Yes. This always gets forgotten for some reason.
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Today in DCEU: Warner wants Mel Gibson directing Suicide Squad 2
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Yes. This always gets forgotten for some reason.
No but since you want to go that route, do you have any studies linking racist outbursts to alcoholism?
First, he's chairman of Marvel, not CEO. It's fun because he insists on the title CEO. Second, Marvel Studios now operates outside of his control, thanks to Feige. He went above Pearlmutter and got direct control of the Studios under Disney.
On topic: Fuck Mel Gibson.
PanSexual_Peacock
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Maybe he has apologized, just not publicly. If he wasn't a celebrity, would we care whether he publicly apologized or not? Especially since people think their bullshit anyway.
Sweeney Tom
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For someone who sure isn't defending a racist, you sure are doing a lot of hypotheticals to support what he did and that he got away with it.
PanSexual_Peacock
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I didn't say alcohol makes you racist. I'm saying it makes you say things out of character that don't reflect who you actually are. especially if you're trying to hurt someone on a personal level.
You know they don't
Laughing Banana
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So clear this up for me: the money that Marvel gets from the movies, none of it goes to him as the CEO--or chairman, even though every mention on him in Google said that he's Marvel's CEO--then?
Since we're check off all the points for shit that he shouldn't be held accountable for because he was in a bad place, what do you want to do with the beating and threatening his girlfriend box?
Alcohol doesn't make you say shit that you aren't already processing. It's not mind control juice for fucks sake.
Sorry, that's nonsense.
First of all, we can't head down this path of "fuck every company who happens to have A Trump supporter near the top." The majority of large companies would fall under that umbrella.
Perlmutter is a bad guy. He was pushed out of Marvel Studios because of that, while a large number of Marvel Studios actors and producers are known to be far more liberal. So no, I'm not going to not support a movie because a damn Trump supporter might benefit from it financially.
Second, I'm sorry but Mel Gibson directing a movie is a direct link between him and that movie. A CEO at the parent company of a production studio who isn't actually involved in said production studio -- who was pushed out BECAUSE he's a bad guy and the other people involved aren't bad guys? That's not the same thing and you know it.
In closing: no, voting for Trump is in absolutely no way the same thing as threatening a woman, calling black men "n******," and wishing rape on someone. So no, I wouldn't feel anywhere remotely as awful seeing a movie because a Trump supporter happens to work at the company and might gain from it financially than I would seeing a movie directed by a known racist and abuser.
PanSexual_Peacock
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Where have I supported him? All I presented was that maybe this one incident, which is an outlier form him doesn't reflect who he actually is. All I'm saying is that maybe he's changed. I'm not trying to defend is actions.
Sweeney Tom
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I also would like to know thoughts about the wishing rape on people part, in addition to this.
He had multiple incidents in his life where he was said some fuck shit
He said the mother of his children deserved to be beaten
Let. Him. Apologize. In. Public.
God damn it's not that complicated
Time for a live action Batman and Batgirl like in The Killing Joke.
PanSexual_Peacock
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I didn't say he shouldn't be held accountable. He's already been held accountable. He was shunned from his industry for almost a decade. What other forms of justice do you want done to him?
Yes but who cares? The nature of his job is that he wants people who don't know him to give him money for his work. So if he is defined by something he said which has been made a matter of public record, it is his responsibility to set it straight. If not, then people will continue to judge him for it and he has to just deal with it.
Laughing Banana
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Strangely enough, Oksana Grigorieva actually dropped her domestic violence suit against him, although it's clear that he actually did commit violence against her.
Sure we can. That's why we have #grabyourwallet movement.
As for the rest, well, if that would make you feel better, I am not stopping you, go you.
What did he mean by this?
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What in the world
Fucking apologize holy shit
It doesn't make me "feel better." It simply isn't the same thing.
Mel Gibson beat a woman.
One incident? Dude is a multiple offender for racist, misogynistic shit. He lords his wealth over people in a threatening manner. Between the tapes and the arrest alone, that motherfucker has racked up a lifetime of unpaid penance.
