original idea in any way shape or form. Like saying that your show dares tackle EVEN RACISM just isn't impressive. Doing it well is, and the Expanse is just so incredibly heavy handed with this topic that I can't take it even remotely serious when it tries. It makes Elysium look like The Wire in terms of social politics.
I might return to this topic with more/better words at some point but I should try to get some sleep. Maybe I was a bit too cruel with the Ascension comparison but I remembered that repair scene vividly and yeesh. It's not so much that the show is bad, it is just so bland and I don't get why people are enthusiastic for this show in particular. I just don't see why this is the show people pull from the recent-ish syfy output and extol.
Networks tend to have a "style" for lack of a better word, ABC with their shondastyle shows, Fox with their "mismatched" buddy pairings, CBS with the OPFCTSU. So that is what I mean by Syfy show, it doesn't stand out to me from their usual fare to me.
And I don't care that it is well written for its genre (I'd say somewhat above average for its genre), I like it when things transcend genre and is just well written full stop. And that, The Expanse is not. The writing is unbearably clunky, and riddled with cliches. I had to stop in the middle of the first episode because of the cliched dialogue, the cliched tropes and predictability of it all when the crew tried to fix the air supply or whatever it was, that scene was unbearable. It has some neat ideas but it gets stuck in bland genre tropes way, way too often and the dialogue ranges from passable to George Lucas.
Eh, I probably should slag off Westworld more but it has so far pissed me off less than The Expanse. Even when the writing isn't great it isn't as heavily cliched and I think it is getting a lot more flak than The Expanse, so it's not like I'm needed.
I do hope I am in the minority, since I sincerely hope that most people have forgotten about Ascension.
And I'm not especially impressed with the vfx work, I don't get why BSG still can't be topped in this. Yes things are prettier now, but there was a visceral quality to it (with, amongst other things, how the camera moved) which helped sell the effect. I mean it's fine, just not impressive to me.
Oh and the visual design for Ascension was much stronger.
"I am really loving the whole idea that even 200 years in the future human beings find ways of being extraordinarily cruel and racist" <- this is not an original idea in any way shape or form. Like saying that your show dares tackle EVEN RACISM just isn't impressive. Doing it well is, and the Expanse is just so incredibly heavy handed with this topic that I can't take it even remotely serious when it tries. It makes Elysium look like The Wire in terms of social politics.
I might return to this topic with more/better words at some point but I should try to get some sleep. Maybe I was a bit too cruel with the Ascension comparison but I remembered that repair scene vividly and yeesh. It's not so much that the show is bad, it is just so bland and I don't get why people are enthusiastic for this show in particular. I just don't see why this is the show people pull from the recent-ish syfy output and extol.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I find myself continuously disappointed by SyFy shows, personally. And I watch an obnoxious amount of CW programming. I can't even articulate it, but it's probably close to what berzeli is saying. Even something like The Magicians lost me after a few episodes.
Bring back Stargate. Universe was turning itself around in Season 2...
*runs away*
Bring back Stargate. Universe was turning itself around in Season 2...
*runs away*
dead souls
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Would definitely make my top 10 whatever year it came out. Such an underrated character.
He still has though, and he is playing a damn good asshole on The Last Ship.
Razgriz-Specter
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Yup.
Stumpokapow
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I'm pretty sure you're just watching his home videos being posted to Gab.ai.
The Roci isn't a very big ship (though if it was fully crewed it would have more people on board than it currently does on the show). When they got it I believe it was actually docked inside the Martian capital ship so it should get you some idea of the size.
firehawk12
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Yeah, but everyone talks about the ship like it's some big deal... and then the interiors are fairly spacious and almost feel like Star Trek: TNG sets. Like if it was a tiny ship, would it really have cabins for individual crew members, a fairly big bridge, a kitchen, and several other rooms and staging areas?
Or was the Martian ship it launched from like a giant Super Star Destroyer-type ship?
There are only 5 of them on the ship on the show right now so they do have a lot of space. If I remember correctly from the books the normal crew size for this ship is around 1-2 dozen people but I don't remember the exact number.
Yeah the ship they launched from was a large capital ship though not Super Star Destroyer size, probably Star Destroyer size or smaller.
The reason the ship is a big deal is because it's a top of the line Martian fast attack ship. Mars has the newest, most advanced ships in the system.
It was turning itself around ever since the mid-season 1 finale. It was actually really good and it was killed off way too soon, Sci-Fi Channel should feel bad for killing it off.
And for stopping Atlantis in favor of Universe, as well, just bad decision upon bad decision right there.
firehawk12
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Sure, but the way they make it sound it's like if they stole a battleship instead of a tiny cruiser.
Then again, I had no real clue how big the original Martian ship was either - again because of the sets. The bridge was this cramped little room with a few office chairs, but for some reason there are giant hangers and long hallways.
I'm sure if they ever face off against another warship, we'd be able to see the scale properly, but for me it isn't really conveyed well - although admittedly I'm bringing in expectations from shows like Killjoys and Dark Matter and whatnot.
Those are fair criticisms. I do remember thinking the Martian cruiser bridge set was kinda small. I've read the books and of course they explain things a little bit better than on the show. Hopefully they'll do a bit better explaining some of that stuff on the show and my explanation helps anyone here watching the show that hasn't read the books.
Not liking that The Real Oneals are being pulled down to the aoS void
Woah....the flash. I fucking love that show. Better not get cancelled
Tuesdays seem to suck for anyone not CBS. Only NBC was finally able to make a breakthrough there with This is Us.
It was a repeat. On The CW.
It'll get 10 seasons.
It was a repeat. On The CW.
It'll get 10 seasons.
It's a rerun (R <Name of the Show>). They're always low.
Also, not on in its normal timeslot.
And it was Valentine's Day.
New episodes are regularly the highest rated show on the CW. It's more than fine (also, it and all its Arrow-verse siblings were already renewed for next year).
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I'm still apprehensive about that one. I wonder how many shows in that formula I could watch at one time. Gotham doesn't count cause it's totally different.
I already skipped Legends and I dropped out of Arrow a couple of episodes ago. Superhero fatigue is real.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I guess that Sheldon spinoff can happen a few years down the line then. lol
Oh no, still happening. It has remarkably not been picked up for a pilot yet, but still sounds to be a shoo-in.
I'm right there with you
Was a bit more excited for it on Fox because even though same creative team knew it would feel slightly different and may have had a bigger focus on the family dynamic... and maybe not shoot in Vancouver
I still like the show and this season isnt bad, but that horse is getting close to dead
And apparently it's not being talked about like it's the final two, haha. This show will outlast network television!
Not if their wages keep going up. Shit's getting very expensive to make.
firehawk12
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CBS All Access here we come.
Can we call it Small Bang Theory?
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