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Today in DCEU: Warner wants Mel Gibson directing Suicide Squad 2

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PanSexual_Peacock said:
I never said you weren't allowed to say the opposite. Obviously based on you anecdotes, you've seen one side and I've seen another. Which only prove all cases are different.
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Then why the fuck have you constantly been asking if someone has been around a friend 24/7 to make sure they aren't terrible people?
 
Well he is a damn good director. But Suicide Squad was so bad that I don't know if even Mel can save it. I'd still watch it cause at the very least it won't be any worse.
 
I don't boycott Mel Gibson films. I think he does interesting work and approaches interesting subject matter. But I'm also fully aware that he outed himself like a dumbfuck, and his solution after that was to apologize for his racism towards jews, and not for anything else, and then go off the radar hoping everyone forgot about it. Now he's back. Since I still play Dragon Quest games and enjoy the music despite thinking the composer is a massive pile of human waste, I'm okay with watch a Gibson film. But if anyone feels strongly about it and wants to distance themselves from his works, I fully stand by them. Why should anyone defend a guy who said terrible things when you don't even know him? Do you also know all his celebrity friends who say he's a nice guy? No? Then who gives a fuck right?
 
duckroll said:
I don't boycott Mel Gibson films. I think he does interesting work and approaches interesting subject matter. But I'm also fully aware that he outed himself like a dumbfuck, and his solution after that was to apologize for his racism towards jews, and not for anything else, and then go off the radar hoping everyone forgot about it. Now he's back. Since I still play Dragon Quest games and enjoy the music despite thinking the composer is a massive pile of human waste, I'm okay with watch a Gibson film. But if anyone feels strongly about it and wants to distance themselves from his works, I fully stand by them. Why should anyone defend a guy who said terrible things when you don't even know him? Do you also know all his celebrity friends who say he's a nice guy? No? Then who gives a fuck right?
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Agreed.
 
duckroll said:
I don't boycott Mel Gibson films. I think he does interesting work and approaches interesting subject matter. But I'm also fully aware that he outed himself like a dumbfuck, and his solution after that was to apologize for his racism towards jews, and not for anything else, and then go off the radar hoping everyone forgot about it. Now he's back. Since I still play Dragon Quest games and enjoy the music despite thinking the composer is a massive pile of human waste, I'm okay with watch a Gibson film. But if anyone feels strongly about it and wants to distance themselves from his works, I fully stand by them. Why should anyone defend a guy who said terrible things when you don't even know him? Do you also know all his celebrity friends who say he's a nice guy? No? Then who gives a fuck right?
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This is how I feel. Fuck Mel Gibson but I'm not going to let that stop me from enjoying Mad Max. But I'm not going to tell others that they should just get over it, they've got every right to be upset with the dude and they can express their distaste however they please.
 
Laughing Banana said:
Trump also isn't a huge supporter of women, if you noticed, so to that end I would immediately classify anyone supporting him as also not a huge supporter of women :P
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I don't understand what you're doing at this point.

Why are we talking about Trump? He doesn't work at a movie studio.
 
Man I'm not really a superhero movie guy, don't follow the news and only really see a few of these kinda movies but damn....

What the fuck is D.C. doing lately?

Seems really directionless and struggling.
 
Killer Queen said:
This is how I feel. Fuck Mel Gibson but I'm not going to let that stop me from enjoying Mad Max. But I'm not going to tell others that they should just get over it, they've got every right to be upset with the dude and they can express their distaste however they please.
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And all that can be said is it is appreciated..ain't hurting anyone.
 
duckroll said:
I don't boycott Mel Gibson films. I think he does interesting work and approaches interesting subject matter. But I'm also fully aware that he outed himself like a dumbfuck, and his solution after that was to apologize for his racism towards jews, and not for anything else, and then go off the radar hoping everyone forgot about it. Now he's back. Since I still play Dragon Quest games and enjoy the music despite thinking the composer is a massive pile of human waste, I'm okay with watch a Gibson film. But if anyone feels strongly about it and wants to distance themselves from his works, I fully stand by them. Why should anyone defend a guy who said terrible things when you don't even know him? Do you also know all his celebrity friends who say he's a nice guy? No? Then who gives a fuck right?
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I agree with everything you said. Even if that might be hard to believe. I still don't think that I was really defending Gibson per se. More so the idea that people change and that outside influences can have negative affects on peoples behaviour. If people don't want to support him, than that's their business and they have every right to feel that way. Especially since he hasn't officially apologized. Hope I didn't offend you or anyone else.
 
