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[aeolist]

the entire line of succession is fucked

Mike Pence
Paul Ryan
Orrin Hatch
Rex Tillerson
Steve Mnuchin
James Mattis
Jeff Sessions

 

[MUnited83]

If Trump gets impeached, is Pence that much better?

Of course he is, duh.


As it is now, here's what you get:


Trump crazy ass anti-constitutional international disaster that goes full fascits + you will still get whatever Pence wants to push through


If Pence becomes President you no longer have the first part. It's still a fucking shitty situation, but a better one.


Not only that, Pence would never, ever win in 2020.

 

[Got]

For someone who posts in a lot of political threads, how do you not know this?

the democrats

Spoiler

hillary

 

[EnlightenedMint]

How is this different from the dossier?

They have intercepted phone records compared to a bunch of rumors with little evidence.

 

[Schattenjäger]

Next in line after the VP is the speaker of the House so Ryan.

Even better

 

[Enduin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Succession_Act

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orrin_Hatch

Fuck me.

 

[Maxim726X]

Yea the democrats are completely clean and pure here

What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

 

[Mr. E. Yis]

Ok, here is my contribution to the dumpster fire.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

I don't get the myopia in this thread

Yes if all this is true and collision occurred - by all means get them all out
I'm for it - I'd rather have someone in the White House that is presidential and professional

But everyone solely blaming the Russians?
If it wasn't for the democrats screwing over Bernie and all the other stuff that was uncovered this wouldn't even be a story

How can you not say Hilary's team is most to blame?

Please stop.

 

[greatgeek]

It will fall to Ryan. But the question then would be whether the election itself is declared illegitimate.

I don't think there is a legal mechanism to hold a new election.

 

[Caja 117]

get ready for president pence

the "respectable" but even more horrifying alternative

I might have to eat crow later, but i will take any alternative just to have Miller and Bannon out of the WH.

 

[ExplodingKetchup]

the democrats

Spoiler

hillary

lmaooo

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Yeah, there's no way if this breaks bad that Pence gets to assume the seat. He knew. So he gets impeached too.

VPs can get impeached and removed just like Presidents do. And if the case is a treasonous one, he doesn't get to duck it, much less be rewarded with the Presidency.

It will fall to Ryan. But the question then would be whether the election itself is declared illegitimate.

I don't think they'll declare the election illegitimate. Too much of a clusterfuck (even though we're almost at peak clusterfuck). Trump, Pence, Bannon, and the rest will be impeached/removed/charged (in a just world anyway), Ryan will take the presidency but they'll be stained by this and lose the presidency, senate, and house in 2020.

Though in a just world, Trump, Bannon, and the Fascist cronies that sold the country out to Russia would be hung from the rafters after a trial for high treason.

 

[brandonh83]

When it comes to whether or not Pence would be worse, I think the line of thinking here is that we're just going to try and tackle this one step at a time. Step one is to get Trump out. We'll deal with step two if the time comes.

 

[Miletius]

Even though people on GAF are always expecting a impeachment, lets say that does happen. Wouldn't the GOP and Pence still be in charge? If so, you should look into Pence. Not like he is is pro life, lgbt, etc. Only win is the orange turd being removed. Mostly would be the same the same otherwise.

Pence has awful domestic policy but in the end he is not Donald Trump. He is not going to cause an international incident over the size of his hands. At this point I can live with that for 3.5 years if it'll mean the end of the Donald and all his ilk.

We've had one month of this nutjob in office. It's clear that at this point we won't survive 4. Something has to happen.

 

[uncredited male]

So then who becomes President?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession

 

[Gutek]

Guys. Stop with the Ryan talk. Don't get ahead of yourselves.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

Even though people on GAF are always expecting a impeachment, lets say that does happen. Wouldn't the GOP and Pence still be in charge? If so, you should look into Pence. Not like he is is pro life, lgbt, etc. Only win is the orange turd being removed. Mostly would be the same the same otherwise.

Pence would have zero chance of being reelected due to the messy circumstances, and that's assuming he he doesn't end up getting attached to the Russia scandal.

 

[Dishwalla]

I just can't believe that all of this shit will end up in a history book someday. All of this is so embarrassing for this country.

 

[sphagnum]

So then who becomes President?

If both Trump and Pence go down, Paul Ryan (Speaker of the House) fails upwards.

 

[BronsonLee]

what in the fucking world
remind me to never piss off spies

 

[faisal233]

I don't get the myopia in this thread

Yes if all this is true and collision occurred - by all means get them all out
I'm for it - I'd rather have someone in the White House that is presidential and professional

But everyone solely blaming the Russians?
If it wasn't for the democrats screwing over Bernie and all the other stuff that was uncovered this wouldn't even be a story

How can you not say Hilary's team is most to blame?

Yes, Hillary is the reason Trump committed treason. Also the reason why Bernie got 3 million less votes.

 

[ElRenoRaven]

I can't wait till the pee tape comes out and the republicans yell that it's obviously fake and edited.

 

[NyMartin90]

the entire line of succession is fucked

I wonder how President Mattie would be. Reminds me of Eisenhower.

 

[PhoenixDawn]

How much more do they need to fucking find/release to charge him with treason and impeach? He's basically confessed at this point...

 

[Evil's Bane]

These hype threads mean nothing when this will just roll off of trump until the GOP feels like they're finished with him.

 

[Man-is-Obsolete]

So then who becomes President?

If there's any justice the Supreme Court would rule it go to the popular vote winner and deem the election of Trump illegitimate. At this point it is nearly impossible to determine just how infested then GOP is, so it would be irresponsible to give any sitting member of the GOP presidency.

