Variety: YouTube Cancels PewDiePie Show, Pulls Channel from Premium Ad Program

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Metroidvania said:
Uh.....'It's a joke' doesn't somehow magically excuse the underlying point behind (at least some of) the outrage, in which, you know, bringing up murder of 6 million people as a joke to 'see how far someone would go' on your youtube channel that has millions of subscribers.

I don't think Felix is an anti-semite, mind, but H3h3 saying 'it's a jooooooke, as a Jew, I'm not offended, and I'm Jewish' doesn't somehow miraculously excuse Felix from what happened.
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Yeah, seriously. Fuck the "it's a joke" excuse for anything.
 
Theorry said:
Oh i agree Felix has sure a big blame in all of this. But the reporting on this has been so bad also and fueling it even more. Like Wallstreet Journal. They need to be held accountable also with such bad reporting and on purpose baiting. Its not the first time "older" news outlets try to start something against him and do bad reporting. Like the sponsor thing with Shadow of Mordor.
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Pewdiepie is not the victim here.
 
Nanashrew said:
No one is trying to ruin his life. His dumb mistakes cost him partnership deals. If you said kill all jews as a joke at the work place there's a high chance you'll be in the unemployment line yourself.
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There are people in this thread literally wishing he succumbs to violence/death.

Gotdatmoney said:
Probably because just saying your joking doesn't absolve you from the fallout of your actions.

I don't really get why this is so hard to grasp. The example given is Chris Rock's black people vs "n word" comedy skit. He was obviously joking. However the way people reacted to that skit and the outcome made him refrain from telling it anymore. Because a real subset of his audience was taking it to harmful places.

These people have real influence. The fact that it's a joke doesn't mean that their words don't have a profound impact on the audience. I think there should be an expectation that "I'm joking" isn't a cover for saying any shit you want "free of criticism" or even "free of public persona destruction".

I don't think it's a particularly high bar like some are arguing either.
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I agree that saying 'It was a joke' in response to fallout is a get out of jail free card. But context matters, and if it's obvious within context that something isn't meant to be taken seriously, I really think that people are just better off ignoring it and getting on with other things. I'm not arguing about him losing his sponsors or whatever, because that's business and I get why certain businesses wouldn't want to be associated with drama like this, but for every day folk I don't get why people can't just ignore stuff like this instead of blowing it up.
 
Metal Gear?! said:
If it was a stetement then PewDiePie paid 2 random guys to tell the world to kill all Jews and then he spread that message internationally using his popularity. If it was a joke then a millionaire used 2 poor people's desperation as a stunt that he then showed in-between random fart sounds on his entertainment channel for children. People keep switching the interpretation depending on which one seems more conveneient at a given moment ("can't you tell an innocent racist joke anymore?" "can't you make a statement to point out a real world issue anymore?"). I'm not surprised big companies with money involved won't bother trying to solve this one.

Also he'll live, he was removed from an advertisement program and lost a show but his Youtube channel exists and will keep being popular. Too bad that those 2 guys he used weren't that lucky and got banned from Fiverr because of him so now they need to find a new way to pay for food.
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Not true, Fiver unsuspended their account, and Felix donated quite a bit of money to them, since it was pretty much his fault they got suspended.
 
TheBlackMarvel said:
Lmao. FOH with this "what if" bullshit. Not a single thing you've said, actual or hypothetical, excuses what actually happened.
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I'm not excusing what happened. Don't try to play me off like that. They should simply report on what's there and not jazz it up. There's plenty to report on. Why twist it further? Is the only complaint I have. I going to withdraw from this convo because I have things to do anyway. I guess you're free to demonize me then.
 
RRockman said:
I'm not excusing what happened. Don't try to play me off like that. They should simply report on what's there and not jazz it up. There's plenty to report on. Why twist it further? Is the only complaint I have. I going to withdraw from this convo because I have things to do anyway. I guess you're free to demonize me then.
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Why are you so desperate to be a victim/martyr?