This will save the DC cinematic universe!

Also, didn't Mel say he dislikes comic book movies, because he finds them pointlessly violent or something?
 
Bronx-Man said:
Harley better stay away from Croc and Deadshot.
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ZeoVGM said:
I don't understand what you're doing at this point.

Why are we talking about Trump? He doesn't work at a movie studio.
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Well, it goes back wayyyyy back to your first post that I quoted.

Tho I suppose this is probably getting off-topic? So okay, let's just stop.
 
LionPride said:
Did my friend call someone a nigger? Did they say they hope someone gets raped? Did they say any other fuck shit?

They on they own

Friends ain't to help you when you severely fuck up, they to call you on ya shit


I am literally talking about the ones I have dealt with

Alcohol doesn't make you a fucking racist
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Yep.

Fuck Mel Gibson.
 
I don't think people really understand just how vile "raped by a pack of niggers" is.

That's not "I've had a few beers and am saying things that aren't appropriate, ha ha, give me shit tomorrow". Like, you had to think about that. That's not something you just make up off the top of your head. You've had those sorts of thoughts before. Many times. It's who you are.

Support Mel if you want to, but don't be surprised if the affected groups of that kind of language give you the side eye and think you're not on their team.
 
Gosh darn thought this would be a family friendly Mel Gibson topic!

Chie Satonaka said:
I don't think people really understand just how vile "raped by a pack of niggers" is.

That's not "I've had a few beers and am saying things that aren't appropriate, ha ha, give me shit tomorrow". Like, you had to think about that. That's not something you just make up off the top of your head. You've had those sorts of thoughts before. Many times. It's who you are.

Support Mel if you want to, but don't be surprised if the affected groups of that kind of language give you the side eye and think you're not on their team.
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Yep he is a nasty person that gets no respect from me ever.
 
He's not likely to recreate the things that made SS sell. He'll create a better movie without doubt, but who would know if it'd be more successful than SS.
 
KahooTs said:
He's not likely to recreate the things that made SS sell. He'll create a better movie without doubt, but who would know if it'd be more successful than SS.
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At this point I think maybe many in DC would rather have a critically successful movie than a commercially one, if they are forced to choose, lol.
 
Chie Satonaka said:
I don't think people really understand just how vile "raped by a pack of niggers" is.

That's not "I've had a few beers and am saying things that aren't appropriate, ha ha, give me shit tomorrow". Like, you had to think about that. That's not something you just make up off the top of your head. You've had those sorts of thoughts before. Many times. It's who you are.

Support Mel if you want to, but don't be surprised if the affected groups of that kind of language give you the side eye and think you're not on their team.
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Yup..we ain't talking some young kid either. This a grown ass man that knows what the fuck he's saying. Why the world needs to coddle him is beyond me.."Good movies!" So the fuck what?
 
I just want a take a minute and point out that a lot of people in this thread are focused on the racist things Gibson has has said, but what about the racist things he has actually done? The Passion of the Christ, which was a lifelong dream project for Gibson, is one of the most breathtakingly antisemitic films to ever get a mainstream release. The movie's POV is that the Jews literally killed Jesus and that the Romans were just the weapon they chose to use. This is a traditional line of antisemitic thinking going back for centuries and was most famously used by the Nazis as a justification for the Holocaust.

In the movie, Pontius Pilate is portrayed as a decent and honorable man who is conflicted about having to put Jesus to death: he doesn't really want to do it, but the rabbis force his hand by making him choose between doing what he knows is morally right (sparing Jesus) and upholding his duty as Roman prefect (proceeding with the execution in accordance with Roman laws). Pilate begrudgingly agrees to go through with the execution, but he is shown to be racked with guilt afterwards (including collapsing in his wife's arms and sobbing - WTF?!), while the rabbis are portrayed throughout the movie as bloodthirsty monsters who will stop at nothing to see Jesus dead. In other words, the Roman prefect was a good dude who wanted to do the right thing, but those dirty scheming Jews forced him to commit the ultimate crime.

None of this is supported by the scriptures, mind you, these are all flourishes that Gibson decided needed to be in the movie. And not only did he put this shit about Pilate's anguish in the movie, he made it a focal point, a pivotal scene that the entire movie hinges on. Basically, Gibson is saying that we should all blame the Jews for the crucifixion. And since this movie went on the become this highest grossing R-rated film of all time, and since Gibson and company crowed about the lengths they went to be as historically accurate as possible, this is the version of the story that millions of people around the world now believe. Gibson literally made the world a more racist place with this movie.