Tell me again how he's entitled to my dollars for his services? I'm not the kind of person who's moral fiber will live or die on my desire for a product, nor do I conduct my business with people who are that toxic. Supporting his films after his shit job of promoting himself as a reformed resource after the fact isn't my problem. That's all on him.
No idea if he gets any money, but he's still far removed from the production.
Also,
If this ain't ALWAYS the bullshit people say when someone says something racist, or sexist, or homophobic, or transphoobic, or fucking vile
PanSexual_Peacock
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If he actually apologized in public, would it make a difference? If this thready is any indication of the publics view, an apology would probably fall on deaf ears. He would just be accused of saving face.
He got $590 million worth of Disney shares from the Marvel acquisition. So sadly, even though he turned down a seat on their board and does not have any role in production of Marvel Studios films, we should still be aware that he definitely profits from any success Disney has. That's just business unfortunately.
Absolutely.
It's been seven years without an actual apology
That's why it would fall on goddamn deaf ears
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Trump also isn't a huge supporter of women, if you noticed, so to that end I would immediately classify anyone supporting him as also not a huge supporter of women
Right, so it's just naive thinking then if someone actually think he won't get any benefit from the success of Marvel movies.
AuthenticM
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shit, this would be the antithesis to the original movie. Mel knows how to fucking write and direct, lol.
I am very okay with this, btw.
I am very okay with this, btw.
PanSexual_Peacock
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Would it really make a difference to you, because I highly doubt it. You seem to have your mind made up on him as a person. Which is fine, because I understand the things he's said is unforgivable for some. Me personally, I just don't get the impression that he's a horrible human being. Maybe I should.
RyougaSaotome
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If it doesn't, then that's the hole he dug for himself and everyone calling him a racist/wife beater/piece of shit is totally within their rights to call him that and he's gotta deal with it.
And let's be real. It's been seven fucking years.
Gordon Shumway
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LMAO..Love it!
Not for me. He would only be appologizing because he saw people took offence. It would still make him a racist women beating anti-Semitic twat.
PanSexual_Peacock
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I doubt it. The incident was too long ago and I doubt many people even remember what he said.
He's somehow able to use his anecdotal stories to prove that non-racists say racist shit while drunk but no one else is allowed to say the opposite without having to be around people 24/7.
Sweeney Tom
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I'd be fine with people supporting a racist piece of shit's work if they were fine admitting that's what they're doing. Here you only see spinning of how actually maybe possibly we are the racist ones because we are haranguing the white man that hasn't apologized in 7 years for being awful and being fine with being awful
As for the useless apology thing, as bad as waiting 7 years to apologize for something is, it's a start. If he had any remorse or sense of what he did was wrong, it'd be a step forward. His sympathizers here want me thinking he's changed? Not till he takes a step forward.
People make mistakes. His silence is a deafening reminder he doesn't think he's made one.
Obliterator
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Mel Gibson is really talented so in a way I would love this.
That said he has done some scumbag shit in his life and as far as I'm aware has never publicly owned up to it. I believe people can change and I hope he has, but he probably should come out and openly apologize and denounce the fucked up shit in his history. Say he has learned a lot and become a better person.
That said he has done some scumbag shit in his life and as far as I'm aware has never publicly owned up to it. I believe people can change and I hope he has, but he probably should come out and openly apologize and denounce the fucked up shit in his history. Say he has learned a lot and become a better person.
PanSexual_Peacock
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No. I'm far too young. And black
Tangled Up in Blue
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No one who isn't actually racist just casually drops the n-word during a phone call.
Chie Satonaka
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just words bro
Future Foundation
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I dunno if this gets added to the OP or not, but Variety says there are a few other candidates for the chair: Ruben Fleischer (Zombieland), Daniel Espinosa (Safe House), and Jonathan Levine (Warm Bodies).
Gordon Shumway
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And yet folks still wanna fucking cape for this dude!
Yep, right on the fucking money.
PanSexual_Peacock
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I never said you weren't allowed to say the opposite. Obviously based on you anecdotes, you've seen one side and I've seen another. Which only prove all cases are different.
Like when a white guy walked up to my face and said "alright n*gger" then said he was only joking...
Can't believe some are siding with Gibson.
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