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[cripterion]

Explain to me how BL3 runs at 200 vs 40 BL4 on the same hardware, when games look nearly identical.

My dumb brain thinks it would be better for devs to use same engineas BL3 then, so gamers can enjoy 200fps instead of game looking barely any better and only get 40. It seems that most steam users are on the same isle.

They don't look identical. Yes it's the same artstyle but I fired up Borderlands 3 just before getting 4 and right from the beginning you can tell the sequel lighting, models are improved. Same with the environments on top of now being open world.

I wish the game would run better though.

 

[Gaiff]

I wonder if these games break even, let alone a profit?
Wasnt 3 a flop?

Sold 5 million in 3 days and over 18 million so far, so, no.

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

His game is free marketing for Nvidia.

 

[Pop]

runs 70-90 fps, 1440p on very high for me

so yeah, not 30 fps or sub 1080p. thanks for coming out though.

With which frame gen and dlss

Thats just terrible performance

 

[Ashamam]

This game is the poster child for UE5..... For all the wrong reasons.

I have no doubt it's doing lots beneath the surface as he says. The problem is above the surface, making you wonder why it needs to do everything beneath the surface. Or IF it needs to do everything.

I feel like they must have had an early meeting where they discussed which cutting edge engine features to use.

"All of them"

"But our art style doesn't need all of them"

"All of them"

"But performance will suffer for minimal returns"

"All of them"

"But you at least want us to have a plan to optimise performance yeah?

"All of them"


......

 

[ResilientBanana]

While he's right the DRM engines have got to go

 

[phant0m]

With which frame gen and dlss

Thats just terrible performance

Game is fun and feels good to play, dunno what else to tell you boss

If you'd rather count pixels and watch frame time graphs and cry that you should get MOAR frames, more power to you

 

[AJUMP23]

Knowing him he probably runs the PR department

He is the owner so I doubt people stand up to him.

Any comments would come from take 2 or whoever the publisher is now.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Gotta support Randy on this one. Sorry guys.

The reality is that code-wise its 99% the same as the console builds. Engine patch-outs to API's and network back ends aside, its basically going to be identical.

If its running unexceptionally on those machines, then there's fundamentally nothing wrong. And as it seems that these complaints are mainly coming from the PC side... it appears to me standing in a neutral corner (afforded by my disinterest in the product and franchise) the problem appears to be that your hardware in actuality isn't as powerful as you thought it was.

Bottom line: Lower your expectations, and turn those settings down until you get acceptable performance.

The main issue, the mythical lie about PC, is that there's some kind of "Master Race" going on, which is not true. In reality, PC MR stands for PC Middle Range. And Gearbox provided a piss-poor spec sheet, which is totally on them for not understanding how the actual PC market is composed.

I only saw the math teacher video talking about the performance. The visuals didn't look that mind-blowing. The enemy behavior also didn't show any kind of "next-gen" pattern or anything like that. So, I dunno. Clearly, playing on PC (even with a 5090) ain't a premium enough experience for sure

 

[OverHeat]

4K DLSS quality badass setting…60fps without framegen on 5090

 

[Dalbajobas]

The main issue, the mythical lie about PC, is that there's some kind of "Master Race" going on, which is not true. In reality, PC MR stands for PC Middle Range. And Gearbox provided a piss-poor spec sheet, which is totally on them for not understanding how the actual PC market is composed.

I only saw the math teacher video talking about the performance. The visuals didn't look that mind-blowing. The enemy behavior also didn't show any kind of "next-gen" pattern or anything like that. So, I dunno. Clearly, playing on PC (even with a 5090) ain't a premium enough experience for sure

Well said. This is nothing like CP77 situation, where you have clearly a next-gen PT rendering employed [that will only be available, perhaps, on ps6/nextbox], so that performance is totally understandable.

 

[Lokaum D+]

tell fans to create their on engine, proceeds to use someone else broken engine...

Fuck you Randy

 

[Lokaum D+]

It runs great on console…

If at least Borderlands 3 story wasn't too bad

 

[Knightime_X]

Game runs just fine on my pc.
idk wtf people are tripping over.

 

[Pop]

Game runs just fine on my pc.
idk wtf people are tripping over.

runs 70-90 fps, 1440p on very high for me

so yeah, not 30 fps or sub 1080p. thanks for coming out though.