NewDust said:
You should wtite for PDP, lmao...
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I don't think my jokes have what it takes.
 
TheBlackMarvel said:
No, I started from the end and gave up before I reached the beginning. /s



You mean this wasn't meant to make him sound like a victim of a vindictive press?
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Not really. Just showing how bad the reporting has been and how it has happened before. I am sure he can handle himself. He for sure is to blame for starting this all and could have known probably it was not a good idea of you are in the spotlight all the time. But doesnt mean the reporting media can make stuff fit how they want it. And its up to us to call them out also.
 
Nanashrew said:
No one is trying to ruin his life. His dumb mistakes cost him partnership deals. If you said kill all jews as a joke at the work place there's a high chance you'll be in the unemployment line yourself.
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Read through the thread. There were posters that even wished he was dragged onto the streets and beaten up
 
This is the media taking shit out of context in order to exploit the current trend of outrage culture by giving the outraged their daily quota for the day. That shit that the wall street journal did was shameful. They wonder why no one trusts the media anymore. They can milk this for weeks by """"""""" writing """"""""" articles that consist of nothing but cut-and-paste twitter wars. Man how journalists have fallen.
 
Theorry said:
Not really. Just showing how bad the reporting has been and how it has happened before. I am sure he can handle himself. He for sure is to blame for starting this all and could have known probably it was not a good idea of you are in the spotlight all the time. But doesnt mean the reporting media can make stuff fit how they want it. And its up to us to call them out also.
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What exactly is wrong about the reporting regarding this issue?

It's also kind of funny to blame "the media" for clickbaiting and such, when the subject is PewDiePie.
 
Theorry said:
Not really. Just showing how bad the reporting has been and how it has happened before. I am sure he can handle himself. He for sure is to blame for starting this all and could have known probably it was not a good idea of you are in the spotlight all the time. But doesnt mean the reporting media can make stuff fit how they want it. And its up to us to call them out also.
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And what, pray tell, is so bad about the reporting?

insert_username_here said:
Context and intent matter. The alt left needs to turn it down a notch.
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Y'know, I'd be really interested in hearing the "context" that makes this all ok.
 
It's important to be careful villainizing Felix too much here, otherwise you trivialize actual racists and bad people. And keep in mind all he's done for charity.
 
Theorry said:
Its all in the video wich is posted.
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Clearly, I'm not getting it from the video. Perhaps, as you seem to see it so clearly, you could explain it to me?

The Lamonster said:
It's important to be careful villainizing Felix too much here, otherwise you trivialize actual racists and bad people. And keep in mind all he's done for charity.
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This argument is so tired. Good thing charity absolves you of all wrongdoing!
 
Theorry said:
Its all in that video we were talking about.
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Is there a link to the actual reporting somewhere so I can make up my own mind without Youtube celebrities having their opinion plastered all over it?

People are blaming "the media" and "reporting" but this is about 1 article I take it?
 
which media outlet is calling PDP a racist and or fascist?

im not seeing it.

ClosingADoor said:
Is there a link to the actual reporting somewhere so I can make up my own mind without Youtube celebrities having their opinion plastered all over it?

People are blaming "the media" and "reporting" but this is about 1 article I take it?
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These supposedly. i think people aren't reading the articles and are jumping to conclusions :/

Phil0sophy said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-anti-semitic-death-to-all-jews-a7580206.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/disney...pewdiepie-after-anti-semitic-posts-1487034533

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...ome-cool-alt-right-young-people-a7579756.html
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TheBlackMarvel said:
This argument is so tired. Good thing charity absolves you of all wrongdoing!
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I didn't say it does, I'm just saying some people here are calling for his head and that's entirely unfair to him and to victims of actual racists and bad people.

Sometimes it's easy to go on a witch hunt and forget that these people are human beings who make mistakes.
 
hodgy100 said:
These supposedly. i think people aren't reading the articles and are jumping to conclusions :/
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I thought The Independent article was very fair and pointed out why these things are bad. WSJ is behind a paywall, so I can't read it. Wonder how many people who complain about it have a subscription.
 
