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Have to attack the media so neo nazi/alt right "alt-facts" can stand unchallenged
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lying_press
Disney cuts ties with PewDiePie after he posts antisemetic videos
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Lügenpresse......
Have to attack the media so neo nazi/alt right "alt-facts" can stand unchallenged
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lying_press
Messofanego
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This image came across my desk earlier today. I felt it might be relevant.
But the poster isn't calling him an anti-semite or showing proof of racism. "Lest it be mistaken for and contribute to that which it intends to criticise" means it emboldens anti-semitism when satire of this kind is done badly. Nazis are cheering PDP on (google "daily stormer pewdiepie"). Alt-right/neo-nazi people love him now.
Psycho_Mantis
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Its actually sad how the media purposely removed the context of these old joke segments Pewdiepie made in an effort to get clicks.
One of the pieces was directly taking the mick out of the media calling him a Nazi, highlighting how they easily misrepresent him from a title and yet they take this segment and use it to misrepresent him. Amazing.
Pewdiepie is a good dude and its nice to see so much so support for him across youtube and among his fanbase.
One of the pieces was directly taking the mick out of the media calling him a Nazi, highlighting how they easily misrepresent him from a title and yet they take this segment and use it to misrepresent him. Amazing.
Pewdiepie is a good dude and its nice to see so much so support for him across youtube and among his fanbase.
A rich guy using money to make fun of people from less favourable upbringings by paying a fiver to have them hold signs with anti-Semitic "joke" (which could be compared to things like burning money in front of a homeless person just for the giggles) and then having a deluge of people defending him for being a good person.
As much as I try I can't feel sorry for him.
As much as I try I can't feel sorry for him.
GhostWriter24
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After watching many of his videos, and reading this thread, I honestly can't fucking believe he got away with it this long.
Anyone who thinks this guy is a boon to society, and can enrich our culture, belongs in a mental ward. He's a talentless hack that doesn't deserve a dime save for the absurd viewers who, after all this time, still click. Just stop.
Anyone who thinks this guy is a boon to society, and can enrich our culture, belongs in a mental ward. He's a talentless hack that doesn't deserve a dime save for the absurd viewers who, after all this time, still click. Just stop.
GAF A60-Rim A
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This makes absolutely no sense.
He wasn't being "ironic".
He was satirising how desperate people are for money... how they will stoop to abject racial hatred just to get the $$$.
But it's just that -- It's socio-political commentary.
As I said earlier, it was probably somewhat irresponsible of him to not include some CLEAR disclaimers or brief explanations in the videos in question, regarding his satirical intentions, especially given the impressionable nature of his young audiences (and notwithstanding the fact that he's been wrongfully accused of things like this before and should have known better).
And also, Disney has every right to treat Pew how they like as a consequence.
That said, I believe the Wall Street Journal and other "respectable" publications really ought to issue an apology and a correction for completely mischaracterising the situation, lest they wish their reputation to be sullied, especially in a seismically delicate era of "fake news" and general disinformation.
You know, I made this point in the other thread, but just to get it down here:
PDP makes money off his videos. So he was, by your logic, also "stoop[ing] to abject racial hatred just to get the $$$."
ClosingADoor
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Yes, we need an apology for the poor millionaire that has people hold up antisemitic signs for $5 because it is "social commentary"... This is on the same level as the "social experiments" all those prank channels do. It's bullshit and needs to be called out for what it is: enabling this disgusting behavior.
They will never apologize because they achieved what they wanted. But hopefully smart people won't ever read them again.
ClosingADoor
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What's with the conspiracy theories in this thread about the media out to get PewDiePie?
The complaints about how the media treats him unfairly because of "clickbait" is also hilarious considering the subject.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
People trying to portray this as some deep satire are just sad. He just did some shit he thought was funny
Might have something to do with literally taking things out of context.
Go read the earlier posts blaming it on "the Jews" for this getting attention and that should make things make more sense.