This you too with frame gen and dlss on barely getting 70fps

 

[Wooxsvan]

Soooooooooo

Switch 2 ports for a 9W handheld or 20W docked

How will that work in his world?

its a Premium console so what are you worried about

 

[Lokaum D+]

This you too with frame gen and dlss on barely getting 70fps

everyone is running well at fake resolution and fake performance, what happened to gamers ?

remember when ppl ran games at native 4k ?

 

[Gamer79]

I will buy this game in the bargin bin or

 

[phant0m]

everyone is running well at fake resolution and fake performance, what happened to gamers ?

remember when ppl ran games at native 4k ?

Hey, bud…. it's all fake

None of those pixels are real

Kairos doesn't exist

Vault hunters aren't real

That gunshot you heard? Just a value in memory changed to play an audio file on your ssd. Fake as hell

 

[Lokaum D+]

Hey, bud…. it's all fake

None of those pixels are real

Kairos doesn't exist

Vault hunters aren't real

That gunshot you heard? Just a value in memory changed to play an audio file on your ssd. Fake as hell

 

[Investor9872]

What a shitshow the launch has been.

But everyone knew that it would be. It's the same for every Borderlands game... every time.

 

[Seomel]

Im enjoying the hell out of it, but goddamn they need to take away Randys access from social media

 

[Lupin3]

Never stop, Randy! Looking forward to more content farming on YouTube.

 

[joey Dubs]

Premium clowning from Randy as always.

 

[Brigandier]

It's that premium it doesn't even have a PS5 Pro mode....

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

Premium game but they couldnt be bothered to optomize for the Pro even though they initially showed the game off on the Pro.

It also has a memory leak issue on ps5 and the pro so after about 40 min of play the game starts stuttering like crazy.

It's unpolished. Very dumb ui design. But it's "premium".

I'm getting sick of the lack of polish fpr $70-$80 games. Mgs Delta was a joke on the Pro as well and also carries a "premium" price tag.

Fuck off Randy as usual you big mouthed moron

 

[Cyberpunkd]

im still wondering how Gearbox is still alive whit this bufoon on the lead

At some point you just keep cruising. In tech all the top companies like SAP or Salesforce have absolutely dogshit software requiring 2X software spending in setup and consulting fees just to learn how to use them. Still they don't have issue selling.

 

[Windom Earle]

If you bought this game you are beyond saving. I don't understand how this franchise is even still a thing. Should have ended after BL2 on a positive note.

 

[Knightime_X]

This you too with frame gen and dlss on barely getting 70fps

Not using frame gen.
The biggest culprit in modern games is ray tracing at 4k.
Literally avoid 4k at all cost with newer games. Say 2020 and beyond.
ray tracing and especially path tracing will destroy performance, without dlss there is no way to get around that.
That's just the nature of the beast.

Also, a HUGE thing to remember is when it comes to high and Ultra high settings is if the only visual difference you can see is a loss in performance, then don't use that ultra setting.
Use high or even medium if they look the same and reap the benefits of higher frame rates.

 

[dEvAnGeL]

It will part of a humble bundle in less than a year.

 

[KungFucius]

Man this dumbass needs to learn when to keep his mouth shut. Does he really think this is going to counter the criticism and make people want to buy the game?

It might. People like to think their PCs are the best or at least good. Saying only good PCs can play this game is sort of a challenge to people's epenises. Whip it out baby.

 

[Felessan]

What this greasy retard doesn't seem to understand is that his devs and those companies can say all the stuff they want, but in the end the one's who's right will always be the customer. If the customer says your game runs like shit while not looking much better than the previous ones, then you've done a very shit job, period.

Who cares about what loud miinority on forums say? They don't understand a thing and Randy absolutely right about it (though telling truth straight to people face is rude).
He should care about sales and it seems that silent majority are pretty ok with the game, so he can mock unsatisfied people on twitter.

Any jerking to loud minority is bad, be it DEA or forum whinners. Devs should follow real metrics and not just loud voices on media.

 

[Evil Calvin]

I mean I've got 11h played already and it's a great time, hasn't impacted my experience at all.

But if you're more into playing frametime graphs then you do you boss

I know! On XSX it feels like 60fps. I've played many 30fps games and this does not seem anything close to 30fps. Playing great for me. Too many people are fixated on that crap. Anything over 40 is just fine.