Disney cuts ties with PewDiePie after he posts antisemetic videos

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Airola said:
I bet no-one has any grudge against Sweden what comes to some historical oppression.
If there is some grudge it's mostly about ice hockey or people being forced to learn Swedish in their teen years at school (and that's purely out of laziness - or at least it was for me and my friends as we just didn't want to do the work to learn a new language).

Finnish people used to joke that "all Swedes are gay" and I still have no idea where that came from. It was some sort of a "meme" decades ago.


Finnish people don't really care if their entertainment comes from Sweden or anywhere else. Swedish pop music has been amazingly popular in Finland for ages now. I personally am a huge fan of Army of Lovers.
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I spent some time in Finland and despite the historical oppression, the anti-Swedish sentiment seemed like a big joke, like how Americans give Canadians shit simply for not being Americans. The two countries are joined at the hip - even the stops on the metro are in both languages. A lot of families I was introduced to had Swedish last names. It's more like a sports team rivalry than anything.
 
Arkeband said:
I spent some time in Finland and despite the historical oppression, the anti-Swedish sentiment seemed like a big joke, like how Americans give Canadians shit simply for not being Americans. The two countries are joined at the hip - even the stops on the metro are in both languages. A lot of families I was introduced to had Swedish last names. It's more like a sports team rivalry than anything.
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Yeah, exactly like that.
 
fvng said:
It's sad that the thread title is perpetuating this distortion and misconception that he's putting out like anti-semetic rhetoric or put out a hate speech video. at best it was in poor taste but to characterize him as a racist is pretty disingenuous
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He is probably not racist but he perpetuates dangerous ideas about what a joke is, and his fanbase is composed mainly of children.

I don't think people would bat an eye if all this had been left behind, but consider the resurgence of white supremacy and xenophobia around the world.

This type of content is unnecessary. And before people go "but free speech" just remember that he's free to act like a shithead, and Disney is free to choose who represents them.
 
fvng said:
It's sad that the thread title is perpetuating this distortion and misconception that he's putting out like anti-semetic rhetoric or put out a hate speech video. at best it was in poor taste but to characterize him as a racist is pretty disingenuous
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the thread title simply says what he did.

He DID put out anti-semitic rhetoric. whether or not he says it's a joke comes after, that's what he did.

There's a really simple solution to keep people from saying you put out anti-semitic material: just don't do it.
 
Corronchilejano said:
This type of content is unnecessary. And before people go "but free speech" just remember that he's free to act like a shithead, and Disney is free to choose who represents them.
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worth noting that youtube didn't pull his videos, and they didn't even pull his ability to run ads and make money.

They just chose not to do business with his dumb ass anymore.
 
rjcc said:
worth noting that youtube didn't pull his videos, and they didn't even pull his ability to run ads and make money.

They just chose not to do business with his dumb ass anymore.
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Exactly he's free to produce whatever content he wants he just can't do it if he wants sponsorship opportunities lined up for him as a part of Disney/Maker. It's no different than EA and Nike dropping Tiger Woods.
 
"Pewdiepie's channel just pretty much red pilled generation Z to hate libtards. The next generation is saved. Thanks Disney, friggin retards."

Is the title of the thread over at T_D. I just can't wrap my head around these words, like I can't imagine someone would write that unironically...
 
animlboogy said:
When your entire "joke" is simply saying something that you know makes people feel bad, with no satirical backbone, no actual joke, no purpose, what you're doing is functionally no different from saying the same thing like you mean it. And as Chan culture has so clearly taught us in the last few years, all you really do is provide cover for actual straight-up ideologues to say the exact same things, except they fucking mean it.