Ah, yes. Hopefully people are smart enough to never read a highly respected outlet because Pewdiepie and friends said they are total meanies. It's all Fake News anyway! The headline should have said "Disney Severs Ties With YouTube Star PewDiePie After Funny Anti-Semitic Posts"!
H3H3 and co.'s behaviour in regards to this incident is absolutely inexcusable and pathetic. Because they never leave their PDP/H3H3/IDubbz/Keemstar-bubble they never ever seem to get past the "It's just a joke"-argument, not understanding that you can't wave away everything you do with that excuse.
MonorailCat
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Rich guy makes fun of desperate poor people.
In order to make more money for himself.
The only socio-political commentary here is that he is an asshole.
Probably not a racist/anti-semite, but no sympathy from me. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
ClosingADoor
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In The Wall Street Journal video? This one? https://www.wsj.com/articles/disney...pewdiepie-after-anti-semitic-posts-1487034533
Beause I don't see anything taken out of context. I see a video with pieces from PewDiePies own content, with explanations of what happened. The guy removed his own videos also, so I take it he agrees he did something wrong in them.
Gravy Boat
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I asked this in the other thread before it got locked and never got an answer, but why are people acting like the two guys who made the video are poor or suffering? They run a youtube channel called Fiverr Funny Guys where they charge for stuff like this, then post the videos. They're not being made fun of, nor is there any evidence that their upbringing was 'less favourable'. Are people assuming that because they're from India, they're automatically poor and PDP was just taking advantage over them?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8fucBzAL-0
If this video is sincere, then these guys truly didn't know what they were saying and Fiverr has closed their account. PDP did take advantage of their lack of knowledge of the subject, while he was fully aware of the kind of message he was sending.
It's only socio-political commentary about Pewdiepie himself.
The joke is that an entitled Swedish millionaire is willing to abuse and humiliate people who live in abject poverty for a few cheap laughs, thereby showing a total lack of empathy, common sense or decency. It's like saying bumfights was a clever social commentary.
Fuck him. The nazi angle is just spice on top of this turd cake that is PDP himself.
You mean the video where they start it by showing the video where he uses a uniform or when he uses a image of Hitler as interlude, not providing any of the context behind it at all?
Yep.
"Haha, did you know he can hire a cleaning service too!? Can you believe that, other people will scrub his toilets, just for money! How pathetic!"
Amen. The worst thing about in this case "so called" black humor is that there are several YouTubers, which have tons of subs, who base their "comedy" around nothing else than jokes about blacks being slaves, insulting people to the worst posible degree and tasteless Holocaust jokes. There are some YouTubers in the german YT landscape who have more than a million subs and their only type of humor is literally what I just described. Well, one of them did a video two years ago when one of the biggest train driver unions went on strike for multiple weeks. He called every train driver who participated in the strikes as a cunt and said that every train driver should be deported to Auschwitz on the same trains that were used to deport jews.
After lots of heat he brushed it off with the same "excuse" that every one of those assholes uses: "It's black comedy. It's satirical." Except that there is NOTHING satirical about calling someone a cunt and calling for deportation, especially here, where that topic is extremely difficult to talk about. Karma at least got the best of him as his video got reported to the police for hate speech. He got convicted of hate speech and had to pay 15.000, while also getting eight months on prabation. Yet the worst thing about it is that his mostly younger fanbase eats those excuses up. There have been so many cases where I've read "It's black comedy" when it obviously wasn't that it's getting absolutely crazy. And his fans called the charges for hate speech ridiculous. Go figure.
I laugh at sick shit very often, at least when I see the intentions of the writers or comedians behind the dark joke, like with South Park, but shit like what PewDiePie did is unfunny and just plain dumb.
Gravy Boat
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He even says in the video 'We are completely responsible for this mistake', which they are in part. If you're offering a service where you'll do anything for $5, it's kind of on you to make sure that you understand what you're agreeing to do, especially if you're going to post it on youtube.