The fact that this movie was a dream project for Gibson (so much so that he put up his own money and stepped outside of the studio system to make it and distribute it), and that antisemitism is the spin he decided to put on it, should be deeply troubling. We can talk about the terrible things Gibson has said over the years, but the level of effort he put into making a racist film speaks even louder than his words ever could, which is why I will never believe any apology from him until he denounces and disowns this movie entirely.
 
Laughing Banana said:
At this point I think maybe many in DC would rather have a critically successful movie than a commercially one, if they are forced to choose, lol.
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WAIT
WAIT
WAIT

You think a company would rather have critic acclaim than commercial success?

Is that why we're getting a Dredd sequel and Suicide Squad is dead?
 
Lol, this would be something to see.

Tangled Up in Blue said:
I just want a take a minute and point out that a lot of people in this thread are focused on the racist things Gibson has has said, but what about the racist things he has actually done? The Passion of the Christ, which was a lifelong dream project for Gibson, is one of the most breathtakingly antisemitic films to ever get a mainstream release. The movie's POV is that the Jews literally killed Jesus and that the Romans were just the weapon they chose to use. This is a traditional line of antisemitic thinking going back for centuries and was most famously used by the Nazis as a justification for the Holocaust.

In the movie, Pontius Pilate is portrayed as a decent and honorable man who is conflicted about having to put Jesus to death: he doesn't really want to do it, but the rabbis force his hand by making him choose between doing what he knows is morally right (sparing Jesus) and upholding his duty as Roman prefect (proceeding with the execution in accordance with Roman laws). Pilate begrudgingly agrees to go through with the execution, but he is shown to be racked with guilt afterwards (including collapsing in his wife's arms and sobbing - WTF?!), while the rabbis are portrayed throughout the movie as bloodthirsty monsters who will stop at nothing to see Jesus dead. In other words, the Roman prefect was a good dude who wanted to do the right thing, but those dirty scheming Jews forced him to commit the ultimate crime.

None of this is supported by the scriptures, mind you, these are all flourishes that Gibson decided needed to be in the movie. And not only did he put this shit about Pilate's anguish in the movie, he made it a focal point, a pivotal scene that the entire movie hinges on. Basically, Gibson is saying that we should all blame the Jews for the crucifixion. And since this movie went on the become this highest grossing R-rated film of all time, and since Gibson and company crowed about the lengths they went to be as historically accurate as possible, this is the version of the story that millions of people around the world now believe. Gibson literally made the world a more racist place with this movie.

The fact that this movie was a dream project for Gibson (so much so that he put up his own money and stepped outside of the studio system to make it and distribute it), and that antisemitism is the spin he decided to put on it, should be deeply troubling. We can talk about the terrible things Gibson has said over the years, but the level of effort he put into making a racist film speaks even louder than his words ever could, which is why I will never believe any apology from him until he denounces and disowns this movie entirely.
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Good post. It's a shame such a talented man is so corrupted by hate.
 
duckroll said:
Are you sure? I dunno about that.
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Penguin said:
WAIT
WAIT
WAIT

You think a company would rather have critic acclaim than commercial success?

Is that why we're getting a Dredd sequel and Suicide Squad is dead?
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Hahaha, well, yea maybe not but the whole story about the staff reshuffling or the various reshoots and now we have all the Affleck thing suggest to me that they are incredibly desperate for their movies to be considered at least on par with Marvel critically.

Also Dredd is overrated
 
Tangled Up in Blue said:
I just want a take a minute and point out that a lot of people in this thread are focused on the racist things Gibson has has said, but what about the racist things he has actually done? The Passion of the Christ, which was a lifelong dream project for Gibson, is one of the most breathtakingly antisemitic films to ever get a mainstream release. The movie's POV is that the Jews literally killed Jesus and that the Romans were just the weapon they chose to use. This is a traditional line of antisemitic thinking going back for centuries and was most famously used by the Nazis as a justification for the Holocaust.