If the full context of your joke is "Death To Jews" because wow, you're not supposed to say that, you've simply done the verbal equivalent of taking your adult dick out on an elementary school bus. Oh, how shocking! There should not be a grown man taking his dick out in front of children! Ha ha ha ha! I can't believe he "went there"! Where are the SJWs now? Can you handle my political incorrectness? L M A O

Now, frankly, I don't give the slightest shit if you want to engage in this kind of vapidity. That's fine, it's a hell of a lot easier than saying something insightful or witty. What I resent is the idea that you want to be taken as seriously as the decent comedians and satirists of the world for doing the verbal equivalent of eating your own feces. No. If your joke is to say something that gets people mad, or reminds them of terrible things, or makes them feel less than human, they're probably going to get mad at you, not want to give you their money, not want to sponsor you, maybe even crack you one across the jaw.

Play in that end of the pool! You aren't entitled to respect for it.
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I'm fucking saving this for future use. Perfect-o.
 
animlboogy said:
When your entire "joke" is simply saying something that you know makes people feel bad, with no satirical backbone, no actual joke, no purpose, what you're doing is functionally no different from saying the same thing like you mean it. And as Chan culture has so clearly taught us in the last few years, all you really do is provide cover for actual straight-up ideologues to say the exact same things, except they fucking mean it.

If the full context of your joke is "Death To Jews" because wow, you're not supposed to say that, you've simply done the verbal equivalent of taking your adult dick out on an elementary school bus. Oh, how shocking! There should not be a grown man taking his dick out in front of children! Ha ha ha ha! I can't believe he "went there"! Where are the SJWs now? Can you handle my political incorrectness? L M A O

Now, frankly, I don't give the slightest shit if you want to engage in this kind of vapidity. That's fine, it's a hell of a lot easier than saying something insightful or witty. What I resent is the idea that you want to be taken as seriously as the decent comedians and satirists of the world for doing the verbal equivalent of eating your own feces. No. If your joke is to say something that gets people mad, or reminds them of terrible things, or makes them feel less than human, they're probably going to get mad at you, not want to give you their money, not want to sponsor you, maybe even crack you one across the jaw.

Play in that end of the pool! You aren't entitled to respect for it.
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Quotin' all day long. Except that with a bonus: taking your dick out in front of school-children is just "lol so random, you can't do this". But Nazi imagery, as "lol so random", is even worse because of actual Neo Nazis in current events.
 
"Walt Disney was a real anti-Semite" was mentioned a lot earlier in the thread(s?), so I felt the need to check it out. Going off Wikipedia:

Disney has been accused of anti-semitism,[193][z] although none of his employees*—*including the animator Art Babbitt, who disliked Disney intensely*—*ever accused him of making anti-semitic slurs or taunts.[195] The Walt Disney Family Museum acknowledges that ethnic stereotypes common to films of the 1930s were included in some early cartoons.[aa] Disney donated regularly to Jewish charities, he was named "1955 Man of the Year" by the B'nai B'rith chapter in Beverly Hills,[196][197] and his studio employed a number of Jews, some of whom were in influential positions.[198][ab] Gabler, the first writer to gain unrestricted access to the Disney archives, concludes that the available evidence did not support accusations of anti-semitism and that Disney was "not [anti-semitic] in the conventional sense that we think of someone as being an anti-Semite". Gabler concludes that "though Walt himself, in my estimation, was not anti-Semitic, nevertheless, he willingly allied himself with people who were anti-Semitic [meaning the Motion Picture Alliance for the Preservation of American Ideals], and that reputation stuck. He was never really able to expunge it throughout his life".[199] Disney distanced himself from the Motion Picture Alliance in the 1950s.[200]
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No intention of playing "gotcha", I just think it's interesting. I've heard this rumour before and never cared enough to check it out - not a big Disney watcher - so I managed to learn something from this, at least.

EDIT: oh, and that's a very good post from animlboogy.
 
Agree with animlboogy

L Thammy said:
"Walt Disney was a real anti-Semite" was mentioned a lot earlier in the thread(s?), so I felt the need to check it out. Going off Wikipedia:

No intention of playing "gotcha", I just think it's interesting. I've heard this rumour before and never cared enough to check it out - not a big Disney watcher - so I managed to learn something from this, at least.