I'm not trying to shift the blame onto these guys, at least not entirely, but they're not an innocent party here. But my original point was, I've seen several people refer to these guys as 'poor' and 'victims' but I'm struggling to see where that's coming from.
Edit: Their account has also since been unbanned and PDP donated a bunch of money to them.
ClosingADoor
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Isn't that his content? And doesn't it also show PewDiePie's explanation of what he did and how he views it?
Claude Augario
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Every time I pop in here there's always a variation of:
- Stop labeling him anti-Semitic, [person that never said that]!!!!
- The lying media is totally slandering him by purposefully mischaracterizing the situation! (no elaboration)
- He was being satirical! S-A-T-I-R-I-C-A-L! You can't criticize comedy!
- But what about South Park/Monty Python/etc. ???
It's interesting to watch the defense force fail to assemble a good enough defense after so many tries.
- Stop labeling him anti-Semitic, [person that never said that]!!!!
- The lying media is totally slandering him by purposefully mischaracterizing the situation! (no elaboration)
- He was being satirical! S-A-T-I-R-I-C-A-L! You can't criticize comedy!
- But what about South Park/Monty Python/etc. ???
It's interesting to watch the defense force fail to assemble a good enough defense after so many tries.
But it doesn't actually matter if you carry anti-semitism in your soul, it matters if you put anti-semitism into the world. This angle is a weak defense that totally misses the criticism.
It doesn't show any explanations or context behind those clips, no.
Dunno, seems you like to misrepresent stuff too. People have absolutely called him anti-Semitic and a Nazi in this thread. And yes, some outlets have been mischaracterizing the situation by taking things out of context several times. I've even made a post where I provide the context behind each of the clips that were talked about, context that was failed to be introduced by some of those outlets.
And no, it's not any different than jokes in South Park. PewDiePie is just shit at it.
MonorailCat
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The equivalent to the video would rather be:
Hire a cleaning service, shit on the floor in front of him/her and film the cleanup while making fun of them and then publish it on youtube for $$$.
No. It's good of them to say they take responsibility, but PDP is the one who paid them to do this, and he fully understood what he was telling them to do. If they didn't understand the power of their words, they are not responsible for their effect.
If I met someone who didn't speak English, and told him that "fuck you" meant "thank you," it's not his fault if his words insult people.
I mean... that's exactly what you're doing in your first paragraph.
It's not like they will do "anything for $5". They just make funny clips. If you look at the videos they make, they are all in good faith. Happy birthdays, Merry chrismases, silly dances, etc. There's no malice in any of their videos. PDP abused the fact that these people don't know enough English to know what the phrase means. There's no way to excuse him of that.
Their account being unbanned is an acknowledgement by Fiverr that these guys weren't to blame for this fuck up. PDP giving them money, on the other hand... I suspect it's more of a tactic to save face on his part than any actual regret.
KojiKnight
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Rich guy pays poor people to hold anti-Semitic sign to prove poor people will do anything for money does NOT sound better...
The thing is though, it's their choice to be in that line of work. PDP paid for a service which people provide and he honestly gave people free advertisement. Have you see how the Jesus guy has blown up after the same video? He came out and said he had over 500 requests at the same time. If the Indians weren't stupid and had just declined his request for writing something anti-semitic on a sign, they would have had a ton of requests by now.
They can only blame themselves.
What does less favourable upbringings mean? Are you talking about just the banned guys, or anyone on the site?
" Its just a joke" was this non argument even mentioned in h3h3's video? I dont watch it again because work, but he made some good points about pdp s crazy misrepresentation in the wsj video.
Yo, stop lying about the h3h3 vids content man(because even if he mentions this, he goes further than that)
All this righteous hate is making me sad
Hope PDP either learns from this and frames his "social commentary" better to not get alleged to use 4chanwarfare tactics or he goes all out on the crazy train and produces his next 7 Videos together with filthy Frank, killing Hitlers remaining 6 evil horcruxes and one about true love
For fuck's sake...