In the movie, Pontius Pilate is portrayed as a decent and honorable man who is conflicted about having to put Jesus to death: he doesn't really want to do it, but the rabbis force his hand by making him choose between doing what he knows is morally right (sparing Jesus) and upholding his duty as Roman prefect (proceeding with the execution in accordance with Roman laws). Pilate begrudgingly agrees to go through with the execution, but he is shown to be racked with guilt afterwards (including collapsing in his wife's arms and sobbing - WTF?!), while the rabbis are portrayed throughout the movie as bloodthirsty monsters who will stop at nothing to see Jesus dead. In other words, the Roman prefect was a good dude who wanted to do the right thing, but those dirty scheming Jews forced him to commit the ultimate crime.

None of this is supported by the scriptures, mind you, these are all flourishes that Gibson decided needed to be in the movie. And not only did he put this shit about Pilate's anguish in the movie, he made it a focal point, a pivotal scene that the entire movie hinges on. Basically, Gibson is saying that we should all blame the Jews for the crucifixion. And since this movie went on the become this highest grossing R-rated film of all time, and since Gibson and company crowed about the lengths they went to be as historically accurate as possible, this is the version of the story that millions of people around the world now believe. Gibson literally made the world a more racist place with this movie.

The fact that this movie was a dream project for Gibson (so much so that he put up his own money and stepped outside of the studio system to make it and distribute it), and that antisemitism is the spin he decided to put on it, should be deeply troubling. We can talk about the terrible things Gibson has said over the years, but the level of effort he put into making a racist film speaks even louder than his words ever could, which is why I will never believe any apology from him until he denounces and disowns this movie entirely.
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I've never seen the Passion, but holy SHIT.

He's lower than fucking filth.
 
Stinkles said:
As crazy as this thread got, the craziest part for me was finding out suicide squad made three quarters of a billion dollars.
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And that is without a China release. It could have done even more.

But yea movie was massive success even being the weakest and worst DCEU film thus far.
 
Laughing Banana said:
Hahaha, well, yea maybe not but the whole story about the staff reshuffling or the various reshoots and now we have all the Affleck thing suggest to me that they are incredibly desperate for their movies to be considered at least on par with Marvel critically.

Also Dredd is overrated
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Don't get me wrong

No one wants to make a bad movie

But if Warner had to choose between a bad movie that makes money or a great movie that underperforms....
 
Laughing Banana said:
Hahaha, well, yea maybe not but the whole story about the staff reshuffling or the various reshoots and now we have all the Affleck thing suggest to me that they are incredibly desperate for their movies to be considered at least on par with Marvel critically.

Also Dredd is overrated
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Again. Squad made money, and people loved Will as Deadshot and Margot as Harley. IMO the characters weren't the problem. A sequel will still make money and SS is not totally wrapped up into the DCEU that it would work.
 
Tangled Up in Blue said:
None of this is supported by the scriptures, mind you, these are all flourishes that Gibson decided needed to be in the movie. And not only did he put this shit about Pilate's anguish in the movie, he made it a focal point, a pivotal scene that the entire movie hinges on. Basically, Gibson is saying that we should all blame the Jews for the crucifixion. And since this movie went on the become this highest grossing R-rated film of all time, and since Gibson and company crowed about the lengths they went to be as historically accurate as possible, this is the version of the story that millions of people around the world now believe. Gibson literally made the world a more racist place with this movie.
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I actually want to address this a little. I don't think this is something that should be blamed entirely on Gibson here. It's true that he made Pilate's guilt and regret a big component of character study in the film, but it doesn't spawn from nothing. In scripture Pilate was in fact unwilling to execute Jesus. When Jesus proclaimed that his authority came from heaven, scripture states that Pilate became very anxious to free Jesus. It was only because he was more afraid of the mob and that there was cultural pressure where the Jews were allowed a certain amount of autonomy to ruling on their own people historically, that he eventually relented, and he went on to tell the people that he washes his hands of this and that his blood is on their hands. There is also evidence of his guilt in how the inscription he orders on the cross states that Jesus is "King of the Jews" and not "This man said he was king of the Jews".

Modern Christians, especially Catholics, do have a historical culture of finding the Jews of the time uniquely to blame for the death of Christ. Does this encourage racism? Yes. Is it inherently a negative thing? Absolutely. But it's a complex matter and blaming this as something Gibson made up on his own is not fair. It is a product of the history of the Church. He expands on what most people already believe is part of Pilate's character. Which is why it is so openly accepted and embraced as an interesting read, rather than a racist expression.
 
I fucking hated the first but I would check this out in theaters if he did it

He would have to dictate the tone of the movie tho. Would be weird if he just was director for hire

The other candidates are fucking garbage. Wouldn't be surprised if it was one of them instead
 
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