EDIT: oh, and that's a very good post from animlboogy.
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Nah he was just ridiculously anti communist and stupidly sexist.
 
fvng said:
It's sad that the thread title is perpetuating this distortion and misconception that he's putting out like anti-semetic rhetoric or put out a hate speech video. at best it was in poor taste but to characterize him as a racist is pretty disingenuous
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While his "joke" was not clever or well intentioned, it's important to point out that joking about the Nazis is not taboo or illegal. Is Monty Python also anti-Semitic? Are those guys racist because they thought it was funny to dress up as Hitler and ss soldiers and make them look ridiculous?

https://youtu.be/YzRbC7lQ-EQ
 
7DollarHagane said:
While his "joke" was not clever or well intentioned, it's important to point out that joking about the Nazis is not taboo or illegal. Is Monty Python also anti-Semitic? Are those guys racist because they thought it was funny to dress up as Hitler and ss soldiers and make them look ridiculous?

https://youtu.be/YzRbC7lQ-EQ
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The PDP thing has absolutely nothing to do with "parodying Hitler" or Nazis in general. Where are you going with that?
 
This image came across my desk earlier today. I felt it might be relevant.

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Well, that about summarizes it perfectly Pathfinder.
 
I'm not necessarily defending PDP's "jokes" but it's really just meme/internet culture. It's just one big inside joke really. Mainstream news is really gonna know what "subscribe to keemstar" is about.
 
Suikoguy said:
Well, that about summarizes it perfectly Pathfinder.
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Sometimes its impossible to know if a comedian crossed the line until the feedback comes in. Most stand up comics really don't give a shit if they crossed the line because if they had a filter, they probably wouldn't have a career. PewDiePie isn't a standup comedian, but he does try to put out new content each day that he feels people would want to watch. I presume the "what would you do for $5" video wasn't the only video he has released that may have crossed the line, but its the one WSJ and MSM are burning him at the stake for and using as definitive evidence, in their mind, that he's an anti semite. From where I sit, PewDiePie is the victim here, a victim of a crusade by the MSM to destroy the largest figure in non-mainstream media. Its to send a message to other youtubers, Instagram models, and the like that the MSM can take you down if they want to.
 
perfectchaos007 said:
Sometimes its impossible to know if a comedian crossed the line until the feedback comes in. Most stand up comics really don't give a shit if they crossed the line because if they had a filter, they probably wouldn't have a career. PewDiePie isn't a standup comedian, but he does try to put out new content each day that he feels people would want to watch. I presume the "what would you do for $5" video wasn't the only video he has released that may have crossed the line, but its the one WSJ and MSM are burning him at the stake for and using as definitive evidence, in their mind, that he's an anti semite. From where I sit, PewDiePie is the victim here, a victim of a crusade by the MSM to destroy the largest figure in non-mainstream media. Its to send a message to other youtubers, Instagram models, and the like that the MSM can take you down if they want to.
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I don't get why the MSM would give a shit. He is big, but only by YouTube standards.
If you are trying to enter a more comedic realm, and be more "edgy" then perhaps start with safer targets and get some practice in.

I'll postfix this with a note though: I've not watched much of PDP's content, so I can't say if he took this route or not. If he did, then he just sucks at it.
 
7DollarHagane said:
While his "joke" was not clever or well intentioned, it's important to point out that joking about the Nazis is not taboo or illegal. Is Monty Python also anti-Semitic? Are those guys racist because they thought it was funny to dress up as Hitler and ss soldiers and make them look ridiculous?

https://youtu.be/YzRbC7lQ-EQ
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When cartman dresses up as hitler for Halloween it's seen as anti Semitic? (Rehtorical).

H3h3 shows the context, this has blown up for no good reason.
 
This is not different from child stars like Miley Cyrus breaking their old image to pursuing a more mature identity. If that's what they want, fine but they shouldn't expect their child oriented sponsors to still supported their new image, specifically if it bring controversy.

Edit: Also people calling the entire Disney company hypocrites for the belief a man that died many years ago hold is ridiculous, specifically if that man had the decency(or common sense) to not let those belief spill in his work.
 
animlboogy said:
This is the cultural clash in comedy right now in a nutshell. It isn't about "political correctness" vs. "clean comedy" or something.
Actual clean comics like Dan Nainan are 10x creepier than the most descriptive Louis C.K. pedophilia joke.