Theorry said:
See what you are doing. Not really in the mood for that.
I posted the vid wich i found a pretty good summary. Gonna leave it with that.
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What am I doing? I just wanted you to explain your stance. Clearly we watched the same video and came to different conclusions, just curious how you came to yours.

The Lamonster said:
I didn't say it does, I'm just saying some people here are calling for his head and that's entirely unfair to him and to victims of actual racists and bad people.
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Do you know what's unfair? Paying poor people a pittance (to you) to do something stupid and offensive.

EDIT: Why would you even bring up "all he's done for charity"? It has nothing to do with your point before or after. This whole "calling out people on their racist actions only trivializes the real racists" argument has been bullshit since day one. Stop it.
 
Metal Gear?! said:
People keep switching the interpretation depending on which one seems more conveneient at a given moment ("can't you tell an innocent racist joke anymore?" "can't you make a statement to point out a real world issue anymore?").
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Exactly.
Please apply this moral standard to yourself.

Metal Gear?! said:
If it was a stetement then PewDiePie paid 2 random guys to tell the world to kill all Jews and then he spread that message internationally using his popularity.
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1. You frame this sentence as if Pewdipie´s Intention was to simply spread a hate message.
Which...

...Well I hope any reasonable person sees thats not the case without any further clarification.
2. The poster reads "Death to all jews, please subscribe to keemstar", which is a indictment of Keemstars antisemitism, which you either didnt know or didnt care about.

Metal Gear?! said:
If it was a joke then a millionaire used 2 poor people's desperation as a stunt that he then showed in-between random fart sounds on his entertainment channel for children.
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But this is indeed part of the statement.

I agree its problematic that, especially children, but also sadly a lot of peops older then 14 are not quite able to comprehend certain subtle differences in the meaning of the context of somebodys expression of language. Thats for example is the reason alot of comedians are struggeling with angry and upset people who just didnt get the punchline of their jokes and are therefore eager to shoot all their tasty hate all over the face of said person.

of course you dont have to like the joke about paying "third world thugs" for a stupid stunt.
It wasnt a paricular funny thing to do IMO.
But to go further and ignore any possible implication of the meaning of said joke, video or persona is called ignorance.

Which seems for me to after a quick look at said video:
1. The global paygap nobody likes to think about.
2. Keemstar is a fucked up person a lot of people dont like to realize
3. Filthy frank is a national treasure.
4. Racism is a stupid thing.

I appreciate him for trying to be more than a unreflective paid to scream into camera millionaire.

I think only to consume numb and stupid entertainment doesnt help numb and stupid people(especially children. Children cant help it. Children ARE stupid as fuck.) to grow their.. "selfreflect-part" of their brain.

Youtube squirms with popular stupid as fuck content. (Prank-culture)
Youtube squirms with popular mundane as fuck content. (Hauls)

I say thank god for somebody with more than half a brain to be the most popular person on youtube.

Quote with corrosive sarcasm gif and "Poor Pewdipie :(" if you disagree.

Papa bless h3h3
 
Where is the 'he paid money to poor people' thing coming from? Are people just assuming they're poor becuase they're from India or am I missing something? These guys run a youtube channel based on videos like this, it's not like this was a charitable donation with a stipulation attached.

Again, unless I'm missing something?
 
Gravy Boat said:
I agree that saying 'It was a joke' in response to fallout is a get out of jail free card. But context matters, and if it's obvious within context that something isn't meant to be taken seriously, I really think that people are just better off ignoring it and getting on with other things. I'm not arguing about him losing his sponsors or whatever, because that's business and I get why certain businesses wouldn't want to be associated with drama like this, but for every day folk I don't get why people can't just ignore stuff like this instead of blowing it up.
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I dunno. For the most part it is just a topic to discuss. I don't really think the everyday person is blowing it out of preoportion. Perhaps the media is but they are doing it for the same reason Pew says and does all this dumb shit to begin with. Money. So I aint even gonna lose sleep over it when they are literally doing the exact thing he does.
 