I mean, it's no secret that the media has been using PewDiePie's name to get clicks for years. Before it was mostly how much he was getting paid doing nothing but playing video games. Then it was Youtube drama, then a joke taken literally like deleting the channel. This is like a godsend to them.
If you want to defend a couple of people who were racist for money, at least come up with an argument.
No kidding, the defence force is reaching like Mr. Fantastic right now.
I didn't think I'd really have to explain things like how 5 dollars has a different value and buying power in different countries and how different countries have different standards of living and so on.
I imagine the defence force is quite young, because I simply can't see why they'd bother otherwise.
PDP is the lowest, most idiotic form of comedy. He's charismatic and hard working in a sense, but he's going as low as a comedian can go to get some laughs.
I didn't think I'd really have to explain things like how 5 dollars has a different value and buying power in different countries and how different countries have different standards of living and so on.
I imagine the defence force is quite young, because I simply can't see why they'd bother otherwise.
PDP is the lowest, most idiotic form of comedy. He's charismatic and hard working in a sense, but he's going as low as a comedian can go to get some laughs.
They were unbanned after PewDiePie made the appeal for them.
They have also blown up in popularity. They even started charging double the money for their main kind of video to keep up with the demand.
Gravy Boat
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I just don't see it that way. If someone came up to me and said 'I'll give you $5 to hold up this Spanish sign on youtube', I'd stick that into Google Translate or ask online what it meant before doing it. This is a service they offer, it wasn't a bribe or anything.
"We'll do stuff for $5, just ask us"
'Will you do this?'
"Sure"
They are as responsible as PDP is. Mistakes were made all round, but they're not innocent victims here that were taken advantage of.
Again how do you know they're poor? Where does this keep coming from? I haven't read anything that indicates they are poor.
I'm not defending PDP here, I think it was a stupid thing to do and the backlash was expected. I'm also just no a fan of his videos in general. Just not sure why people are so quick to completely absolve the Fiverr Funny Guys.
KojiKnight
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"It's free advertisement so more better off people can take advantage of them!" Great line to draw in the sand.
Majukun
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This image came across my desk earlier today. I felt it might be relevant.
not sure i agree..some of the most effective satire is the now that strikes without presenting itself as such beforehand.
of course this is not the case,it was just an unfunny joke...
although in america there's a school of stand-up comedy based basically ons aying the worst thing immaginable and shrugged it off as jokes...I imagine the difference here being the youtuber's usual demographic.
You're defending PDP, who was "racist for money."
You're also making the assumption that these guys knew exactly what they were saying.
ClosingADoor
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Later on in the video he explains about his jokes. If using one piece of his own content that is not explicitly explained enough to brand all media as dishonest and clickbait, then no content is good anymore.
And PewDiePie has not gotten anything out of that attention by having his name be put in mainstream headlines?
So they should be happy about all of this? Well, if negative attention is good anyway, then why are PewDiePie fans complaining about that attention for him?
That's great, I'm glad they're back. It was pretty obvious this would be a good thing for them if they were unbanned.
They're making money. They choose to do this. Are you making the argument that anyone who does these messages is being taken advantage of?
So because I'm saying that this is their chosen line of work, I'm defending PDP? It doesn't have to be one or the other, dude.
They knew what they said, you could tell. Why are you so intent on defending them?
His only argument is "context!!!". And the context is "it's just a joke!!!". So, yes. That's what H3H3 is saying. His entire argument is "WSJ is saying Pewdiepie is an Anit-semite, but he isn't, because it was a joke!", again not realizing that you don't have to be a confident anti-semite to say or do anti-semitic shit, while also excusing anything racist or anti-semitic you say or do as fine if it's just meant as a joke.
Gravy Boat
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Also why does the fact that PDP is rich matter? Anyone with $5 to spare could do this, the wealth of either party is irrelevant.
If you aren't defending PDP, then I take that back.
Then the question becomes, why are you so intent on attacking them? If your answer is just that "you could tell" they fully understood what they were saying, then we are at an impasse, because I don't know that for sure.
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