When your entire "joke" is simply saying something that you know makes people feel bad, with no satirical backbone, no actual joke, no purpose, what you're doing is functionally no different from saying the same thing like you mean it. And as Chan culture has so clearly taught us in the last few years, all you really do is provide cover for actual straight-up ideologues to say the exact same things, except they fucking mean it.

If the full context of your joke is "Death To Jews" because wow, you're not supposed to say that, you've simply done the verbal equivalent of taking your adult dick out on an elementary school bus. Oh, how shocking! There should not be a grown man taking his dick out in front of children! Ha ha ha ha! I can't believe he "went there"! Where are the SJWs now? Can you handle my political incorrectness? L M A O

Now, frankly, I don't give the slightest shit if you want to engage in this kind of vapidity. That's fine, it's a hell of a lot easier than saying something insightful or witty. What I resent is the idea that you want to be taken as seriously as the decent comedians and satirists of the world for doing the verbal equivalent of eating your own feces. No. If your joke is to say something that gets people mad, or reminds them of terrible things, or makes them feel less than human, they're probably going to get mad at you, not want to give you their money, not want to sponsor you, maybe even crack you one across the jaw.

Play in that end of the pool! You aren't entitled to respect for it.
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This is an excellent post. Quoting just so more people see it.
 
nynt9 said:
That one, was him showing videos of things people created in his game. He was saying "please don't do this" when showing that image. It's disingenuous to mention that one. The rest is legit though.
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Why even show it then? Showing that someone made a swastika and saying please don't do this only brings attention to it.
 
SaniOYOYOY said:
probably get swallowed a couple pages ago. and CIMMW that jew joke actually intended for kemstar as what said in h3h3 vids? can someone give explanation on keemstar and pdp
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I just watched that video by h3h3. I admit I commented before understanding the context. It is worse seeing the other videos taken out of context to show how purposeful it was to do that.
 
7DollarHagane said:
While his "joke" was not clever or well intentioned, it's important to point out that joking about the Nazis is not taboo or illegal. Is Monty Python also anti-Semitic? Are those guys racist because they thought it was funny to dress up as Hitler and ss soldiers and make them look ridiculous?

https://youtu.be/YzRbC7lQ-EQ
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Paying people to hold signs saying "death to jews" is the same as Monty Python mocking Hitler/SS? Are you serious?
 
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
Paying people to hold signs saying "death to jews" is the same as Monty Python mocking Hitler/SS? Are you serious?
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No because the context of the joke was not "death to all jews" statement. There were supposed to put subscribe to kemstar as well. The joke is at the expense of the person.

It is like the difference between putting out a statement that says "Christmas sucks!" and "Christmas sucks!, signed the Grinch". The tone is totally different between the two because the first is seeming like it is coming from the person who put it forth and the second is referencing a character that is defined by hating Christmas.

Edit: i didn't know about kemstar until I looked it up. Now what I was able to see about kemstar makes the context of the joke understandable.
 
perfectchaos007 said:
From where I sit, PewDiePie is the victim here, a victim of a crusade by the MSM to destroy the largest figure in non-mainstream media. Its to send a message to other youtubers, Instagram models, and the like that the MSM can take you down if they want to.
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oh lord in heaven

are you serious with this shit?
 
SaniOYOYOY said:
probably get swallowed a couple pages ago. and CIMMW that jew joke actually intended for kemstar as what said in h3h3 vids? can someone give explanation on keemstar and pdp
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Context: Parody of Drama channels, comparing drama channels to nazis. He even photoshops Scarce's logo (a drama channel) into Hitler's armband. He's calling Drama Channels Nazis and characterising Trump supporters as Nazis too.

The thrust of the WSJ story is that he's using nazi imagery and anti-semitic jokes, the section includes PDP little drama alert with his bro fist and an Image of hitler with the theme from Evangelion.