 

[nintendoman58]

It might "stick" but I do not see the cards collapsing. Or maybe I'm just trying to not get my hopes up.

It's one thing to be pessimistic but let's not automatically assume that nothing will come of this when things in fact HAVE been coming of this. See: Flynn's resignation.

Honestly I feel like people aren't reading the articles and are instead reading all the people excited and immediately thinking the opposite will happen, which is not a good thing.

This does not guarantee impeachment nor does it guarantee nothing being done.

 

[Extra Sauce]

So then who becomes President?

 

[UberTag]

And Comey sat on this shit during the election, but rushed to the press with Hillary's "new" non-existent emails. Fucking hell.

Comey was bought. He's the primary reason this didn't come out before election day. This falls entirely on him.

 

[Dreez]

Hmmm I wonder if they'll remember what they spoke with senior Russian intelligence officials about...

 

[sphagnum]

I guess I'd be ok with President Hatch out of the lot of them...?

 

[Dreams-Visions]

So what season of 24 does this most closely resemble?

Maybe I'm too cynical but to me it seems if the agencies are leaking this stuff, they have hit a wall and putting it out hoping something new comes up and gives them ammo to use against Trump. Does sort of feel like internal wars are brewing inside CIA, FBI, etc and I wonder whats going to happen.

None. We're in uncharted waters. Not even 30 days into a 4 year stay.

Burn this shit down. Get them all out.

 

[TaterTots]

Pence has awful domestic policy but in the end he is not Donald Trump. He is not going to cause an international incident over the size of his hands. At this point I can live with that for 3.5 years if it'll mean the end of the Donald and all his ilk.

We've had one month of this nutjob in office. It's clear that at this point we won't survive 4. Something has to happen.

So you could deal with Pence's gay therapy?

 

[soundahfekz]

Is there somewhere I can bet on cheetos impeachment? Cause that bet is looking better and better each day

 

[Gutek]

CNN still not reporting on this. I doubt this will gain any traction.

 

[Magni]

I want to see them all rot in jail. 2017 elections please. Don't want Paul Ryan to get too comfy in the White House.

"All" includes Comey, for the record. This is as much on him as on anyone else.

 

[faisal233]

Thats fine, complicity in treason is hell of an attack ad.

 

[Already Torn]

I wonder why CNN is so hesitant to talk about this

 

[Master Yoshi]

R.I.P. Hillary's emails. You can finally be forgotten.

 

[TyrantII]

Even though people on GAF are always expecting a impeachment, lets say that does happen. Wouldn't the GOP and Pence still be in charge? If so, you should look into Pence. Not like he is is pro life, lgbt, etc. Only win is the orange turd being removed. Mostly would be the same the same otherwise.

The first move should be to get the fucking insane, dangerous stooge out of the nuke chair. He's an exersential threat that goes beyond policy disagreements.

Once that's done, the Dems can just stonewall any and everything and keep the illegitimate president story going. Being from a party that supported a Russian plant, it shouldn't be hard. Run on the midterms on it.

 

[Maxim726X]

It's one thing to be pessimistic but let's not automatically assume that nothing will come of this when things in fact HAVE been coming of this. See: Flynn's resignation.

I don't think it's game over yet... But we're getting there. Getting there a lot faster than I thought we would.

At this point, if you've been following this since the primaries, it would be a surprise if he *isn't* involved with the Russians.

 

[KO Traveling Hobo]

They're going to clean up the White House, and only one man will be left standing.

It's all coming up Jebhouse!

 

[Apharmd]

Nobody is delegitimizing the election through this. Trump won fair and square, even if the system he won in (EC) is stupid. If anyone is delegitimizing the election, it's trump claiming that even the popular vote was wrong because of "millions of cases of voter fraud" with literally no evidence. If the president is commiting treason is a serious issue, but we're not forcing the results to change (Unless we get to the point where literally everyone involved with Trump is a Russian plant, but I highly doubt that)

I'm not saying that the election is delegitimized through this. If they consider that it can be delegitimized? I ain't gonna say no.

But the main reason I pointed to that article is that I realized that the Trump team have vehemently denied Russian contact, and they were FUCKING LYING*

* - I mean we know they're fucking liars, but the news media / non-traitorous members of Congress who aren't sunshine soldiers have more ammunition to blow them up.

 

[BlastProcessing]

Pence wanted funerals for aborted fetuses


He's much worse than Trump

Trump said that women who have abortions need to face punishment. That is actually to the right of Pence on abortion.

 

[BronsonLee]

CNN still not reporting on this. I doubt this will gain any traction.

can it nerd

anyways in seriousness they probably want to corroborate it themselves, like when CNN gets their story, other peeps tend to wait

 

[Dude Abides]

I don't think there is a legal mechanism to hold a new election.

or anyone with authority to declare it illegitimate.

Honestly guys, impeachment is 99% a political call. Unless there's a smoking gun of Trump himself promising favors for hacking, he's safe until January 2019. But if this makes him essentially a lame duck it's just as well.

 

[smokeymicpot]

CNN still not reporting on this. I doubt this will gain any traction.

It is a NYT investigation everyone is trying to confrim it. Give it a hour or so.

 

[Brandon F]

Will we be playing Zelda without a Trump presidency??

 

[brandonh83]

It's one thing to be pessimistic but let's not automatically assume that nothing will come of this when things in fact HAVE been coming of this. See: Flynn's resignation.

We'll see how far it goes. I just think shitty enough things have already happened like the stupid fucking travel ban that was arguably unconstitutional but here we still are. This is worse but I feel like this entire thing just spins like a dryer. It just feels like he can get away with about anything. Hope I'm proven wrong.