Gotdatmoney said:
I dunno. For the most part it is just a topic to discuss. I don't really think the everyday person is blowing it out of preoportion. Perhaps the media is but they are doing it for the same reason Pew says and does all this dumb shit to begin with. Money. So I aint even gonna lose sleep over it when they are literally doing the exact thing he does.
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Some people in this thread are taking it pretty hard beyond the point of mere discussion, however that's most likely a vocal minority. I agree that most people don't even know who PewDiePie is, nevermind what's going on at the moment.
 
I want to cross post animlboogy's post form the other PDP thread because his response to mine is put into better words than what I can come up with.

animlboogy said:
This is the cultural clash in comedy right now in a nutshell. It isn't about "political correctness" vs. "clean comedy" or something.
Actual clean comics like Dan Nainan are 10x creepier than the most descriptive Louis C.K. pedophilia joke.

When your entire "joke" is simply saying something that you know makes people feel bad, with no satirical backbone, no actual joke, no purpose, what you're doing is functionally no different from saying the same thing like you mean it. And as Chan culture has so clearly taught us in the last few years, all you really do is provide cover for actual straight-up ideologues to say the exact same things, except they fucking mean it.

If the full context of your joke is "Death To Jews" because wow, you're not supposed to say that, you've simply done the verbal equivalent of taking your adult dick out on an elementary school bus. Oh, how shocking! There should not be a grown man taking his dick out in front of children! Ha ha ha ha! I can't believe he "went there"! Where are the SJWs now? Can you handle my political incorrectness? L M A O

Now, frankly, I don't give the slightest shit if you want to engage in this kind of vapidity. That's fine, it's a hell of a lot easier than saying something insightful or witty. What I resent is the idea that you want to be taken as seriously as the decent comedians and satirists of the world for doing the verbal equivalent of eating your own feces. No. If your joke is to say something that gets people mad, or reminds them of terrible things, or makes them feel less than human, they're probably going to get mad at you, not want to give you their money, not want to sponsor you, maybe even crack you one across the jaw.

Play in that end of the pool! You aren't entitled to respect for it.
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Gravy Boat said:
Where is the 'he paid money to poor people' thing coming from? Are people just assuming they're poor becuase they're from India or am I missing something? These guys run a youtube channel based on videos like this, it's not like this was a charitable donation with a stiuplation attached.

Again, unless I'm missing something?
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After finding out that they got banned from the site from it he donated some money to them also.
 
So sad how things taken out of context have blown up. I hope this guy sues these people for defamation, even worse are the ignorant sheep following this crap as if it's fact.

This PC era is so terrible. Just saw a couple vids and am appalled at some of these articles based around out of context content and how companies like Disney and Youtube are acting. Terrible, sue them.
 
Nanashrew said:
I want to cross post animlboogy's post form the other PDP thread because his response to mine is put into better words than what I can come up with.
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I agree with this wholly
Thing people need to realize is:
Pewdipie isnt a friggin anti-Semite
He framed his comedy not good enough.
 
Hari Seldon said:
This is the media taking shit out of context in order to exploit the current trend of outrage culture by giving the outraged their daily quota for the day. That shit that the wall street journal did was shameful. They wonder why no one trusts the media anymore. They can milk this for weeks by """"""""" writing """"""""" articles that consist of nothing but cut-and-paste twitter wars. Man how journalists have fallen.
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Give me a factual, non-sensationalized summary of what actually happened here from your point of view.
 
Gravy Boat said:
Some people in this thread are taking it pretty hard beyond the point of mere discussion, however that's most likely a vocal minority. I agree that most people don't even know who PewDiePie is, nevermind what's going on at the moment.
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Yeah I dunno. I think he is an idiot who deserves to get roasted. I dont think he is a Nazi or anti semetic though. More irresponsible than anything.
 
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