Context: This was after the fiver video. He was talking about how the indian dudes and the jesus dude were banned after his video. He was puzzled about the ban of the jesus dude: he didn't make the jesus dude say anything offensive in his video. He then checks the videos of the jesus dude and discovers that someone had made the jesus dude say the phrase "Hitler did nothing wrong", so discovering the actual reason for the ban of the jesus dude. He further clarifies that he wasn't the person that paid the Jesus dude to say that.

This part has PDP explaining he was not responsible for the Jesus "Hitler did nothing wrong," in the WSJ video.


Context: Jokes about the press calling him a nazi, by stopping the video in a motion where he lowers his arm and you can freeze-frame to make it look like the nazi salute. The words "Nazi confirmed" appear on screen and sieg heil sound plays, to mock how people continuously take him out of context to label him as nazi.

The WSJ video has PDP explaining that the press is reporting "that's how the press is reporting this,as if that's what I was saying or some shit." Note that bit is started with WSJ text over PDP face including ' PDP fired back at the media for mischaracterizing him.'

If you think the WSJ is taking things out of context based on these misrepresentations, you've not read the piece or actually watched the WSJ video.
 
I mean YTers for the longest time wanted to be taken seriously by media outlets and so on. Now they are, and some like PDP are honest to God celebrities. You're being reported on by many outlets now, your words and actions hold weight now. You're being monitored by everyone now for anything you do or say.

This is the corporate world of entertainment you strived to be a part of.
 
perfectchaos007 said:
Sometimes its impossible to know if a comedian crossed the line until the feedback comes in. Most stand up comics really don't give a shit if they crossed the line because if they had a filter, they probably wouldn't have a career. PewDiePie isn't a standup comedian, but he does try to put out new content each day that he feels people would want to watch. I presume the "what would you do for $5" video wasn't the only video he has released that may have crossed the line, but its the one WSJ and MSM are burning him at the stake for and using as definitive evidence, in their mind, that he's an anti semite. From where I sit, PewDiePie is the victim here, a victim of a crusade by the MSM to destroy the largest figure in non-mainstream media. Its to send a message to other youtubers, Instagram models, and the like that the MSM can take you down if they want to.
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I'm trying to wrap my head around this and I just can't. It's so ridiculous that I feel like it has to be sarcasm but then I look at the picture of Ron Paul and I'm like nah maybe he's serious with that shit
 
rjcc said:
the thread title simply says what he did.

He DID put out anti-semitic rhetoric. whether or not he says it's a joke comes after, that's what he did.

There's a really simple solution to keep people from saying you put out anti-semitic material: just don't do it.
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Hello? This is Hailun! said:
Tl ;dr

Ironic racism is still racism


>putting out like anti-semetic rhetoric or put out a hate speech video.


TIL "death to Jews" isn't anti Semitic
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Pathfinder said:
This image came across my desk earlier today. I felt it might be relevant.

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all that needs to be said, really
and damn if polygon didn't put out a good write-up about it today as well

perfectchaos007 said:
From where I sit, PewDiePie is the victim here, a victim of a crusade by the MSM to destroy the largest figure in non-mainstream media. Its to send a message to other youtubers, Instagram models, and the like that the MSM can take you down if they want to.
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you really have a great avatar for this hot take
 
Pathfinder said:
This image came across my desk earlier today. I felt it might be relevant.

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So if the criticism is that his attempts at satire or comedy failed utterly (which I would agree with completely) that still does not make him an anti-Semite or racist. It possibly emboldens or empowers those who are as a result of its failure to be effective satire.

Offensive: yes.
Not funny: yes.
Not clever: yes.
Poorly executed: yes.

Proof of racism/anti-Semitism of its creator: no

I would argue this is on par with all the rape jokeyness he did on his channel for a long time though. Equally dumb and offensive.
 
7DollarHagane said:
Proof of racism/anti-Semitism of its creator: no
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I dont see anyone in the thread calling him that. People are saying that an antisemitic statement is still an antisemetic statement, no matter in which context and it might influence viewers, especially in a climate where stuff like "Hitler did nothing wrong" became a harmless meme....
 
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